Moralism and homophobia

[Wolfus]

Hi guys. Today, I going to discuss with you the behavior and ideas of blind moralists towards homossexualism. I've made a similar thread some time ago. This, however, will focus on showing the mistakes of blind moralists, whilke the other one focused more on the importance of respect and equality of rights.

First, I'm going to describe a situation that happened in a school. My friend told me this.
A teacher asked the students to make a text with what they know about homophobia. A student, in his text, explained the fight that happens here in order to give the homossexuals privileges. He build his whole argumentation focusing on this.
When the teacher read it, she got really scared, and sent the student to the principal, who rebuked the student.
The teacher said she was so scared that she didn't even sleep that night, knowing that there is such conservative person in her classroom

Now, I'm pretty sure the teacher couldn't even find arguments to disprove the students, and she forced homophobia into that situation, as it is what most blind moralists do. I'm goint to explain it now.

Essencial knowledge
For this thread, there are somethings that need to be known. I'll explain everything. If you know it, you can skip this part, but don't post anything that goes against these concepts.
- Respect and criticism: To be respected is a right of every citizen, it is a duty of everybody to respect the differences between the individuals. Criticism is different from disrespect. One can criticize anything(to criticize is to make an analysis of something using logic, evidences and facts to suport some idea), as long as he/she keeps it respectful. Criticism is part of our freedom of speech.

- Homophobia: To hate, to discriminate, to have the desire to segregate or harm(in any way) an homossexual for the very reason that the person is homossexual.

Criticism
It's obvious that the homossexuals deserve the same rights as the other citizens. The best way for people to live together is a, ideal democracy, in which the differences are respected by each citizen and by the law: despite the differences, the law and the government don't consider some better than others because some characteristic.(This is an ideal democracy, of course things aren't exactly like that, but it's the closest we can get).
All citizens having the same rights(equality of rights) is different, of course, from socialism, which tries to equal different beings, ignoring the differences. So, homossexuals are citizens, just like everybody else.

However, blind moralists, who claim to be fighting for the homossexuals to have the same rights, make stupid mistakes such as the trial to give the homossexuals privileges. which for some reason they call equality. What is the evidence that these people try to fight for these privileges?
The evidences are that they try to make the homossexuals untouchable: People must agree with homossexualism(to respect and to accept is different from to agree, as with the first 2. people will acknowledge and respect the different characteristics, ideas and behaviors, but they wom't necessarily agree with it.), people must never critize homossexualism or homossexuals, homossexuals must have rights to secure these, having more rights than the other citizens.
These measures are obviously a trial to put the homossexuals above the other citizens, as not only they will have more rights, but also the rest of the population will lose part of their freedom of speech(they cannot disagree with homossexualism and they can't critize it). Of course, now I'll give exemples:

Situation 1:
"-man, I'm proud to be homossexual
-way to go, dude"
vs
"-man, I'm proud to be white/straight
- YOU HOMOPHOBIC DOUCHEBAG"

Situation 2:
*Straight couple making out on the streets, in a very intense way*
"- Man, look at them, they're almost eating each other, so disrespectful
- Indeed. It's ok to kiss outside, but they're almost having ***, this bothers other people. Get a room"
vs
*Homossexual couple making out on the streets, in a very intense way*
"- Man, look at them, they're almost eating each other, so disrespectful. It's ok to kiss outside, but they're almost having ***, this bothers other people. Get a room
- JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE GAY, RIGHT??!!!
- No, it's the way...
- YOU HOMOPHOBIC DOUCHEBAG!!!"

The proud person of the situation 1 was wrongly considered homophobic.To be proud of a characteristc of yours is not a prejudice, is not a trial of discrimination against the "oposite group". It doesn't fit the concepts I've mentioned.
The same happened in situation 2: The guy was bothered not because the couple was homossexual, but it was because their way of kissing. As the guy explained, it bothers people, so, as much as we're free, our freedom is limited to the point that we can't make things disrespectful to other citizens. So, it was not homophobia(this, howevever, is not to takeaway people's rights. As everybody must be equaly respect, you can't disrespect people if you want respect, this is the limitation of freedom, which brings stability). However, many blind moralists wrongly consider these situations as homophobic situations.


Their excuse is that homossexuals are the opressed minority, therefore they need these measures. This is an obvious mistake: Giving privileges will only increase the cicle of hatred between the 2 groups, as the group without the privileges will feel "opressed", "decreased", and they will blaim the group with privileges. This,as I said, will increase the cicle of hatred, which will cause many fights. This is why it is a mistake, and it is a mistake that was made in the past, as in the past, some groups of society used to have many more rights than the population. This caused many of the fights and revolutions, which, different for the current actions, were movements to achieve equality of rights. The current behavior is the one in which there is a trial to give the privileges as some form of revenge or compensation, which, as I explained, will only cause more problems.

Why am I telling you this? My intention is to show everybody the problems that these people might cause, the very problem they claim to be trying to fight. Not only this, but there are some blind moralists here in NB.

So, let's use our brain, let's think in the consequences before we do something. "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it". We won't repeat the mistakes of the past. So, let's cut off the blind moralism, respect other people, and learn the meaning of words before using them.
Thanks for the attention, sorry for the long post.

 

[Hipster Madara]

I agree.
Homosexuals often get special treatment just because they are "different." Part of equality is none of this double standard BS.

 

[foxyladyland]

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I think people just act stupid for whatever the reason may be .. what else could I say, everyone is gay. x)
Whatever this thread is about though, I think everyone should be treated equally.
Especially serial killers. :]

 

[the big boss]

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I think people just act stupid for whatever the reason may be .. what else should I say, everyone is gay. x)

are you intersexed ?

 

[Hipster Madara]

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I think people just act stupid for whatever the reason may be .. what else could I say, everyone is gay. x)
Whatever this thread is about though, I think everyone should be treated equally.
Especially serial killers. :]

I don't find that attractive. :|

 

[the big boss]

I don't find that attractive. :|

then post your favorite female pornstars

 

[Alice in Noodleland]

that is why they were called blind moralists. i hope you see the point in your long speech.

I do accept and respect gays.

 

[Alice in Noodleland]

that is why they were called blind moralists. i hope you see the point in your long speech.

I do accept and respect gays.

 

[Pavoneo]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Double standards are everywhere across the world so it's inevitable that the same problem would happen with homosexuality. :| it sucks but that's how the world works.

 

[Arian]

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I think people just act stupid for whatever the reason may be .. what else could I say, everyone is gay. x)
Whatever this thread is about though, I think everyone should be treated equally.
Especially serial killers. :]

holy shit that pic lol

 

[Wolfus]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. Double standards are everywhere across the world so it's inevitable that the same problem would happen with homosexuality. :| it sucks but that's how the world works.

It's like I said. The same mistake was made before, but it was for the opposite group. Why would we make the stupidity to repeat the mistake?

 

[EDO TENSEl]

While you are making sense (and are correct, let's respect everyone), double standards are everywhere, not just in the homosexual world. It is the same for the whole not hitting women (even if she does hit you first) because they are not as strong as men, yet feminist would say they are equally as strong as men. While I can only speak of my own experience (not to bunch all feminists together), I have encountered feminists that will play this double standard and see nothing wrong with it. Sorry for deviating the topic, but this is the only first hand example I can give. My point being, everyone gets 'special treatment' at some point or another. And as you said, we do need to learn the meaning of words before we spew them out

 

[Wolfus]

While you are making sense (and are correct, let's respect everyone), double standards are everywhere, not just in the homosexual world. It is the same for the whole not hitting women (even if she does hit you first) because they are not as strong as men, yet feminist would say they are equally as strong as men. While I can only speak of my own experience (not to bunch all feminists together), I have encountered feminists that will play this double standard and see nothing wrong with it. Sorry for deviating the topic, but this is the only first hand example I can give. My point being, everyone gets 'special treatment' at some point or another. And as you said, we do need to learn the meaning of words before we spew them out

Indeed, you are correct. Feminists are just blind moralists that focuse on the privileges for women. The same things I describe happens with racism: blind moralists trying to make some compensation or revenge by giving black people more rights and privileges.
I get speechless with the inability that people display to notice that they're making the SAME MISTAKe they are supposed to be fighting against. They can't notice that these actions will only bring more problems, they can't understand even what equality means.
And then, trying to make what they want a reality, they force racism and homophobia into situations that there is nothing of them whatsover. It's dissapointing how stupid humans can be.

 

[EDO TENSEl]

Indeed, you are correct. Feminists are just blind moralists that focuse on the privileges for women. The same things I describe happens with racism: blind moralists trying to make some compensation or revenge by giving black people more rights and privileges.
I get speechless with the inability that people display to notice that they're making the SAME MISTAKe they are supposed to be fighting against. They can't notice that these actions will only bring more problems, they can't understand even what equality means.
And then, trying to make what they want a reality, they force racism and homophobia into situations that there is nothing of them whatsover. It's dissapointing how stupid humans can be.

Disgusting is an understatement. For racism, proponent of how racist whites are as a whole say that whites whine a lot and pull the 'reverse racism' card. Then go on to say that 'reverse racism' is impossible because it is not institutionalized. While on the surfaces that does make sense, it is institutionalized in some cases. For example, black only scholarship, or hispanic or whatever. That's institutionalized racism at some level. I have personally enjoyed some of those perks myself, and would do it again because school is effing expensive. But I still believe it is a bit biased.

 

[Fapulous]

Us homosexuals are always going to be treated differently, the same as with African Americans.

We have a long history of hate, and there is still homophobic people who live their lives only to make gay people's lives hell. Others, who aren't sure what it is, blindly follow what's the 'popular' thing to do.

My rights are not an option, but like you said, some people just blindly agree even though they have no idea about what they're fighting so hard to protect. We aren't women. We are just as strong in every physical way, and even more psychologically.

This world is full of double standards, and always will be. It's human nature.

 

[Wolfus]

Disgusting is an understatement. For racism, proponent of how racist whites are as a whole say that whites whine a lot and pull the 'reverse racism' card. Then go on to say that 'reverse racism' is impossible because it is not institutionalized. While on the surfaces that does make sense, it is institutionalized in some cases. For example, black only scholarship, or hispanic or whatever. That's institutionalized racism at some level. I have personally enjoyed some of those perks myself, and would do it again because school is effing expensive. But I still believe it is a bit biased.

They don't even understand racism. Racism is to hate, to discriminate, to have the desire to segregate or harm(in any way) a person for the very reason that the person is from a different race than the "agressor". This obviously goes for both sides. However, according to the moralists, black people can discriminate, because they are the "opressed minorities". The fight for privileges is quite obvious.

In my country, we have the program of quotas. This establishes that part of the vacancies of the universities are reserved for people who study in publick school and for black people when they do the national survey of high school, which is used as an entrance test for many universities. This is the way that our shitty government found to compensate slavery and to pretend that publick education's quality is increasing. Pretty unfair and stupid.

 

[Wolfus]

Us homosexuals are always going to be treated differently, the same as with African Americans.

We have a long history of hate, and there is still homophobic people who live their lives only to make gay people's lives hell. Others, who aren't sure what it is, blindly follow what's the 'popular' thing to do.

My rights are not an option, but like you said, some people just blindly agree even though they have no idea about what they're fighting so hard to protect. We aren't women. We are just as strong in every physical way, and even more psychologically.

This world is full of double standards, and always will be. It's human nature.

You're right, homossexuals are citizens, that's not up to debate. However, there is still disrespect. But disrespect will always be with us humans. Homophobia is just a disrespect and discrimination towards homossexuals. But it happens with many other groups. People disrespect each other all the time.
My point is that being an "opressed minority" is not a reason to give a group privileges. As I explained, privileges will only increase the hatred. It's the same mistake we did in the past. Repeating a mistake is completely stupid, so I'll fight against it, against privileges. Not only in this case, but I'll fight against any kind of privilege.
I only focused on this because blind moralists always think they are correct, so I'm proving them wrong.

 

[EDO TENSEl]

The issue is where we separate our rights from our privileges. More often then not, what we deem to be rights are merely privileges. And in order for us to get those privileges, sometimes, we trample upon other people's rights.

 

[Wolfus]

The issue is where we separate our rights from our privileges. More often then not, what we deem to be rights are merely privileges. And in order for us to get those privileges, sometimes, we trample upon other people's rights.

That's why I say people should get equal rights. When all the society has something, it won't be a privilege. Don't mistake this with socialism, though. People won't be equal, they will have the same rights, This is the best way to make sure that differences are respect, instead of pretending they don't exist.

This is also where anarchism fails. Without a government, without laws, society will not be better, as they are thinking. It's from the human nature the inability to accept and respect the diferences. Whenever facing differences, humans try to erase the differences. First, they try to impose their characteristics, thoughts and behaviors. If this fails, they will try to elimnate the root of the diference, the other group.

Without laws to limit our freedom, we'll think we can do anything, so we will follow our nature. We'll disrespect, fight and kill more than ever. It will be chaos.

 

[Deviation]

Normally ignoring people and doing your own thing isn't enough anymore. People are getting desperate that they can't do as they pleased before and instead innocent people get hurt in the process. It's sad that this happens all over the world and some of them live in fear for their whole lives. But I think, like you said, sometimes we confuse acceptance with agreement. While people can agree they will not partake in illegal actions you can't force them to accept the practice itself. In that, we get into the semantics of what are rights and deviate from its intended purpose. In the end, it depends on where the people want to go and to what lengths they will strive towards.