Well the manga officially states that perfect jins are immune to genjutsu considering the bijuu can stop it and when Sasuke used it on the bijuus Naruto was unaffected nor did he try to use it at all during the fight, as I've said the storyline in the movie is cannon but the action isn't, it's laughable that anybody's seriously considering using any movie feats for manga debates. It doesn't matter that Sakura woke him since its a movie based feat which goes against what the manga has shown us, that perfect jins can get out of genjutsu.
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Omar19992010
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We don't know the circumstances behind that tho, and even Naruto met all the other jins he was pretty much grouped with the rest who weren't perfect jins. As far as I can tell only bee and Naruto actually became friends with there respective bijuu.
Sasuke was aiming for the bijuus not Naruto, i think you should have known that....
Sasuke didn't his genjutsu on Naruto simply because of plot, Kishi aimed the fight to be via combat, genjutsu wasn't the only thing Sasuke didn't use during the fight which could have easily gave him the upper hand in the fight, just because he didn't use it doesn't mean its ineffective
And the movie could either be canon or non canon, you can't say some parts are canon while some are not, simply because you don't agree with it, the only perfect jin who could get out genjutsu currently is Bee, both Yagura and Naruto failed to show that feat so far
Sorrý to genjutsu. You met a wrong person. If the one cast genjutsu beside itachi, it will be useless, cause they will get tnjed back and die. The only reason naruto get in itachi genjutsu, lets look at what was genjutsu about first. To me it was completely harmless genjutsu back then.
If some one else casting án evil genjutsu on naruto, like tsukuyomi, naruto will simple not give up style and break out of it by will.
If some one else casting án evil genjutsu on naruto, like tsukuyomi, naruto will simple not give up style and break out of it by will.
Bee and Naruto we know went thru the same process which involved the water fall of truth. We know nothing on yagura other than the fact he was said to have perfect control over his bijuu, but that doesn't mean he was a true perfect jin, and its obvious the action sequences weren't done by kishi. I'm not nit picking since Naruto did several things in the movie I doubt he could do in the manga. But I'm pretty sure Sasuke who used genjutsu on a perfect jin before wouldn't use it on Naruto considering what happened between him and bee. Sasuke gave it all be had and chose to forego genjutsu. That pretty much means he deemed it as worthless as amaterasu.
Just because one perfect jin can dispel himself from genjutsu using his bijuu it doesn't automatically give the feat to every other perfect, both Yagura and Naruto were perfect jins and completely failed to show that feat
And like i said previously genjutsu wasn't the only thing that Sasuke didn't use during the fight that could have easily gave him the advantage, Sasukes goal was to kill Naruto but plot says otherwise
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Yagura wasn't shown to have done the process the same way Naruto and bee did so obviously he doesn't fit the criteria of a perfect jinchuuriki the same way Naruto does. And the scan said ppl who had perfect control over bijuu, yagura could have forced control over his bijuu which of course would mean that should he get caught in a genjutsu the bijuu wouldn't care. And just as you say we can't give feats to one character based off what another did, you can't compare yagura to Naruto or bee because we don't know how perfect his control real was. Naruto and bee went thru the same process, and Sasuke who used genjutsu on bee choose not to use it on Naruto. Obviously he knew what would have happened, kurama would have stopped it. Manga pretty much states this and it's feats shouldn't be taken in conjunction with a movie which kishi only had influence over, not total control. Just because the storyline is canon doesn't mean some of it isn't filler.
Doesn't matter what process you go under to become a perfect jin, doesn't make you better or worse then other, at the end of the day you can handle your bijuus chakra and communicate with it freely
Sasuke used his Sharingan genjutsu on Bee, his rinnegan genjutsu is in a entire different level, to the point it even shocked Hagoromo how effective it was, shouldn't be compared unless you see a MS/sharingan user can put 9 bijuus under its spell with a glance
Totally untrue and once again the scan doesn't say perfect jin but perfect control, yagura was compared to madara who the fox hates and not even hashirama had the friendship of the bijuu, so that scan does not prove anything.
Madara and Hashirama having control is completely different unlike them Yagura is a jin, in order for a jin to become a perfect jinchuuriki, he needs to have perfect control of his bijuus chakra while having some sort of communication, Madara simply used genjutsu to take control of Kurama while Hashirama used force
You don't know that though, the 3 tails isn't as strong as the 9 tails and for naruto and bee to gain perfect control over the bijuu they needed to go to the waterfalls of truth. No one ever references yagura going there so it's safe to assume that although he may have had perfect control over the bijuu that didn't make him a perfect jinchuuriki. The 3 tails wasn't his friend due to the fact that he couldn't conquer his hatred, something that the two current perfect jins solely have in common. Once again, perfect control is not the equivalent of a perfect jin.
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We don't know much about him but him being a perfect jin and having full control over his bijuu was pretty much confirmed, and thats the only thing we need to know to support my argument, how he achieved being a perfect jin really doesn't matter
That's just nit picking tho, he was included in a group of ppl that didn't have the trust of the bijuu and for the last time, perfect control isn't being a perfect jinchuuriki, the one person who was a perfect jin went thru the same process as Naruto who we never saw put into genjutsu after he gained perfect control. Obviously if Obito or Sasuke could have used genjutsu they would have yet they didn't, and you can call it plot all you want but any chance they could've used genjutsu when fighting others they did. When fighting Naruto they knew he was working with his bijuu so they obviously didn't want to waste time.
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You gave your opinion but it's obvious after dealing with a perfect jin he knew better, and perfect control does not mean the beast is your friend, madara and hashi can attest to that. The one thing we know about the current perfect jins is they had to conquer hate to reach that point. Yagura did not get the chance to do so. He doesn't compare to Naruto or bee.