[VS] MS Lord Sasuke vs. Gaara

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Yes I did take note that there was off panel fighting between the two but when it comes back to them you see Sasuke activating his MS without no sign of Susanoo covering him so yes what I do say still holds truth.

Yeah I know that... don't think I didn't take that into consideration after all this isn't EMS Sasuke. Well here are the two options I see for Sasuke. 1. After defending himself once with amaterasu (enton).. he can summon his hawk and take to the skies. Since he used a bijuu sized amaterasu it will definitely heat up the atmosphere and cause storm clouds to develop. In the manga to my knowledge Gaara has no info on Kirin so he won't suspect on what Sasuke will do and unlike in the manga scenario vs. Itachi, Sasuke won't give a speech so once Kirin is prepped he'll unleash it on Gaara resulting in his demise. (Gaara hasn't shown reaction feats to say he'll block it from what I know)

Option 2. Given the location there isn't much space so the battefield will mostly be covered in amaterasu flames.. from what I remember Sasuke's enton rendered gaara's sand useless so any sand attack that comes at sasuke won't work. Then again Gaara can get him under his feet so option 1 seems like the better choice Lol

What you say still holds truth..? How are you even certain. It is very unclear in the manga at which point Sasuke activated his MS and Susano'o. It's all speculation whether he can/can not go straight into V3 Susano'o off bat. However, the anime agrees with me for what it's worth. Anyways, arguing over this is futile as Gaara can simply substitute himself with a clone with the smallest of windows [ ]. So the susano'o arrows are still avoidable either way.

I'm sorry, it may just be me, but I feel like this might as well be EMS Sasuke without legged Susano'o that I'm debating against. The way MS Sasuke is being utilized is way beyond the capabilities he has shown. Thinking about it now, for Sasuke to replicate the same amount of Amaterasu that he used on Bee to control it all with Enton in order to defend against a Sand Tsunami seems way above the boundaries of his MS [Hasn't even shown such a feat with EMS] considering the amount of strain it put on his eyes by manipulating a small amount of Amaterasu [ ]. If this is a battle between who can force and push there jutsu for the longest, Gaaras sand Tsuname will win.

Anyways, Sasuke taking to the skies with his Hawk and initiating Kirin is a very nice alternative route seeing as he wouldn't be able to use Susano'o. However, Gaara can simply knock them back down with .. where he proceeds to finish a defenseless and exhausted Sasuke.
 

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What you say still holds truth..? How are you even certain. It is very unclear in the manga at which point Sasuke activated his MS and Susano'o. It's all speculation whether he can/can not go straight into V3 Susano'o off bat. However, the anime agrees with me for what it's worth. Anyways, arguing over this is futile as Gaara can simply substitute himself with a clone with the smallest of windows [ ]. So the susano'o arrows are still avoidable either way.

I'm sorry, it may just be me, but I feel like this might as well be EMS Sasuke without legged Susano'o that I'm debating against. The way MS Sasuke is being utilized is way beyond the capabilities he has shown. Thinking about it now, for Sasuke to replicate the same amount of Amaterasu that he used on Bee to control it all with Enton in order to defend against a Sand Tsunami seems way above the boundaries of his MS [Hasn't even shown such a feat with EMS] considering the amount of strain it put on his eyes by manipulating a small amount of Amaterasu [ ]. If this is a battle between who can force and push there jutsu for the longest, Gaaras sand Tsuname will win.

Anyways, Sasuke taking to the skies with his Hawk and initiating Kirin is a very nice alternative route seeing as he wouldn't be able to use Susano'o. However, Gaara can simply knock them back down with .. where he proceeds to finish a defenseless and exhausted Sasuke.

Will come back to this later on if AC hasn't >.> Thought I had you there but oh well why should I be surprised from what I've seen coming from you U_U
 

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Gee I don't know.. I mean its not like the title states it at all.

title says it is ms,but i am seeing enton arrows,v4 susanoo and amaterasu spam without any sign of worry. As if an ms sasuke could use those for more than 5 minutes with no side effects
 

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?? how is sauce so underrated. sasuke genjutsu this ngga no diff.
susano arrow > gaara
part 1 nardo > jin gaara
 

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Hum,Hard one but I think Gaara wins high dif.
 

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Gaara takes this with high difficulty.

MS sasuke is not on gaara's level. In my honest opinion Sasuke would get overwhelmed.
 

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MS Sasuke wins high difficulty.

Here is the situation, Gaara's sand lack destructive power/penetrating capabilities/piercing capabilities and would fail to destroy any form of susanoo that Sasuke decides to use. On the other hand, Sasuke's susanoo attacks do have some penetrating and destructive power and may be able to break through Gaara's lower level defences which he will start with at the beginning of the fight.

Progressively as the fight goes on, Sasuke will start to feel the strain of the MS while Gaara too will use up quite a bit of chakra but his reserves are greater and his defence and offence capabilities will continue increasing whereas Sasuke's will be reduced. All in all, the longer the fight drags on, the higher Gaara's chances at attaining victory.

Now I believe Sasuke can pull this off with high difficulty. First off, Sasuke doesn't have to spam susanoo from the very beginning of the fight since Gaara won't have much sand to work with and Sasuke's speed is fast enough to contend with relatively low levels of sand via foot speed alone. This was but since both Sasuke's speed and the speed of Gaara's sand as well as Gaara's reactions have improved, it is debatable if my statement holds true in part two as well. I say it does since Gaara had the 2nd Mizukage's clone. Yes the 2nd Mizukage's clone is but Sasuke has also shown many great speed feats which include , who should be faster and have better reactions than the no named fodders that got blitzed by the 2nd Mizukage's clone. Not to mention that even Yamato, who is faster than Gaara and the others supporting Gaara commented on Sasuke's speed. Secondly, even Deidara had trouble with Sasuke's speed and . That same Deidara early on never mentioned that Gaara's sand is fast which goes to show that Sasuke is still faster than Gaara's sand. Now a lot of people will claim, but Gaara kept up with Madara just fine. However, you should realize that Madara was simply toying with the Gokage and never used his full speed against them. This fact is clearly evident when Madara did not bother dodging Tsunade's punches ( )( ) when he is more than capable of doing so. He was merely testing out how powerful the Gokage were.

Even though Madara was fixated on a large number of shinobi, he managed to Gaara's sand attacks easily. Sasuke with an even faster whose slower version without senjutsu managed to , a shinobi who is much faster and has better reactions than Gaara.

Alright so the whole point of proving that Sasuke is faster than Gaara's sand was to show that it is possible that early on, Sasuke can slip past Gaara's gourd sand just . Replace that kick with a which will no doubt slice Gaara and his relatively feat-less sand armour in half.

Now you must be thinking I'm a fan boy for indirectly implying that 3 tomoe Sasuke beats Gaara but I don't think it will be that simple. Most likely, Gaara will be smart enough to encase himself with a like he already did during the chunin exams. Now Gaara's sand dome is open to getting pierced either by chidori or by a susanoo sword. Since Gaara's sand defence is much stronger than it was in part one, it is quite likely that chidori alone won't work. I do believe that if Sasuke focusses amaterasu on one point on the sand sphere, he'll be able to greatly weaken it and then take Gaara out with a susanoo sword stab or susanoo arrow. If one susanoo arrow doesn't do the trick it will leave a small hole in Gaara's sand so another susanoo arrow should pierce through.

A lot of people think that because Gaara from 5 susanoo clones, no susanoo user can ever breach his defence. This isn't true since as I've already explained Madara was toying around with the Gokage and was testing their capabilities. Gaara reached his limits as he was . A serious Madara would then finish him off. Anyhow, what Madara did was slash Gaara with a susanoo strike. A piercing sword strike will break through the defence since piercing attacks are better at breaking through defences for reasons I'll now explain. First you must know the difference between slicing and piercing sword attacks. A slicing sword attack is when one swings a sword and a piercing sword strike is a stab/lunge. Piercing attacks are focussed at one point whereas slicing attacks are focussed along a line. Naturally, attacks focussed at a point will have a smaller surface area to penetrate thus they will have more force per unit area(pressure) and there will be less sand at that point guarding against the attack. All in all, Gaara won't be able to defend against a susanoo stab if he had trouble against slashes.

The only way for Gaara to safeguard himself from Sasuke now is to take flight but while lifting himself up, he'd be focussed on attaining an airborne state thus his defences will no doubt be weaker than on the ground. Susanoo arrows can do the trick here after enton has weakened Gaara's sand. If all of this fails, that enton will end up heating up the atmosphere allowing Sasuke to use Kirin against an airborne Gaara. Gaara can not block a massive lightning bolt because it is too fast for him to prepare an appropriate defence.

Sasuke's Counter to Sand Tsunamis​
Gaara has to actively grind the minerals in the ground to prepare enough sand to launch sand tsunamis. To turn the battlefield into a sandbox, he has to be on the ground and actively transmitting chakra underground, otherwise, he won't be able to transmit his chakra deep underground to prepare enough sand. If he is in the air, he can't launch a sand tsunami unless he already has prepared enough sand. If Gaara stays on the ground, Sasuke can end the fight relatively quickly.

Anyway if Gaara manages to prepare a sand tsunami and is able to launch it, Sasuke can simply fly over it with his hawk summon. I know the hawk summon can be shot down with sand hail afterwards but Gaara can't use sand hail while using sand tsunami. Sasuke can protect himself and his hawk summon from sand hail with a .

Countering Sand Arms
All Sasuke has to do in order to counter from underground is to use to free himself from their grip and nullify them.

Countering Quick Sand
If Sasuke is being pulled into a , Sasuke can summon Aoda or a fodder snake summon to escape getting buried alive. Alternatively, he can free himself from Gaara's grip with chidori nagashi and simply fly away on his hawk. I know Gaara is capable of compromising Sasuke's summons but these sacrificial means is going to allow Sasuke to escape the immediate threat.
 
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@ Icelerate, it's beyond me why your post mainly focused on Sasuke being able to outmaneuver Gaaras sand as if Gaaras approach would be anything similar to their fight in part one. That was a bit of a wasted effort as Gaara who has manga knowledge on Sasuke knows first hand that attacking with just mere guard sand isn't going to get him anywhere [Refer to there Chuunin Exams fight and also their quick scuffle at the Kage Summit]. Gaara has seen Sasuke use amaterasu/enton and susano'o... which he has plenty of experience fighting against during the kages battle with Madara. But for some odd reason, you believe Gaara is going to start attacking with puny sand attacks and remain on the ground the whole time, Lol.

Much like what Gaara did when realized that puny attacks weren't going to do anything against Kimmimaro, Gaara will use his off bat, which takes mere seconds. I hope I don't have to fetch the scans where Gaara states creating sands comes effortless for him. Note the size of the sand tsunami in comparison to kimmimaro [ ] it's already the size or a bit larger then Sasuke's susano'o, but I'd imagine a part two Gaaras sand tsunami being even bigger then this. So using sand tsunami off bat serves three important purposes. 1) It forces MS Sasuke to activate Susano'o right away, 2) blocks Sasukes line of sight, and 3) Ultimately gives Gaara control of the battlefield. So Gaara can take flight, prepare sand clones, etc.

With the battlefield advantage, Gaara can quite easily outlast MS Sasuke in these conditions. Amaterasu/enton is easily defended against with his sand defense/sand armor, any arrows can be avoided by simply substituting himself with a clone which was shown to be done with the smallest of windows [ ]. Gaara understands that he needs to attack Sasuke underneath the Susano'o [ ] and by doing so, he can simply catch Sasuke in a sand coffin [ ]-[ ] to end it.

I can go more in depth but I'm a little pressed for time atm. And, true, slashing attacks are different from stabbing/piercing attacks, but Gaaras sand has shown to be able to withstand that as well [ ] it wasn't referred as the ultimate defense in the manga multiple times for no good reason.
 

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@iccelerate,couldnt quote you,too much data.
Here is how it goes,
first,gaara dosent have to destroy sasuke's susanoo,he just gets sand beneath sasuke's feet and kills him there.

Sasuke outran gaara's sand in the CE arc,by the SRA acr he was keepimg up withkimi just fine,despiye kimi going cursed seal mode. Kimi had to bulldoze through his sand. Now kimi is a lot faster than SRA sasuke,do gaara's sand surpassed sasuke in speed in part 1.

Gaara faced a flying deidara,sasuke shushined to a grounded deidara and his shushin was dodged. Madara also toyed with sasuke too,while being blind,so that comparison is moot.

Also sand hail attacks render sasuke's 3t attacks futile

Making sand takes no effort from gaara as he said,so a sand tsunami will take place rather quickly. The one he used on kimi made kimu look real small,current gaara can make a much bigger one seeing as he could make a bijuu sized sand arm to stop gedo's chain in a rocky area.

Gaara has shown the ability to block piercing attacks against kimimaro. How exactly is his sand armour featless?.

While sasuke is focusing an amaterasu on gaara's sand,he leaved himself wide open for a counter.

Gaara's ultimate defence didnt reach it's limit against the 5 susanoos,his auto defence did,and that is his weakest version,and the amount of sand used was very small,the same thing hapened when he blocked madara's senjutsu enhanced susanoo,the amount of sand was almost miniature.

Those arrows got stuck in a medium sized pillar of rock,gaara's sand at the SRA arc broke kimi's bones that were dtronger than tempered steel,current gaara's defence is even above that by a long shot.

Gaara can also use a kawarimi in the blink of an eye,and as shown against lee,break his body into sand. Thus the arrows wont get much luck here. As for the susanoo sword,gaara can easily make a mineral rich defence to block it,or can just use his giant sand arms to grab the sword

If a v2 raiton armour didnt budge the sand which was also being hit by an enton from below,then chidori nagashi wont do much.
 

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@iccelerate,couldnt quote you,too much data.
Here is how it goes,
first,gaara dosent have to destroy sasuke's susanoo,he just gets sand beneath sasuke's feet and kills him there.

Sasuke outran gaara's sand in the CE arc,by the SRA acr he was keepimg up withkimi just fine,despiye kimi going cursed seal mode. Kimi had to bulldoze through his sand. Now kimi is a lot faster than SRA sasuke,do gaara's sand surpassed sasuke in speed in part 1.

Gaara faced a flying deidara,sasuke shushined to a grounded deidara and his shushin was dodged. Madara also toyed with sasuke too,while being blind,so that comparison is moot.

Also sand hail attacks render sasuke's 3t attacks futile

Making sand takes no effort from gaara as he said,so a sand tsunami will take place rather quickly. The one he used on kimi made kimu look real small,current gaara can make a much bigger one seeing as he could make a bijuu sized sand arm to stop gedo's chain in a rocky area.

Gaara has shown the ability to block piercing attacks against kimimaro. How exactly is his sand armour featless?.

While sasuke is focusing an amaterasu on gaara's sand,he leaved himself wide open for a counter.

Gaara's ultimate defence didnt reach it's limit against the 5 susanoos,his auto defence did,and that is his weakest version,and the amount of sand used was very small,the same thing hapened when he blocked madara's senjutsu enhanced susanoo,the amount of sand was almost miniature.

Those arrows got stuck in a medium sized pillar of rock,gaara's sand at the SRA arc broke kimi's bones that were dtronger than tempered steel,current gaara's defence is even above that by a long shot.

Gaara can also use a kawarimi in the blink of an eye,and as shown against lee,break his body into sand. Thus the arrows wont get much luck here. As for the susanoo sword,gaara can easily make a mineral rich defence to block it,or can just use his giant sand arms to grab the sword

If a v2 raiton armour didnt budge the sand which was also being hit by an enton from below,then chidori nagashi wont do much.

Stopped reading after this. [ ] the only reason Gaara was able to pull Madara out of his susanoó was because ohnoki made the sand lighter, if he would be able to kill him inside the susano'o he would have tried that with madara.​
 

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The only thing I'll point out is @bold Oh and also that this is Prime MS Sasuke meaning everything MS Sasuke has done or shown except this time he's in a fully restored condition. I'm not sure if he can use enton arrows but he can certainly use enton magatama's seeing as how they form from the orb that MS Sasuke's susanoo also possesses [x]
Anyways onto what you say. I believe Sasuke was still learning how to develop and master his susanoo through his fight against Danzo. Why do I believe this? Because in later events against Kakashi, Sasuke activated V2 or V3 whatever you call it in an instant [x] Not only that but he also fired two arrows at Kakashi as well.. this displays the fact that Sasuke was gaining experience with his Susanoo. If it wasn't for Kakashi's eye which has been shown to activate quite fast he would've been dead.. I'm not so sure Gaara himself can react to this.

Sasuke in the early stages of having MS was able to produce bijuu sized amaterasu flames.. refer back to his fight against the hachibi. Since this is prime ms sasuke I see no trouble in him using that to defend against gaara's sand.. which he did already previously. You might say he can't keep spamming amaterasu to that extent over and over but I believe he just needs to do it once and with those flames he'll just enton control to protect himself. Anyways I don't know who wins.. I don't even know if that last part of what I said was true lol ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) so please correct me if I'm wrong
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Fight could go either way! but i place my money on gaara but sasuke's genjutsu is still a factor.
 

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Lol'd at a couple of these arguments. However, very impressed by a few.
Did you laugh at mines? huh huh?!

@FT seems AC's lazy ass didn't do anything so I suppose I'll step in his place U_U I will try what I can I'm lazy as hell so I'll reply to it whenever I feel like it
 
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