MS Obito in Madara's place against Hashirama

[Fecal Matter]

Hashirama will figure out how Kamui works.Even the likes of Sakura could figure it out after seeing it once.

 

[~Madara Uchiha~]

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This would beat Obito easily.

 

[Sensational]

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They were able to analyze this right away from fighting with him.. With this knowledge alone you could beat Obito.. Hashirama could just over whelm him with lots of wood.. Continuous attacks.. He also has wood clones.. and even if he had Kyuubi Hashirama could do the same to it...

Also Obito can only use Izinagi once.. otherwise he would go totally blind...

Its true that we dont know how smart Hashirama is... But even Naruto can be smart at times.. He did extremely well in the pain fight.. Hashirama has almost the exact same personality as Hashirama so we can infer Hashirama can be smart and serious in battle when he wants to...

You are overrating this Kamui way too much.

And look what happened after words

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He played them for saps, he knew they knew how to counter so he acted like he was gonna follow through
Obito isnt dumb he not gonna be overwhelmed that easily

 

[Lightbringer]

I hope you realise Hashirama is nowhere near Minato in terms of reaction speed and even Minato needed Hiraishin to escape Kamui. What makes Kamui an even more overpowered technique is that while his body is in the other dimension, it can't be sensed. It's only when he becomes tangible again that he can be sensed. Because of that it makes sneaky attacks really easy for someone like Obito and thus difficult to counter in a fight

and how exactly can you prove this?

Hashirama was shown to be skilled enough to predict his opponents movements

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and he's good at analyzing jutsu, even better than Tobirama apparently since he saw a way to break out of Edo Tensei and sense that Orochimaru was made up of mostly his cells

Hashirama's Mokuton clone can possibly fool Obito....I'm not sure whether a regular MS is enough to see through it

Not to mention that Hashirama still has bringer of darkness to blind him

To say one move instantly one-shots anyone is ridiculous, a powerful move doesn't always mean it's an instant win(as we've seen with amaterasu for example and chibaku tensei)

a master with a pebble can still defeat an amateur with a sword

 

[End of Days]

he can just teleport ontop of shinsusenju and fight hashirama there. now that whole technique is useless. this is why kamui is ridiculous interms of hax.

this, he can go through any structure [

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[Bogard]

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They were able to analyze this right away from fighting with him..

Yes they figured out one secret of kamui, but not the real secret of the jutsu. Actually they think that Obito is transparent when he uses the jutsu and that he is untouchable, only touchable when he decides not to be transparent and like Kakashi said, that way of thinking

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. He is not transparent, he simply send parts of body in the other dimension. That's why i've said no one really figured out how his technique works until Kakashi.

Continuous attacks.. He also has wood clones.. and even if he had Kyuubi Hashirama could do the same to it...

Yes but he actually has to find an attack that can push Obito to be intangible to 5minutes in continue and so far i've not seen a jutsu that can push him to stay 5minutes in continue that Hashirama possess. If in just one second, he is tangible again, the process restarts again. Someone like Obito can easily slip thru objects, earth, everything. It's not like Konan who managed to find a place where Obito could not be on earth(to slip away), surround him by billion explosive tags everywhere everytime. Hashirama doesn't possess such a jutsu, such a preparation time, such a location

Also Obito can only use Izinagi once.. otherwise he would go totally blind...

Sure but that one Izanagi last 10minutes, more than enough to find his way to strike Hashirama down

You are overrating this Kamui way too much.

I think you are the one underrating Kamui, not even mentioning the fact that here he also has to worry about the Kyubi's large and powerful attacks

 

[~Madara Uchiha~]

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This dense forest of flowering releases pollen into the area numbing the opponent.

How is Obito going to warp when this happens

 

[Sensational]

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This would beat Obito easily.

Can be beaten by sheer will power

 

[Bogard]

and how exactly can you prove this?

Hashirama was shown to be skilled enough to predict his opponents movements

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and he's good at analyzing jutsu, even better than Tobirama apparently since he saw a way to break out of Edo Tensei and sense that Orochimaru was made up of mostly his cells

Hashirama's Mokuton clone can possibly fool Obito....I'm not sure whether a regular MS is enough to see through it

Not to mention that Hashirama still has bringer of darkness to blind him

To say one move instantly one-shots anyone is ridiculous, a powerful move doesn't always mean it's an instant win(as we've seen with amaterasu for example and chibaku tensei)

a master with a pebble can still defeat an amateur with a sword

Fortunately i even draw a comparison between those same passage a while ago:

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And notice Minato wasn't even there from the start, so he actually had to take time to notice the danger before in that situation, but he still did all that

 

[Kuzan]

Are you kidding me? Nobody can capture Tobi, he is the greatest Escape Artist it took 3 badasses to land a single hit on him. And its essential to have S/T ninjutsu in order to fight Obito on equal terms U_U

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You do know that his power comes from his eyes,if he went blind he could not escape with his Space/Time.

 

[Aertes]

That was a plot hole in the manga, they shouldnt have been able to find him while in the other dimension and not only that but kakashi was the one that warped naruto not obito.

Obito isnt silly enough to warp a clone and even if he does there nothing preventing him from teleporting into the dimension and teleporting the clone somewhere else.

Strength isnt everything in a battle, if one person can no longer fight they the other wins, Obito is the best at that,

Cant beat what you cant touch

Plot hole??You base this assumption in what exactly??
I don't find any plot hole.Obito was in the same place with Naruto and kakashi,he wasn't miles away,how would they not be able to find him in kamui dimension??Kakashi and Obito share the same dimension since they are closr it's only logical to be teleported in the same place in kamuo dimension.
Actually Obito has been shown to wrap his opponents quite often.Madara himself said that he is the only one who could see through Hashi's wood clones,so Hashi could disguise himself so Obito thinks he wrapped him and not a clone.
Obito has been outsmarted by others in the past and honestly I don't think he is very intelligent when it comes to battle tactics.

 

[FourthLegacy]

OBito needs to at least have Susano'o.
I think the first hokaGe is too strong IMO.
I mean even OBITO is using hashiramas cells eitherwise his ms would be useless.

 

[~Madara Uchiha~]

this, he can go through any structure [

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] and come up behind anyone [

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], just go all the way up to shinsuusenju and deal with hashirama

Right, So Obito can basically do this to anyone and beat them.

Im wondering why Obito doesnt do this against every opponent xD

 

[Sensational]

You do know that his power comes from his eyes,if he went blind he could not escape with his Space/Time.

And how would he go blind?

 

[Lightbringer]

Fortunately i even draw a comparison between those same passage a while ago:

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And notice Minato wasn't even there from the start, so he actually had to take time to notice the danger before in that situation, but he still did all that

FTG is teleportation, that doesn't make Minato's reaction better than Hashirama

if Hashirama could move from point A to point B in an instant, then he would've done more just like Minato

 

[Fecal Matter]

Can be beaten by sheer will power

The amount of pollen he will breath in is too much.He'll breath it in while using Kamui and if he decides to come back he'll breath some more in.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Obito has 5 minutes after that Hashi Rapes no/low difficulty

What are you talking about he can't stay intangible for more than 5 minute be can evade attacks while intangible like he did with naruto. Hashi can't hit him. Too bad.

 

[Bogard]

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This dense forest of flowering releases pollen into the area numbing the opponent.

How is Obito going to warp when this happens

No need to warp when he can stay intangible and/or go out of the area while Kyubi destroys it easy

FTG is teleportation, that doesn't make Minato's reaction better than Hashirama

if Hashirama could move from point A to point B in an instant, then he would've done more just like Minato

Did you even read the pic well? He didn't use FTG at all to escape while saving Kushina

 

[Kuzan]

And how would he go blind?

If you would read my other posts you could see that I was talking about Izanagi.

 

[~Madara Uchiha~]

Plot hole??You base this assumption in what exactly??
I don't find any plot hole.Obito was in the same place with Naruto and kakashi,he wasn't miles away,how would they not be able to find him in kamui dimension??Kakashi and Obito share the same dimension since they are closr it's only logical to be teleported in the same place in kamuo dimension.
Actually Obito has been shown to wrap his opponents quite often.Madara himself said that he is the only one who could see through Hashi's wood clones,so Hashi could disguise himself so Obito thinks he wrapped him and not a clone.
Obito has been outsmarted by others in the past and honestly I don't think he is very intelligent when it comes to battle tactics.

Madara has stated he is the only one that can see through Hashirama's wood clones.... Hashirama can easily trick Obito...