[VS] MS Lord Sasuke vs. Gaara

[Icelerate]

@ Icelerate, it's beyond me why your post mainly focused on Sasuke being able to outmaneuver Gaaras sand as if Gaaras approach would be anything similar to their fight in part one. That was a bit of a wasted effort as Gaara who has manga knowledge on Sasuke knows first hand that attacking with just mere guard sand isn't going to get him anywhere [Refer to there Chuunin Exams fight and also their quick scuffle at the Kage Summit]. Gaara has seen Sasuke use amaterasu/enton and susano'o... which he has plenty of experience fighting against during the kages battle with Madara. But for some odd reason, you believe Gaara is going to start attacking with puny sand attacks and remain on the ground the whole time, Lol.

Did you even read my post?

Now you must be thinking I'm a fan boy for indirectly implying that 3 tomoe Sasuke beats Gaara but I don't think it will be that simple. Most likely, Gaara will be smart enough to encase himself with a

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like he already did during the chunin exams. Now Gaara's sand dome is open to getting pierced either by chidori or by a susanoo sword. Since Gaara's sand defence is much stronger than it was in part one, it is quite likely that chidori alone won't work.
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The only way for Gaara to safeguard himself from Sasuke now is to take flight but while lifting himself up, he'd be focussed on attaining an airborne state thus his defences will no doubt be weaker than on the ground.

Gaara will have to start with "puny sand attacks" because he won't have access to his large scale ones at the beginning of the fight.

Much like what Gaara did when realized that puny attacks weren't going to do anything against Kimmimaro, Gaara will use his

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off bat, which takes mere seconds. I hope I don't have to fetch the scans where Gaara states creating sands comes effortless for him. Note the size of the sand tsunami in comparison to kimmimaro [

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] it's already the size or a bit larger then Sasuke's susano'o, but I'd imagine a part two Gaaras sand tsunami being even bigger then this. So using sand tsunami off bat serves three important purposes. 1) It forces MS Sasuke to activate Susano'o right away, 2) blocks Sasukes line of sight, and 3) Ultimately gives Gaara control of the battlefield. So Gaara can take flight, prepare sand clones, etc.

Looks like you failed to read my post and counters to your strategies.

Sasuke's Counter to Sand Tsunamis​

Gaara has to actively grind the minerals in the ground to prepare enough sand to launch sand tsunamis. To turn the battlefield into a sandbox, he has to be on the ground and actively transmitting chakra underground, otherwise, he won't be able to transmit his chakra deep underground to prepare enough sand. If he is in the air, he can't launch a sand tsunami unless he already has prepared enough sand. If Gaara stays on the ground, Sasuke can end the fight relatively quickly.

Anyway if Gaara manages to prepare a sand tsunami and is able to launch it, Sasuke can simply fly over it with his hawk summon. I know the hawk summon can be shot down with sand hail afterwards but Gaara can't use sand hail while using sand tsunami. Sasuke can protect himself and his hawk summon from sand hail with a

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Also I love how you say that a sand tsunami can be used not just as an offence but also as a defence due to it being able to block Sasuke's line of sight. However, do bare in mind that since Sasuke's attacks are a lot faster, he'll force Gaara on the defensive from the get go, hence Gaara won't be able to properly launch a sand tsunami against Sasuke while defending himself from Sasuke's attacks. Where has Gaara showed this level of multitasking where he can create a large amount of sand and use it to launch a sand tsunami all while defending against Sasuke's much faster attacks? I already highlighted how Sasuke can pressure Gaara from the beginning, forcing him to cling to fight on the defensive, eventually he'll have to fly away.

With the battlefield advantage, Gaara can quite easily outlast MS Sasuke in these conditions. Amaterasu/enton is easily defended against with his sand defense/sand armor, any arrows can be avoided by simply substituting himself with a clone which was shown to be done with the smallest of windows [

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]. Gaara understands that he needs to attack Sasuke underneath the Susano'o [

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] and by doing so, he can simply catch Sasuke in a sand coffin [

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] to end it.

Gaara won't have the time to create a sand clone against susanoo arrows because utilising clones will take too long as both

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had to rely on unconventional methods to defend against these arrows. Not to mention that Gaara got that opportunity against Lee because Lee was in pain at that time as Kakashi mentions in the same panel you posted. I do believe that Gaara can block those arrows with his sand shield but they would still take some damage regardless. Gaara needed

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as well as a lot of distraction from

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to get sand inside susanoo unnoticed. Even still I already countered this tactic in my previous post.

Countering Sand Arms​

All Sasuke has to do in order to counter

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from underground is to use

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to free himself from their grip and nullify them.

I can go more in depth but I'm a little pressed for time atm. And, true, slashing attacks are different from stabbing/piercing attacks, but Gaaras sand has shown to be able to withstand that as well [

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] it wasn't referred as the ultimate defense in the manga multiple times for no good reason.

All Sasuke has to do is run around that so called defence that Gaara used against Kimimaro. Gaara's stronger defences can infact block his attacks but they are just a waste of chakra as Sasuke can attack from elsewhere.

@iccelerate,couldnt quote you,too much data.
Here is how it goes,
first,gaara dosent have to destroy sasuke's susanoo,he just gets sand beneath sasuke's feet and kills him there.

You fools don't even bother reading my posts, how am I supposed to take you guys seriously.:devil:

Countering Sand Arms​

All Sasuke has to do in order to counter

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from underground is to use

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to free himself from their grip and nullify them.

Sasuke outran gaara's sand in the CE arc,by the SRA acr he was keepimg up withkimi just fine,despiye kimi going cursed seal mode. Kimi had to bulldoze through his sand. Now kimi is a lot faster than SRA sasuke,do gaara's sand surpassed sasuke in speed in part 1.

A Kimimaro who was on the verge of death, who had already fought a thousand KN0 clones and already fought Lee, yeah nice feat. Not to mention that Sasuke's Shippuden speed feats blow Kimimaro's out of the water.

Gaara faced a flying deidara,sasuke shushined to a grounded deidara and his shushin was dodged. Madara also toyed with sasuke too,while being blind,so that comparison is moot.

Yeah the Madara comparison wouldn't work since Madara is faster than Sasuke. Just letting you guys know that Madara would shit on Gaara much worse than any form of Sasuke. Madara has sensory abilities and was still impressed with Sasuke's movements. As for Deidara, yeah but Deidara never felt Gaara's sand speed was great whereas he felt Sasuke's speed was great.

Also sand hail attacks render sasuke's 3t attacks futile

Gaara first has to send sand up in the sky to do this. Due to removing this quantity of sand, it means that his defences will be lower allowing Sasuke to go on the offensive. Also while Gaara focusses his chakra moving sand up in the air, he'll have less sand and his mind will be multitasking allowing Sasuke to potentially blitz Gaara or end him with susanoo arrow. Not to mention that a simple

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will render sand hail useless.

Making sand takes no effort from gaara as he said,so a sand tsunami will take place rather quickly. The one he used on kimi made kimu look real small,current gaara can make a much bigger one seeing as he could make a bijuu sized sand arm to stop gedo's chain in a rocky area.

Okay let us look back to my previous post that you forgot to read.

Sasuke's Counter to Sand Tsunamis​

Gaara has to actively grind the minerals in the ground to prepare enough sand to launch sand tsunamis. To turn the battlefield into a sandbox, he has to be on the ground and actively transmitting chakra underground, otherwise, he won't be able to transmit his chakra deep underground to prepare enough sand. If he is in the air, he can't launch a sand tsunami unless he already has prepared enough sand. If Gaara stays on the ground, Sasuke can end the fight relatively quickly.

Anyway if Gaara manages to prepare a sand tsunami and is able to launch it, Sasuke can simply fly over it with his hawk summon. I know the hawk summon can be shot down with sand hail afterwards but Gaara can't use sand hail while using sand tsunami. Sasuke can protect himself and his hawk summon from sand hail with a

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Gaara has shown the ability to block piercing attacks against kimimaro. How exactly is his sand armour featless?.

Okay, Sasuke simply runs past that Shukaku shield of sand and attacks Gaara head on. As for sand armour being featless, I meant that a simple chidori sharp spear will cut right through sand armour since it doesn't have the feats of blocking an above average slicing attack let alone penetrating attack.

While sasuke is focusing an amaterasu on gaara's sand,he leaved himself wide open for a counter.

Not necessarily as the strategy that I'm talking about requires Sasuke to use amaterasu on a small point in Gaara's sand and follow it up with a susanoo sword stab or a couple of susanoo arrows at that spot. Sasuke using amaterasu at such a small point and at a much smaller scale than he has ever done means he won't feel any significant backlash.

Gaara's ultimate defence didnt reach it's limit against the 5 susanoos,his auto defence did,and that is his weakest version,and the amount of sand used was very small,the same thing hapened when he blocked madara's senjutsu enhanced susanoo,the amount of sand was almost miniature.

What version are you referring to as being stronger? If

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is what you are talking about then it isn't even that strong since Gaara needed Onoki's help to guard against those magatamas. Moreover, Sasuke can simply get around that linear shield.

Those arrows got stuck in a medium sized pillar of rock,gaara's sand at the SRA arc broke kimi's bones that were dtronger than tempered steel,current gaara's defence is even above that by a long shot.

Are we talking about the same fight where Sasuke couldn't kill Kabuto? Of course he wouldn't put in maximum piercing power in those arrows.

Gaara can also use a kawarimi in the blink of an eye,and as shown against lee,break his body into sand. Thus the arrows wont get much luck here. As for the susanoo sword,gaara can easily make a mineral rich defence to block it,or can just use his giant sand arms to grab the sword

Gaara won't have the time to create a sand clone against susanoo arrows because utilising clones will take too long as both

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had to rely on unconventional methods to defend against these arrows. Not to mention that Gaara got that opportunity against Lee because Lee was in pain at that time as Kakashi mentions in the same panel you posted.

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, good counter but this just goes to show how Gaara's defence abilities greatly weaken when he puts in a lot of sand for offence. This gives Sasuke an opening to use susanoo arrow while Gaara is defenceless, GG.

If a v2 raiton armour didnt budge the sand which was also being hit by an enton from below,then chidori nagashi wont do much.

First off, I meant chidori nagashi as a defence against sand arms, not as an offence against Gaara's chakra enhanced sand. Secondly, raiton armour was at constant chakra output at that time. Chidori Nagashi is going to exert a sudden electric force dispersing the sand, unlike raiton armour which was a continuous constant electric force which has no push back capability. Chidori Nagashi repelled Sai, Naruto and Yamato's mokuton whereas Onoki has been seen riding on top of raiton armoured Ay so the two techs aren't comparable.

 

[genii96]

@iccelerate,it dosent matter,kimi was leagues ahead of SRA sasuke in speed,if gaara kept up with him that easily then that means gaara's sand surpassed sasuke in speed by that arc. In shippuden,the split second it took

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,gaara made a

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. So his sand speed also increased as well.

Madara had only his sensory abilities,sasuke had his ems and still cudnt hit him,he shat on sasuke with a simple katon,when the same madara attacked gaara and shukaku,gaara didnt have a problem with his speed,and even collaborated with shukaku to hit him. That further proves gaara's sand is faster.

Sand hail forms nigh instantly,

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. Also i said that was for a 3t sasuke,whom you said could win,then you go and say he uses susanoo:|.

I meant a bigger gourd sand shield actually,and the one he used against madara was just a normal sand shield without any extra because it was a double move,there was no need to waste chakra when onoki was there to help. If he wanted he could have made it mineral rich,his shield ofshukaku in part 1 was normal sand,but added with minerals,and that was his ultimate defencive move in part 1. If sasuke tries to run around the shield,gaara just moves the shield,or changes it's shape, however gaara would only have to make this kind of shield for an arrow,or susanoo sword pierce,which sasuke cant bend around the shield.

Who says gaara has to stay on the ground to make a sand tsunami?,or has to transmit chakra?,he is not a doton user,he was on the air when he made the sand arms to save shukaku. Even if he has to,the amount of time is very negligible to matter.

Even if sasuke dodges the sand tsunami with his hawk. He is still in trouble,because gaara will then hace a huge amount of sand to hit him with,and a ribcage susanoo wont help much.

Kakashi and danzo required handseals to do what they wanted. Gaara's clones don't require any handseals

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is why he was able to escape lee so fast. Gaara will clearly see sasuke equiping the arrow,so he will know to defend it.

Gaara was caught out by madara because his full attention was on saving shukaku and madara attacked him from the side,here his full attention his on sasuke,whether sword or arrow,gaara would be able to block it. Sasuke cant even keep it up for long

if sasuke attacks a small point,then gaara can easily replace it,or is gaara going to leave a burning sand with himself,infact he would use that to attack. If sasuke uses amaterasu,gaara can still attack him at that time,so he is still wide open.

Onoki rode on Ay because he let him,when sasuke attacked with his chidori katana,it bounced off his raiton armour and that was in v1 . Ay also infused mei's water dragon with raiton chakra,which didnt affect gaara's sand,what if gaara were to do this,

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under him?.

Gaara's sand armour blocked outstretched bones of a cs2 kimi,

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with only a few cracks,chidori spear was blocked by orochimaru's arm.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Did you even read my post?

Yes I did. You made like three scenarios; two of which explain how 3T and MS Sasuke defeats a part one chuunin exams Gaara with low-difficulty. That's exactly what I got from reading the majority of your post. Gaara will use the same tactics and techniques he used back in part one which failed against a 2T Sasuke. "Gaara would be smart enough" to trap himself in a sand sphere on the ground knowing fully well Sasuke has a susano'o..? Like are you joking..?

Your scenarios don't even match the amount of difficulty you set for Sasuke winning this match in the first place.

Gaara will have to start with "puny sand attacks" because he won't have access to his large scale ones at the beginning of the fight.

Looks like you failed to read my post and counters to your strategies.

Also I love how you say that a sand tsunami can be used not just as an offence but also as a defence due to it being able to block Sasuke's line of sight. However, do bare in mind that since Sasuke's attacks are a lot faster, he'll force Gaara on the defensive from the get go, hence Gaara won't be able to properly launch a sand tsunami against Sasuke while defending himself from Sasuke's attacks. Where has Gaara showed this level of multitasking where he can create a large amount of sand and use it to launch a sand tsunami all while defending against Sasuke's much faster attacks? I already highlighted how Sasuke can pressure Gaara from the beginning, forcing him to cling to fight on the defensive, eventually he'll have to fly away.

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I'm assuming you believe that it took from the moment Gaara stepped on the battlefield to the time he actually used the tsunami for him to do something like this? Again, it takes no effort and barely any time at all for Gaara to create sand from the ground. Gaara thought this tactic [

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] followed by his sand coffin was going to be enough to kill Kimmimaro [

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], he realized it wasn't, Kimmimaro said it will never catch him again; Gaara get's serious, creates all the sand underground (Kishi emphasizes on the stomp and kneading of chakra) [

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] and Gaara creates an entire sand tsunami within seconds. I have no clue how long you expect this to take since you're so heavily depending on Gaara never getting the chance to do so.

And I didn't fail to read anything. I didn't give it much attention because I didn't think it was an adequate counter in the first place. Gaara can do anything with his sand. As soon as he realizes Sasukes attempt to fly over the sand tsunami, he can simply deploy sand from that very tsunami and knock them back down with

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. And to answer your question, Gaara is probably the most proficient at multi-tasking in this entire manga. Not only is his guard sand clashing with his father's gold dust, but he also used Suna Arare, lifted his sand above the gold dust, captured all 3 of the Kage, and defended against his fathers surprise attack almost simultaneously. [

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] and there are even more demonstrations in the manga where Gaara had no trouble multi-tasking but I believe I already made my point.

Gaara won't have the time to create a sand clone against susanoo arrows because utilising clones will take too long as both

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and

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had to rely on unconventional methods to defend against these arrows. Not to mention that Gaara got that opportunity against Lee because Lee was in pain at that time as Kakashi mentions in the same panel you posted. I do believe that Gaara can block those arrows with his sand shield but they would still take some damage regardless. Gaara needed

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as well as a lot of distraction from

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to get sand inside susanoo unnoticed. Even still I already countered this tactic in my previous post.

Lee stopped his body and closed his eyes for a moment... [

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] a very brief moment that Gaara was able to capitalize on and substitute himself. All it takes is for Gaara to blind Sasukes line of sight (sand tsunami, etc) for him to deploy this strategy. It wouldn't work out in the open like in Danzou and Kakashi's case where Sasuke can just successfully counter after seeing it. But Gaara can always defend with his sand shield, I'm glad you admitted that. Yes, Onoki lightened up Gaaras sand.. that doesn't mean Gaara can't do it on his own now. Sasuke was able to finally activate a legged susano'o for the first time thanks to Narutos chakra cloak; do you think Sasuke is going to depend on that same chakra cloak in order to activate legged susano'o/PS every single time from now on? Obviously not. Gaara understands the Susano'o's weak points, he countered it effectively the very first time with some help, so now he knows how to do it on his own now. There is absolutely nothing that suggests he can't do it by himself, considering the fact that he can make sand appear from the ground anytime he wants [

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].

What is Chidori Nagashi going to even do? Raiton isn't a weakness to Gaaras sand. You think it can overpower Gaaras grasp of sand that is able to crush human bone effortlessly?

All Sasuke has to do is run around that so called defence that Gaara used against Kimimaro. Gaara's stronger defences can infact block his attacks but they are just a waste of chakra as Sasuke can attack from elsewhere.

I meant Gaara's defense would be able to withstand a susano'o arrow.