[Spoilers] More proof that Doujutsu Didn't Come From The Juubi.

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Last two chapters made some interesting points.

-First up, its been confirmed that the juubi is pure natural energy, and that only natural energy attacks can affect it. Sasukes ametarasu , which is a doujutsu kkg straight from the elder sons lineage, was absorbed by it. A simple senjutsu rasengan, on the other hand was not.
Now keep in mind the explanation given above, a small natural energy attack= a small part of what the juubi is composed of, its essence and this affects it. But ametarasu doesnt, meaning it isnt made out of the juubis essence.:O Meaning the elder sons(uchihas) doujutsu are not connected to the juubi.

- We saw both jiraiya and narutos senjutsu attacks absorbed by the preta path of nagatos rinnegan, while the juubi jinchuriki is unable to do so. Clearly decreasing the probability that the juubi is connected to the rinnegan as well.

-Obito has been juubi jinchuriki for 5-6 chapters now, yet his eyes have remained unchanged. To those that say incomplete juubi, Na + Cl = NaCl whether its a gram or a ton.

-Mythologies: ametarasu is the shinto goddess of the sun, formed when izanagi returned from the yomi underworld where he went to see his dead wife izanami btw. Anyway, when he washed his left eye the goddess ametarasu was formed. What im getting at with this is that all uchiha techs are the names of shinto gods who succeeded each other, their origin isnt rooted in a juubi like being.
 

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Last two chapters made some interesting points.

-First up, its been confirmed that the juubi is pure natural energy, and that only natural energy attacks can affect it. Sasukes ametarasu , which is a doujutsu kkg straight from the elder sons lineage, was absorbed by it. A simple senjutsu rasengan, on the other hand was not.
Now keep in mind the explanation given above, a small natural energy attack= a small part of what the juubi is composed of, its essence and this affects it. But ametarasu doesnt, meaning it isnt made out of the juubis essence.:O Meaning the elder sons(uchihas) doujutsu are not connected to the juubi.

- We saw both jiraiya and narutos senjutsu attacks absorbed by the preta path of nagatos rinnegan, while the juubi jinchuriki is unable to do so. Clearly decreasing the probability that the juubi is connected to the rinnegan as well.

-Obito has been juubi jinchuriki for 5-6 chapters now, yet his eyes have remained unchanged. To those that say incomplete juubi, Na + Cl = NaCl whether its a gram or a ton.

-Mythologies: ametarasu is the shinto goddess of the sun, formed when izanagi returned from the yomi underworld where he went to see his dead wife izanami btw. Anyway, when he washed his left eye the goddess ametarasu was formed. What im getting at with this is that all uchiha techs are the names of shinto gods who succeeded each other, their origin isnt rooted in a juubi like being.
yes i agreed..... and i think sage also knows senjutsu... so sage fought jubbi with rinnegan+SM... what you think about that...
 

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Also recall the chapter in which the Juubi attacks (targets Naruto). It looks at Naruto and above him it sees the Rinnegan eyes of the Sage. Why would it imagine those eyes with an opponent starting at it if the sage dnt already have them?!

Now it could have made sense if the sage did a look inside himself; however, considering it was seeing the real world and recalling the same expression on one who stood against him. It seems like the sage already had the Rinnegan.
 

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yes i agreed..... and i think sage also knows senjutsu... so sage fought jubbi with rinnegan+SM... what you think about that...
I believe he had the rinnegan, sm is quite probable since tying down the juubi to seal it would take a lot.
nice theory good job
Thanks!
Yeah this seems legit...
Why wouldnt it lol.
Also recall the chapter in which the Juubi attacks (targets Naruto). It looks at Naruto and above him it sees the Rinnegan eyes of the Sage. Why would it imagine those eyes with an opponent starting at it if the sage dnt already have them?!

Now it could have made sense if the sage did a look inside himself; however, considering it was seeing the real world and recalling the same expression on one who stood against him. It seems like the sage already had the Rinnegan.
Ah yes another good point. It sensed the chakra of all the bijjus within naruto and then recalled 'seeing' a pair of rinnegan eyes, as you say this would imply that when he fought him, the rikudo already had the rinnegan.
Overall the pre existence of the samsara eye viz the juubi has more evidence. The only thing that connects the two is the fact that awakening the rinnegan allowed madara to summon the gedo. But this could have easily been a jutsu performed by the sage which left its impact, like how madara could still summon the kyuubi.
 

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Your theory is good, but how would you explain the Juubi's eye?
I actually made a thread on that, im on my phone or id link you to it. I theorized that the sage left a jutsu on the juubi that may have created that eye, in order to create the 9 tailed beasts. This also explains why the gedo mazo, which is the body of the juubi, had an eye open each time a bijuu was sealed into it.
 

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I actually made a thread on that, im on my phone or id link you to it. I theorized that the sage left a jutsu on the juubi that may have created that eye, in order to create the 9 tailed beasts. This also explains why the gedo mazo, which is the body of the juubi, had an eye open each time a bijuu was sealed into it.
how do you explain this image then?

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@bansho tenin: that image wasnt from the memory of the rikudo or anyone directly involved with the events of that time. Like how obito described the founding of konoha the images were non canon. Or when itachi told sasuke madara forcibly took izunas eyes. The account has to be first hand for the images to be 100% accurate. Note that the rikudo has his staff, which is only obtained AFTER becoming the juubis jinchuriki as we saw with obito.
 

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@bansho tenin: that image wasnt from the memory of the rikudo or anyone directly involved with the events of that time. Like how obito described the founding of konoha the images were non canon. Or when itachi told sasuke madara forcibly took izunas eyes. The account has to be first hand for the images to be 100% accurate. Note that the rikudo has his staff, which is only obtained AFTER becoming the juubis jinchuriki as we saw with obito.
i'll agree with you that what you said kinda makes sense, but in all honesty, we don't really know for sure....
 

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THis is from manga mking it probably true. Juubi had the eyes. Jinks in the manga inherit the eyes of the Tailed beast when using it's abilities like Naruto's does.
 

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THis is from manga mking it probably true. Juubi had the eyes. Jinks in the manga inherit the eyes of the Tailed beast when using it's abilities like Naruto's does.
There you go. Your Eye theory was pretty rubbish Narutokage2 in my honest opinion.

Again the circumstances for the doujutsu hypothesis to be proven wrong have not yet been reached. In order for that to happen:

A: Juubi must be Complete

B: Juubi Must be subjugated

So far only B has possibly happened, A is not possible yet as the Juubi is still missing the Hachibi and Kyuubi chakra.

Not to mention your being very dumb for not realizing that due to Kurama's statements the Juubi is the primordial source of all Chakra and hence all Dojutsu must come from the juubi because of this statement. Its very simple, actually its pretty much immutable.
 
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