MS Sasuke vs 7th Gate Gai

[EZQ]

Sasuke wins. Once his hawk is present Gai either maintains his 7th Gate while Sasuke isn't using any chakra (attrition), or he goes back to Base and Sasuke one shots him with Amaterasu. Yes, Gates release a large shockwave, just like Shinra Tensei does. Doesn't change the fact that Nagato would've lost an arm and a leg had he not been an Edo in that short duration.



He doesn't need to use any chakra while he's on the hawk. Meanwhile Gai is continuously tearing his body down in 7th Gate.

Gai can just mantain the 6th gate like he did for a long gap of time while fighting the bijuus. With the 6th gate opened, he can keep dodging amaterasu, and if he doesn't spend too much chakra, he could just keep it up, since Sasuke's chakra reserves are just lower than his.

Tho i agree sasuke's chances of winning are large, i completely forgot about his hawk. To bring the hawk down, Gai would need asa kujaku, which would mean, reducing the time of his 6th gate, and that's bad news since once his 6th gate is over he's either forced to use 7th gate or get amaterasu to the face.

I still give it to Gai more times than not since:

1- Gai's duration on the 7th gate if he doesn't use hirudora should be pretty long
2- Once the hawk is taken down with asa kujaku, his only option is to use v4 susano.

Considering the hawk has fallen, and Gai has already wasted one asa kujaku, the battle of attrition starts. Gai with the remaining duration of his 6th gate time + 7th gate duration vs Sasuke's v4 susano time.

Given Gai's performance against the bijuus, showing outstanding stamina, i'll give it to Gai.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Gai can just mantain the 6th gate like he did for a long gap of time while fighting the bijuus. With the 6th gate opened, he can keep dodging amaterasu, and if he doesn't spend too much chakra, he could just keep it up, since Sasuke's chakra reserves are just lower than his.

Tho i agree sasuke's chances of winning are large, i completely forgot about his hawk. To bring the hawk down, Gai would need asa kujaku, which would mean, reducing the time of his 6th gate, and that's bad news since once his 6th gate is over he's either forced to use 7th gate or get amaterasu to the face.

I still give it to Gai more times than not since:

1- Gai's duration on the 7th gate if he doesn't use hirudora should be pretty long
2- Once the hawk is taken down with asa kujaku, his only option is to use v4 susano.

Considering the hawk has fallen, and Gai has already wasted one asa kujaku, the battle of attrition starts. Gai with the remaining duration of his 6th gate time + 7th gate duration vs Sasuke's v4 susano time.

Given Gai's performance against the bijuus, showing outstanding stamina, i'll give it to Gai.

Hawk is useless because :

Gai can open 6 or 7 gate almost instantly and Summoning hawk requires some time and also hawk will be summoned on or near land so Sasuke summons hawk while Gai opens gate at same time and until hawk even thinks about flying away Gai can speed blitz it.

Gai can also use Asakujaku or Hirudora projectiles to shot down hawk.

He Can also use his turtle summoning as "jumping board" like in canon.

hawk is useless and Gai wins by obvious reasons.

 

[Apêx1]

Gai can just mantain the 6th gate like he did for a long gap of time while fighting the bijuus. With the 6th gate opened, he can keep dodging amaterasu, and if he doesn't spend too much chakra, he could just keep it up, since Sasuke's chakra reserves are just lower than his.

?????
Sasuke spends 0 energy from standing on the hawk. Unless you can give me reason to prove 6G Gai can outlast the contract time of the Hawk then there's absolutely nothing to debate here. And 6th Gate dodges Amaterasu? L0l wot? Please get me something which gives the slightest shred of indication that he is fast enough to do so/has the reaction to do so.

Tho i agree sasuke's chances of winning are large, i completely forgot about his hawk. To bring the hawk down, Gai would need asa kujaku, which would mean, reducing the time of his 6th gate, and that's bad news since once his 6th gate is over he's either forced to use 7th gate or get amaterasu to the face.

I still give it to Gai more times than not since:

1- Gai's duration on the 7th gate if he doesn't use hirudora should be pretty long
2- Once the hawk is taken down with asa kujaku, his only option is to use v4 susano.

Considering the hawk has fallen, and Gai has already wasted one asa kujaku, the battle of attrition starts. Gai with the remaining duration of his 6th gate time + 7th gate duration vs Sasuke's v4 susano time.

Given Gai's performance against the bijuus, showing outstanding stamina, i'll give it to Gai.

Yes, Asa Kujaku is a viable attack versus the Hawk. But 6G isn't sufficient enough to dodge Amaterasu, Sasuke would one shot him. Sasuke can also set up his v2 Susano to tank the damage and protect the hawk. Keep in mind Sasuke's v2 Susano has shown to reach large sizes in the past

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meaning two hands encompass the Hawk with ease. Then there's also the fact that Gai could get sniped with an arrow if Sasuke decides to use his v3 instead in the midst of Asa Kujaku. Being blinded by lack of LoS there's no way Gai could do shit to dodge it.

 

[Unorthodox]

Fixed it for ya

when the lame try to fit it.

Hawk is useless because :

Gai can open 6 or 7 gate almost instantly and Summoning hawk requires some time and also hawk will be summoned on or near land so Sasuke summons hawk while Gai opens gate at same time and until hawk even thinks about flying away Gai can speed blitz it.

Gai can also use Asakujaku or Hirudora projectiles to shot down hawk.

He Can also use his turtle summoning as "jumping board" like in canon.

hawk is useless and Gai wins by obvious reasons.

Summonings are way faster than then opening a gates summonings have speed of Coming out while Deidara C0 has already detonated escaping Kamui snipe from point blank range etc. Sasuke could jump and summon his hawk.

Hirudora is shit in the air dodged effortlessly or amaterasu counters it.

Morning peacock is tanked by covering the hawk with susanoo like he did with Kaguya.

Turtle gliding gets his ass shot down by susanoo arrows or roasted with amaterasu.


@Evani,EZQ,Kratos,

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[Red Slayer]

Gai wins IMO

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

when the lame try to fit it.



Summonings are way faster than then opening a gates summonings have speed of Coming out while Deidara C0 has already detonated escaping Kamui snipe from point blank range etc. Sasuke could jump and summon his hawk.

Hirudora is shit in the air dodged effortlessly or amaterasu counters it.

Morning peacock is tanked by covering the hawk with susanoo like he did with Kaguya.

Turtle gliding gets his ass shot down by susanoo arrows or roasted with amaterasu.


@Evani,EZQ,Kratos,

expect a reply at 6pm

stop wanking

 

[Coolest Guy]

All I heard was Hirudora is breaking Susanoo when it couldn't even kill Kisame.

 

[Great Master Minato]

All I heard was Hirudora is breaking Susanoo when it couldn't even kill Kisame.

The thing is, Hirudora already broke Susano'o in canon.

 

[shelke]

Sasuke wins. Bar 8th gate, no gate allows more than one usage of a tech. After that, Gai is done. Gai outlasting Sasuke in Susano'o is preposterous as hell. Gates opening isn't instant. What nonsense. Gai dodging Amaterasu and Genjutsu is fan fiction.

Sasuke summons the hawk and relaxes, then one shots him.

The thing is, Hirudora already broke Susano'o in canon.

Where? I saw no indication that it did.

 

[Tarinth]

?????
Sasuke spends 0 energy from standing on the hawk. Unless you can give me reason to prove 6G Gai can outlast the contract time of the Hawk then there's absolutely nothing to debate here. And 6th Gate dodges Amaterasu? L0l wot? Please get me something which gives the slightest shred of indication that he is fast enough to do so/has the reaction to do so.

The entire hawk argument is pointless. The fight is between 7 Gates Gai and MS Sasuke, not Gai who can go
up to 7 Gates max and MS Sasuke. Thus, this means Gai starts off with 7 Gates already open.
That being the case, Gai can charge straight into MS Sasuke before Sasuke can ever summon the hawk.

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Gai, from around 40 m away, managed to catch Juubi Jin Madara by surprise. Sasuke has
no chance of ever summoning the hawk that quickly. That means right away, Sasuke can't
defend except with susanoo. The battle literally begins with Sasuke getting a Hirudora
to the face, and Sasuke has no feats of instantly creating a v4 Susanoo. He only opens up
a v1 or v2, before the hirudora straight onto the susanoo occurs, which kills Sasuke right there.

Even if we were to assume Gai started off in base, if Gai literally starts off going Gates, the moment he
does, a shockwave is produced that prevents Sasuke from doing anything. As seen in the page
I just showed you, everybody, even Juubi Jin Madara, has to cover their face from the shockwave,
so Sasuke isn't using Amaterasu on him or summoning the hawk in that time. Gai then proceeds
to beat him down the way I just described.

Thus, Sasuke has no way of trying genjutsu or Amaterasu or summoning the hawk on Gai. He simply
gets spanked.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Where? I saw no indication that it did.

Gai demolished Madara's V3 Susano'o with Hirudora, Madara lost his control over Wood Dragon & Hachibi could free itself which means Madara's Edo Body got destroyed as well.

 

[Unorthodox]

The moment Gai goes in 7th gate, it's game over.

Not even close you clown.

Not only Sasuke will not have time to activate anything other than rib cage Susanoo(refer to Raikage vs Sasuke), Gai would outright shit all over Sasuke with anything lower than v4. Even v4 would get destroys by 2 hirudoras.

Itachi Activated a susanoo far stronger than ribcage to survive kirin in less than 1/1000 of a second Sasuke who will see gai burst into his 7th gate which causes an aura V4 susanoo will be activated. You even bringing Ay into the mix is funny af since He had no susanoo higher than ribcage so your point sucks.

Gai is not getting off 2 Hirudora's and 7th gate period the only reason he did not feint and go limp against Kisame is because he held back Hirudora's power immensely (Via it not killing Kisame) isn't funny how the only time he did not feint out is when his Hirudora was at its weakest? 1 Hirudora gives v4 susanoo some cracks that's it gai fails or even slows down amateraus hits that head or susanoo arrow.

No reason to believe Gai can't use two hirudoras in row.

Urm because he never did nor was he in any condition after the fist Hirudora to do anymore so yea my arguments hold much more water.

Inb4 Gai won't use Hirudora right off the bat, when Gai has shown to use Hirudora immediately after he enters 7th gate. Full Intel even makes it easier, since Gai knows he would have easier time killing Sasuke before Sasuke can activate v4. Gai would immediately shunshin behind Sasuke, and kill him with hirudora

Already shitted on.

Yeah but if Sasuke doesn't use v4 off the bat then he eats short range Hirudora to his face. So he must keep v4 to survive, and Gai can keep the 6th gate opened longer.
During the war, the usage of Gai's gates against the bijuus was more impressive than any stamina feat MS sasuke has.

Yes but gai is not firing Hirudora in 6 gates so irrelevant also i addressed the Hirudora blitz in the kratos post read. If gai is not in 7th gate all Sasuke needs to do is have a ribcage susanoo up can gai even dodge amaterasu in 6 gates without eye contact?

Also what is gai to do once he goes 6th gates and Sasuke takes flight on that ass?

1. Genjutsu is hopeless due to a simple reason.

Gai puts his head up genjutsu finds a purpose.

Amaterasu requires build up...Plus I have almost zero reasons to believe Sasuke would attempt this in his V4 due to the massive strain.

A build up that is mostly nonexistent

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Meaning a long ranged Hirudora gets turned into more flames. Why would Sasuke used amaterasu while in v4 or on 7th gate gai for the matter the only time he uses amaterasu is when gai is in 6 gates or when he's on his hawk and Gai tries to fire him down.

Besides Gai can dance in the 7th Gate longer than this guys can fire Amaterasu while in V4. That's even if he gets the opportunity before he's fired at.

Dumbest post in a while all base off the premise that he will try to attack a man who he know can dodged everything in his arsenal without even breaking a sweat.

Gai goes 7 gates Sasuke puts up his v4 and gai definitely gets outlasted especially since he never used 7th gate longer than a single attack now add the fact that Itachi after having a his high level susanoo being destroyed, casting multiple amaterasu's, Tsukuyomi broke, and being jagged in the leg, Was able to hold v4 susanoo for chapters while destroying a boss summoning and Orochimaru. Sasuke who has better reserves definitely outlast if gai plans to stay in gates read above about if he uses Hirudora and what will happen.

Sasuke's eye bleed with blood dripping down. Hinting at Amaterasu.

Literally only happen once or twice and those we're his first amaterasu usages

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Blood not even half way down his cheek nb4 gates auro blows it off gai still takes some insane damage especially if casted at his face or legs blinding him or slowing him down.

Madara's V3 >> Sasuke's..Yet AT destroyed it. At least 2 should completely destroy his V4.

Madara's v3 literally has shown no feat to suggest what your saying the difference in their susanoo power comes from v4 and above so that line is nonsense at its finest. Shitted on the hirudora arguments.

Amaterasu doesn't burn as fast to completely injure Gai before he blows it away..Read Draegod's thread. Either way before Gai blast it off, it's not doing damage.

Tell that to Nagato and obito when amaterasu catches the bare skin or limb its seems to burn pretty fast especially when gai will think he has a chance to dodge it.

Plus the fact that Sasuke cannot build up chakra and release Amaterasu before AT is executed. Nothing else but to say Sasuke loses. Plus if Gai decides to make eye contact, he'll only do this when he has the Gates activated which would constantly break any Genjutsu thrown at him due to constant Pain. That way he can even see Sasuke's eyes bleed if he wants to use Amaterasu and he can power to the 7th. He can probably use the 3rd Gate which takes almost nothing from him and still look at Sasuke's eyes without being affected by the Genjutsu.

Gai being in constant pain in the gates = Breaking genjutsu is funny as shit since in 6 gates hell or even 7th gai was not showing sighs of being tore down by the pain untill after he had done the jutsu talking about (7th gate) 6 gates gai never complained about pain so no the pain in the gates is not enough to break the genjutsu try again sir.

Then this fool says the 3rd gate and they always trying to make me look out to be the fool tsk.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Not even close you clown.

It really is. It would have been game over for Sasuke against Raikage, but Raikage lacks Gai's offensive power.

Itachi Activated a susanoo far stronger than ribcage to survive kirin in less than 1/1000 of a second Sasuke who will see gai burst into his 7th gate which causes an aura V4 susanoo will be activated. You even bringing Ay into the mix is funny af since He had no susanoo higher than ribcage so your point sucks.

Bold is irrelevant since Sasuke can't bring anything higher than v2 before Gai gets behind him. V3 is shat on even if Sasuke manages to bring it out. Sasuke definitely won't bring out v4 before Gai gets behind him.

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With full intel Sasuke knows that he has to bring out V4 the moment Gai enters 7th gate. If Sasuke tries Amaterasu when he sees Gai is entering 7th gate, the shockwave from opening the gate would push Ama away from Gai. This would then let to Gai blitzing the shit out of Sasuke.
If Sasuke doesn't try to use Ama, he still can't pull off V4 before Gai using Hirudora. Either way Gai pastes Sasuke

Gai is not getting off 2 Hirudora's and 7th gate period the only reason he did not feint and go limp against Kisame is because he held back Hirudora's power immensely (Via it not killing Kisame) isn't funny how the only time he did not feint out is when his Hirudora was at its weakest? 1 Hirudora gives v4 susanoo some cracks that's it gai fails or even slows down amateraus hits that head or susanoo arrow.

Bold is once again baseless. Gai used Susanoo busting Hirudora when he was on his ass, all beat up. No reason to believe a fresh Gai can't use two consecutive Hirudoras.

Urm because he never did nor was he in any condition after the fist Hirudora to do anymore so yea my arguments hold much more water.

In all of the fights with 7th gate Gai, he never needed to use a second Hirudora
Vs Kisame, Kisame was already beaten by the first Hirudora. No reason for Gai to use a second one
Vs Edo Madara, Gai didn't need to use a second Hirudora, when threw Susanoo away, and busting it open.

Already shitted on.

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[Xlad]

Gai smacks down here in this matchup.

 

[Unorthodox]

It really is. It would have been game over for Sasuke against Raikage, but Raikage lacks Gai's offensive power.

Kirin GG is all that needs to be said about any Raikage period.

Bold is irrelevant since Sasuke can't bring anything higher than v2 before Gai gets behind him. V3 is shat on even if Sasuke manages to bring it out. Sasuke definitely won't bring out v4 before Gai gets behind him.

Child please full intel means Sasuke is fully aware of Gai abilities. Gai first has to do all this to even enter the gate

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him blitzing Sasuke from 40 meters before he can put up v4 susanoo when opening the 7th gate is not fast is a joke take these cran arguments so where else.

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With full intel Sasuke knows that he has to bring out V4 the moment Gai enters 7th gate. If Sasuke tries Amaterasu when he sees Gai is entering 7th gate, the shockwave from opening the gate would push Ama away from Gai. This would then let to Gai blitzing the shit out of Sasuke.
If Sasuke doesn't try to use Ama, he still can't pull off V4 before Gai using Hirudora. Either way Gai pastes Sasuke

Why would he try to use amaterasu first when defense in his main priority your post are stupidly one sided no wonder you lost every single debate you've been official and casual. Already shitted on the blitzing argument before susanoo is brought up.

Bold is once again baseless. Gai used Susanoo busting Hirudora when he was on his ass, all beat up. No reason to believe a fresh Gai can't use two consecutive Hirudoras.

Gai was fresh on his ass lol he had not made a move since before the mazo was trapped even then gai felts those same effects when he used a much weaker hirudora on Kisame but not immediately this basically means once a Hirudora is used gai will feint and get weak him using Consecutive Hirudora's before passing out even if its for a brief time is canonly impossible add the fact most of the base agrees he cannot use repeated Hirudora's.

The Tired Gai argument is the funniest especially when a healthy gai who used a full powered Hirudora and have not felt the effects does not exist.

In all of the fights with 7th gate Gai, he never needed to use a second Hirudora

Means nothing.

Kisame, Kisame was already beaten by the first Hirudora. No reason for Gai to use a second one

Was far weaker than what Hirudora could actually do meaning gai would not fell the pain right away.

Edo Madara, Gai didn't need to use a second Hirudora, when threw Susanoo away, and busting it open.

Gai was in no condition to do anything so stupidly irrelevant. Put it like this Gai basically sat in Kurama cloak from the time v1 juubi was out until Juubi jin Madara and when he used a Hirudora he passed out like he always do. Add the fact 2 Hirudora's is not enough to take down a v4 Susanoo to began with.

1 Hirudora = V3 susanoo destructive wise
V4 susanoo armor alone is Bigger,Stronger, and Fatter than v3 susanoo
1 Hirudora hits v4 susanoo it gets cracked up at most 2nd Hirudora removes the v4 armor and v3 leaving mostlikely v2 or ribcage worst case scenario the 2nd destroys the rest of the susanoo leaving the user unharmed and 2 Hirudora's which is not possible would definitely have gai ****ed up then he gets gutted with Sasuke's Katana.

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[Beans2]

Kirin GG is all that needs to be said about any Raikage period.

3rd tanks lol

 

[Unorthodox]

3rd tanks lol

When FRS can take out something the size of the hideout then we can talk.

Kirin = CHO FRS in power

 

[Beans2]

When FRS can take out something the size of the hideout then we can talk.

Kirin = CHO FRS in power

Kirin best feat is destroying v3 susanoo raikage is more durable than that so he tanks.
Wrong KCM FRS = Kirin

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kirin GG is all that needs to be said about any Raikage period.

:lol Raikage would have killed Sasuke way before Kirin was prepared if he had any offensive power.

Child please full intel means Sasuke is fully aware of Gai abilities. Gai first has to do all this to even enter the gate

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him blitzing Sasuke from 40 meters before he can put up v4 susanoo when opening the 7th gate is not fast is a joke take these cran arguments so where else.

That's why I gave you the two things Sasuke could only do when Gai opens the 7th gate.
The gate opening is faster than Sasuke making v4. Fact.
And Gai doesn't need to get to point blank range for Hirudora. 10M would more than suffice.

Why would he try to use amaterasu first when defense in his main priority your post are stupidly one sided no wonder you lost every single debate you've been official and casual. Already shitted on the blitzing argument before susanoo is brought up.

smh I gave you two scenarios. And No I haven't lost every single debate I've been in. But let's say I did. :lol you're about to catch this L from this guy.

Gai was fresh on his ass lol he had not made a move since before the mazo was trapped even then gai felts those same effects when he used a much weaker hirudora on Kisame but not immediately this basically means once a Hirudora is used gai will feint and get weak him using Consecutive Hirudora's before passing out even if its for a brief time is canonly impossible add the fact most of the base agrees he cannot use repeated Hirudora's.

I think you got the Tre Mercer syndrome, by reading the manga left to right
Fact #1
Gai was fresh after using a Hirudora against Kisame. Only after he went back to normal he felt the gates' backlash
Fact #2
Gai was beat up when he used Hirudora against Madara.

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And by the majority of the base, do you mean your fellow Sasuke fap buddies?

The Tired Gai argument is the funniest especially when a healthy gai who used a full powered Hirudora and have not felt the effects does not exist.

Gai not feeling the backlash right after using Hirudora

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Being on his toe so much that he could feel a twitch in Kisame's finger

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I'm fully expecting the same tired ass, recycled arguments. Barking "hurr durr, Gai can't use two hirudoras consecutively, durr" without any legit proof.

Means nothing.

It does. Your entire argument over Hirudora is Gai not being able to use 2, because "it's not shown", when the fact is a fresh Gai is more than capable of using two hirudoras consecutively, as he doesn't show any fatigue, until he returns himself back to normal.

Was far weaker than what Hirudora could actually do meaning gai would not fell the pain right away.

:lol look at the size difference between the one Gai used against Madara and the one he used against Kisame. The initial blast against Kisame was huge, but water pressure and GSB reduced its size.

Gai was in no condition to do anything so stupidly irrelevant. Put it like this Gai basically sat in Kurama cloak from the time v1 juubi was out until Juubi jin Madara and when he used a Hirudora he passed out like he always do. Add the fact 2 Hirudora's is not enough to take down a v4 Susanoo to began with.

Refer to the earlier part of my post, where Gai is all on his ass, beat up.

1 Hirudora = V3 susanoo destructive wise
V4 susanoo armor alone is Bigger,Stronger, and Fatter than v3 susanoo
1 Hirudora hits v4 susanoo it gets cracked up at most 2nd Hirudora removes the v4 armor and v3 leaving mostlikely v2 or ribcage worst case scenario the 2nd destroys the rest of the susanoo leaving the user unharmed and 2 Hirudora's which is not possible would definitely have gai ****ed up then he gets gutted with Sasuke's Katana.

Which is absolutely baseless
V1 is a layer of chakra in form of ribs
V2 is another layer of chakra in from of skin
V3 is another layer of chakra
V4 is another layer of chakra

A V3 susanoo sized Hirudora has enough power to remove 3 layers of Susanoo at once. First Hirudora takes away 3 layers of Susanoo, leaving only 1 layer left. The second Hirudora takes away the remaining 1 layer, and shits all over Sasuke.

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[KidGamer65]

Which is absolutely baseless
V1 is a layer of chakra in form of ribs
V2 is another layer of chakra in from of skin
V3 is another layer of chakra
V4 is another layer of chakra

A V3 susanoo sized Hirudora has enough power to remove 3 layers of Susanoo at once. First Hirudora takes away 3 layers of Susanoo, leaving only 1 layer left. The second Hirudora takes away the remaining 1 layer, and shits all over Sasuke.

Terrible logic. As Susanoo increases in level, the durability of each "layer" increases pound for pound and overall since it gets larger and adds more chakra. By your logic, since the Kage bodyguard's combined attack can wreck v1, it should take a layer off V2. Except V2 tanked it with zero damage when Sasuke upgraded.

V4 Susanoo is V3 Susanoo wearing new armor. That armor>>V3 Susanoo in durability. If Gai's Hirudora caps at V3 Susanoo, then normally V4 would only take moderate damage, if at all considering V2 tanked what V1 was destroyed by with zeroo damage. Since Madara's Susanoo is stronger than Sasuke's, V4 might end up taking heavy damage instead of low to moderate. Then the second Hirudora would destroy the rest of the V4 armor and damage V3. Then he'd need a 3rd Hirudora to finish Gai off.

Then there's an argument that Beans made which puts 3rd Raikage equal to V4 Susanoo in durability, and Raikage tanked FRS with no damage despite it having the elemental advantage. I'll find it later, but if that argument is right, then Gai never puts a scratch on V4 Susanoo with Hirudora.