MS Sasuke vs 7th Gate Gai

[Dannie]

Gai maybe?

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[Apêx1]

Kirin best feat is destroying v3 susanoo raikage is more durable than that so he tanks.
Wrong KCM FRS = Kirin

Actually Kirin is calced at about 3x the power of FRS, Raikage is the one who lacks feats to suggest he can survive it so your assertion that the burden of proof is on Kirin is stupid.

 

[Unorthodox]

Kidgamer finally breaks his silence.

 

[Curse Mark]

The Hirudora Gai used against Madara has not only been proven to be smaller by that fancy picture measuring ya'll rainmen know how to do but Gai was already clearly falling apart when he used it- blood flowing out of his mouth/on his face and he's literally being held up by a tentacle

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually Kirin is calced at about 3x the power of FRS, Raikage is the one who lacks feats to suggest he can survive it so your assertion that the burden of proof is on Kirin is stupid.

Where and who put it 3x the power of FRS?

 

[EZQ]

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Sasuke spends 0 energy from standing on the hawk. Unless you can give me reason to prove 6G Gai can outlast the contract time of the Hawk then there's absolutely nothing to debate here. And 6th Gate dodges Amaterasu? L0l wot? Please get me something which gives the slightest shred of indication that he is fast enough to do so/has the reaction to do so.

But if Sasuke stands on his hawk without doing anything then it's a moot point. None of them would be wasting chakra and the battle would just prolongue.

Gai with the 5th or 6th gate intercepted Madara's TSB (which was going at full speed). Not even kakashi's kamui could outspeed that TSB, and Gai intercepted it. So Gai on the 6th gate is fast enough to dodge amaterasu.

Yes, Asa Kujaku is a viable attack versus the Hawk. But 6G isn't sufficient enough to dodge Amaterasu, Sasuke would one shot him. Sasuke can also set up his v2 Susano to tank the damage and protect the hawk. Keep in mind Sasuke's v2 Susano has shown to reach large sizes in the past

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and the hand itself is huge

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meaning two hands encompass the Hawk with ease. Then there's also the fact that Gai could get sniped with an arrow if Sasuke decides to use his v3 instead in the midst of Asa Kujaku. Being blinded by lack of LoS there's no way Gai could do shit to dodge it.

I only disagree on Gai not being fast enough to dodge amaterasu. I agree on the hawk thing, i totally forgot about it.

Anyways what about this scenario?

Sasuke flies on the hawk with his v2 susano or v3 activated, and Gai just puts down the hawk with Hirudora. Will Sasuke react fast enough to put v4 on time? Can the hawk carry a v4 susano?

 

[shelke]

Gai demolished Madara's V3 Susano'o with Hirudora, Madara lost his control over Wood Dragon & Hachibi could free itself which means Madara's Edo Body got destroyed as well.

No. He lost control of the wood dragon because he got blasted back. There is ZERO scan to support this fan fiction.

The Hirudora Gai used against Madara has not only been proven to be smaller by that fancy picture measuring ya'll rainmen know how to do but Gai was already clearly falling apart when he used it- blood flowing out of his mouth/on his face and he's literally being held up by a tentacle

Yeah, because that requires chakra to perform. Oh wait ... And I love the debators drawing tiny little, pointless lines to prove sizes. It's so adorable.

Kirin best feat is destroying v3 susanoo raikage is more durable than that so he tanks.
Wrong KCM FRS = Kirin

Show me the image where Susano'o was shown. I'll wait.

P.s: FRS = Kirin?

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HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Apêx1]

Where and who put it 3x the power of FRS?

ODB calcs which are the only way we can possibly determine the power of their attacks. Anyone who claims they are equals are just saying so out of ignorance, the most accurate way (but not exact) way of determining which is stronger is through calcs, whether people would like to accept calcs or not. Kirin is 9.44 whereas FRS is 3.8. Many different calcs but these are currently the most accepted ones. I haven't seen any unrectified calcs which put FRS at a relatively comparable level to Kirin though.

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But if Sasuke stands on his hawk without doing anything then it's a moot point. None of them would be wasting chakra and the battle would just prolongue.

Gai with the 5th or 6th gate intercepted Madara's TSB (which was going at full speed). Not even kakashi's kamui could outspeed that TSB, and Gai intercepted it. So Gai on the 6th gate is fast enough to dodge amaterasu.

Yet Gai would need to maintain 7th Gate in order to ever be capable of dodging Amaterasu.
What the actual fuk? First of all, Gai never intercepted a TSB, I'd like a scan of this.
Not to mention, if you are actually trying to claim Gai can dodge Kamui when it's cast on him then I only feel bad for you. He has great movement speed, but you are giving him reaction feats which he does not have.

I only disagree on Gai not being fast enough to dodge amaterasu. I agree on the hawk thing, i totally forgot about it.

But you just said it was a moot point lol? I'm confused now.

Anyways what about this scenario?

Sasuke flies on the hawk with his v2 susano or v3 activated, and Gai just puts down the hawk with Hirudora. Will Sasuke react fast enough to put v4 on time? Can the hawk carry a v4 susano?

Wrong again. Sasuke is on his Hawk with no Susano. If Gai uses Hirudora when Sasuke is 40 meters in the air Sasuke can EASILY jump away, activate v4 Susano and un-summon the Hawk. I'm not sure how you're trying to assert Hirudora is super fast when it has absolutely no great speed feats. Especially when Sasuke can notice the hand seals with his Sharingan and with full intel, react from beforehand.

The Hirudora Gai used against Madara has not only been proven to be smaller by that fancy picture measuring ya'll rainmen know how to do but Gai was already clearly falling apart when he used it- blood flowing out of his mouth/on his face and he's literally being held up by a tentacle

If anything, Gai's Hirudora was shown to be the same size as when he used it versus Madara against Kisame here [

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]. There's only that one scan which makes it seem much larger then it actually is, probably an inconsistency. Doesn't even matter though, because its best feat comes from the small one and not the 'huge' one, so we can't give it better feats from the time it was shown to be weaker.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Hirudora that Gai used against Madara seemed to be already compressed. Just look at the one vs. Kisame when it compresses, and then look at the one used against Madara.

 

[Beans2]

Apex, you cannot expect me to take that calc seriously. Stating that's the only way to gauge it's power is wrong. Kirin's best feat is destroying V3 Susanoo and FRS can do that too by feats. I'll elaborate if needed.

 

[Apêx1]

The Hirudora that Gai used against Madara seemed to be already compressed. Just look at the one vs. Kisame when it compresses, and then look at the one used against Madara.

Gai's looks pretty compressed her then, no? [

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Apex, you cannot expect me to take that calc seriously. Stating that's the only way to gauge it's power is wrong. Kirin's best feat is destroying V3 Susanoo and FRS can do that too by feats. I'll elaborate if needed.

But it is. Your argument is basically if TBB only destroyed a Ribcage Susano but has also destroyed a mountain while it was at it, then TBB is only capable of destroying a Ribcage Susano. It being its best feat is besides the point since it's obviously capable of much more.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gai's looks pretty compressed her then, no? [

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But it is. Your argument is basically if TBB only destroyed a Ribcage Susano but has also destroyed a mountain while it was at it, then TBB is only capable of destroying a Ribcage Susano. It being its best feat is besides the point since it's obviously capable of much more.

Nah. A few pages later in the next chapter it goes through it's compression stage.

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is Hirudora post compression.

 

[shelke]

Gai dodges Amaterasu? Wow ...

 

[Apêx1]

Nah. A few pages later in the next chapter it goes through it's compression stage.

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is Hirudora post compression.

Oh, I see what you mean now.

 

[Beans2]

Gai's looks pretty compressed her then, no? [

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But it is. Your argument is basically if TBB only destroyed a Ribcage Susano but has also destroyed a mountain while it was at it, then TBB is only capable of destroying a Ribcage Susano. It being its best feat is besides the point since it's obviously capable of much more.

This is where you're wrong. If Kirin could do more than that, it would have destroyed Susanoo and killed the user inside. But it didn't, because Itachi wa unharmed.

 

[Xlad]

Nah. A few pages later in the next chapter it goes through it's compression stage.

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is Hirudora post compression.

I actually didn't catch that panel. :lol It would actually prove Hirudora being able to take down V3 Susanoo then.

 

[Lord Tywin]

The Hirudora that Gai used against Madara seemed to be already compressed. Just look at the one vs. Kisame when it compresses, and then look at the one used against Madara.

Are you saying a smaller Hirudora is stronger?

 

[Haizaki]

Gai puts his head up genjutsu finds a purpose.

1. He doesn't need to
2. If he ever does that would be in Gates
3. Gai can look up and still avoid eye contact like Ay managed to do...Even though we know he doesn't use Gai's style of fighting.

A build up that is mostly nonexistent

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add the fact Amaterasu can dwarf humans in size

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Meaning a long ranged Hirudora gets turned into more flames. Why would Sasuke used amaterasu while in v4 or on 7th gate gai for the matter the only time he uses amaterasu is when gai is in 6 gates or when he's on his hawk and Gai tries to fire him down.

So? What is this supposed to show? The fact that the blood already started dripping to prove my point? The fact that this doesn't change the fact that it requires build up as seen with Obito when he was focusing Chakra to his left eye? Bottom left

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. Slow webs won't hype it being fast enough to counter AT. Especially against someone like Gai who can valve his sight with his speed. Then again:

1. EMS Sasuke's feat 2. Edo Itachi's feat because we fully know MS Sasuke dropped V2 once he resorted to

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(Don't tell me about him being weak in before due to the Raikage fight because he got healed by Karan (Middle panel

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)....Every time we've seen the usual MS Sasuke use it there's a back lash...There are even times he closes his eyes. You must be an idiot to ask me the bold.

1. He never uses it in Base because Gai is too fast for him. He gets blitz once he misses..That's if he gets the chance to do so when Gai can counter. Gai can enter the 7th instantly and counter act.

2. If he uses it in other forms asides V4, he gets obliterated since Gai would counter with AT.


Should I tell you forreal what completely destroys your argument? The fact that you just agreed that he doesn't use it in V4(I also proved that he dropped Susano'o in V2 let alone V4 while using Amaterasu). So now if Sasuke doesn't use it in V4 , how would he take Gai down who can easily dodge his other attacks in lower versions of Gates while this version is out and just outlast him? If Sasuke goes lower, he'll be destroyed by Hirudora. Plus I don't even see this guy using it in V3 if really he dropped it in V2 lol. Assuming he can(Even though Manga suggested otherwise), then Gai dodges it since he'll see V3 and activate the 7th.

Lol I'm going to pretend like I didn't see you mention the Hawk(Poor Argument). Pure nonsense...He uses his Hawk which isn't faster than Gai can kick up or rather cover the distance. Which ever way.

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Plus he has to summon it? How would he get to the top so fast? What would Gai be doing this period? Smh weak argument.

Dumbest post in a while all base off the premise that he will try to attack a man who he know can dodged everything in his arsenal without even breaking a sweat.

My post is nowhere near as dumb as you look, sound or type on the computer Lol.

Gai goes 7 gates Sasuke puts up his v4 and gai definitely gets outlasted especially since he never used 7th gate longer than a single attack now add the fact that Itachi after having a his high level susanoo being destroyed, casting multiple amaterasu's, Tsukuyomi broke, and being jagged in the leg, Was able to hold v4 susanoo for chapters while destroying a boss summoning and Orochimaru. Sasuke who has better reserves definitely outlast if gai plans to stay in gates read above about if he uses Hirudora and what will happen.

The fight states Gai starts in the 7th Gate. Though let's assume he doesn't...Gai can arguable enter the 7th Gate and act faster than Sauske can activate V4 in his MS state. Considering this feat he showed here

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Gai could open the gates fast enough and use hiruodora before Naruto was stabbed despite being restrained and Madara's sword was already in motion before Gai could open and use AT. Then again, Sasuke has to see Gai activate the 7th before he himself acts.

Lol the bold is jokes. Gai first of all battled this war going on and off the gates multiple times? This is crazy to be a joke

Not to mention even before the war arc, he opened the 6th gate and used Asakujaku before he used Hirudora against Kisame.(This was before the war and he was able to fight Kisame)

Came in already in the gates when he forced Obito to materialize

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Opened the 6th gates after that

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, closed it

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, opened it again and used Asakujaku

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..Opened it yet again

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and showed no signs of being exhausted since he battled Obito shortly after with his Shoshuga..Not to mention he then opened the 7th and still used Hirudora when Madara came.

I'm not even talking about what he did while opening the 8th gates yet which is far more taxing

He was already weakened

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but came in the Gates to save Kakashi in the 5th or 6th...Then he opened the 7th and battled Madara while using AT. Then what makes this jokes is the fight that he used the 8th after all this, used multiple EE and then NM. 2 techniques way above Hirudora? Smh

Itachi never ever held it as long as that. Itachi used that version for a chapter or less in his sick form, where did you get "chapters" from? Gai used this version for time. Plus speak to Sasuke who questioned how Itachi managed to pull this up

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Literally only happen once or twice and those we're his first amaterasu usages

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Weak ass post...That's EMS, a stronger form. We all know that removes the side effect as seen in the Manga..MS Sasuke showed much more blood so stop this point of yours. Besides, this doesn't mean Gai won't see the blood.

Blood not even half way down his cheek nb4 gates auro blows it off gai still takes some insane damage especially if casted at his face or legs blinding him or slowing him down.

Once again, I'm going to ask you to read Draegod's post.

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. Read and understand...Plus Ay shouldn't be able to tolerate Pain like Gai based on what this guy has shown. Yet Ay was still intact and able to fight with his hands burned. Even Gai managed to fight with continuous burns on his hands while in the Gates

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. Obviously not as hot but still a good feat considering he was also taking Pain in the Gates and he has shown more than Ay in terms of tolerating Pain.

Madara's v3 literally has shown no feat to suggest what your saying the difference in their susanoo power comes from v4 and above so that line is nonsense at its finest. Shitted on the hirudora arguments.

Are you serious? Susano'o is a manifestation of one's chakra? Madara was hyped to be born with the strongest chakra the Uchiha ever saw. Pretty sure he even had mixed Asura and Indra's chakra before his death

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so that possibly can be factored in when you consider the V3 Gai destroyed(Possibly a point). Overall he should be stronger than Sasuke who was shittin his pants was Tobirama let loose of his chakra which should be weaker than Madara's.

Tell that to Nagato and obito when amaterasu catches the bare skin or limb its seems to burn pretty fast especially when gai will think he has a chance to dodge it.

Tell that to Drae's post and what I dropped. Even though we know Nagato lasted for the whole ttime Itachi and Naruto where talking about Shisui's eyes. Even though we know Obito had clothes on and they weren't even burned from what I recall at least.

Gai being in constant pain in the gates = Breaking genjutsu is funny as shit since in 6 gates hell or even 7th gai was not showing sighs of being tore down by the pain untill after he had done the jutsu talking about (7th gate) 6 gates gai never complained about pain so no the pain in the gates is not enough to break the genjutsu try again sir.

Use your common sense lil kid...Gai is in constant pain means he'll be broken out. Why? because damage is constantly done to his body and it continues to crumble in the sense that more and more damage is done. This would obviously break him out of it with ease

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His muscles even ripped despite him already being in the gate before then against Gaara. More and more pain is added and that breaks you out of it easily. Then you go ahead and show how stupid you are...Gai doesn't show signs of being hurt mean he wasn't hurt? Jesus how dumb this is. So Gai being able to maintain himself means the effect of the Gates won't take place? Makes 0 sense but of course coming from a stupid individual, one shouldn't be surprised. Not to mention Gai fought in the 8th with broken bones previously and never said until he was hurt? Gai stated he needs to get used to the Pain to prove he goes through this even though doesn't necessarily have to show it.

Then this fool says the 3rd gate and they always trying to make me look out to be the fool tsk.

Lol what a moron but then again, I have no time to waste like i just did. V4 gets outlasted in a bad case and Gai waits to a weaker level and just destroys it. Plus the fact that this is MS Sasuke and I have given more than enough reasons why exactly he won't be fighting with other massive techniques in this. Then again I can even argue Gai can use 3 AT's considering his War Arc feats which completely shits on the previous feats. More than 1 EE and NM which is far far stronger than AT and he used this in a more taxing Gate despite using Hirudora before.

Plus I dealt with this argument of the 3rd Gate..Don't repeat it with that bad response.

 

[EZQ]

Yet Gai would need to maintain 7th Gate in order to ever be capable of dodging Amaterasu.
What the actual fuk? First of all, Gai never intercepted a TSB, I'd like a scan of this.
Not to mention, if you are actually trying to claim Gai can dodge Kamui when it's cast on him then I only feel bad for you. He has great movement speed, but you are giving him reaction feats which he does not have.

Smh i don't feel like posting the scan. He intercepted it to save Kakashi, a few chapters before he opens the 8th gate, remember?
I never said Gai can get out of Kamui. He can just intercept something that is fast enough to outspeed Kamui's warping speed. Intercepting =/= being faster than, but, given the fact that Kamui is leagues above amaterasu in speed, and that Gai's speed was enough to intercept TSB, it leads me to think he can dodge Amaterasu.

But you just said it was a moot point lol? I'm confused now.}

It's moot to say Sasuke stands on his bird without using Amaterasu or susano arrows

Wrong again. Sasuke is on his Hawk with no Susano. If Gai uses Hirudora when Sasuke is 40 meters in the air Sasuke can EASILY jump away, activate v4 Susano and un-summon the Hawk. I'm not sure how you're trying to assert Hirudora is super fast when it has absolutely no great speed feats. Especially when Sasuke can notice the hand seals with his Sharingan and with full intel, react from beforehand.

Why do you assume Gai would use Hirudora from 40m away? He can jump and use his turtle summon as a foot jump like in cannon, and use short range Hirudora like he did against Madara

 

[EZQ]

Gai dodges Amaterasu? Wow ...

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Intercepted a TSB that was fast enough to prevent Kakashi from using Kamui, which is way ffaster than amaterasu. Enjoy yourself