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No worse than Nami or Boa but they get fans so....I really don't understand such craze for these two. The problem is that Naruto fanbase is really the toughest fanbase to please or at least one of such groups. No matter what the writers does they split down the middle and rage.

Naruto is absent from the manga for a few chapters:

Fan rage: " this manga is called Naruto where is he?"

Naruto is in every chapter:

Fan rage: " why Naruto is doing everything"

Ssuke is absent: " manga has gone to shit no sasuke."

Sasuke is back.

Fan rage" " why don't Kishi call the manga sasuke and be done with it."

Sakura does nothing:

" she is useless"

Sakura learns medical Jutsu

"Sakura is just a copy"

Naruto marries Hinata:

"no love was developed"

in case Naruto didn't marry Hinata:

Fan rage: He ignored her despite neji dying...

There was never a win win situation for Kishi with such responses.

Are these two character anything worth arguing over - no. Are they that badly written to attract such long discussions over them-- not at all.

Most women in shonnens are not going to get a front seat. There are few series they give them that chance. Unless of course they are also using them for massive fan service and balancing it out with sexual objectification. There are some but very few.
Boa and Nami are developed female characters unlike Sakura and hinata, dat sexist kishi doesn't care about females. :lol

You obviously don't know anything what did Sakura ever do to help develop the Story all she does is get in the way and then chase after her crush who tried to kill her and marry him.

She said she would kill him but couldn't.

Hinata has little to no screen time, lmao.

you're talking about how people bash Naruto yet i always see you bashing on one piece.
 
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No worse than Nami or Boa but they get fans so....I really don't understand such craze for these two. The problem is that Naruto fanbase is really the toughest fanbase to please or at least one of such groups. No matter what the writers does they split down the middle and rage.

Naruto is absent from the manga for a few chapters:

Fan rage: " this manga is called Naruto where is he?"

Naruto is in every chapter:

Fan rage: " why Naruto is doing everything"

Ssuke is absent: " manga has gone to shit no sasuke."

Sasuke is back.

Fan rage" " why don't Kishi call the manga sasuke and be done with it."

Sakura does nothing:

" she is useless"

Sakura learns medical Jutsu

"Sakura is just a copy"

Naruto marries Hinata:

"no love was developed"

in case Naruto didn't marry Hinata:

Fan rage: He ignored her despite neji dying...

There was never a win win situation for Kishi with such responses.

Are these two character anything worth arguing over - no. Are they that badly written to attract such long discussions over them-- not at all.

Most women in shonnens are not going to get a front seat. There are few series they give them that chance. Unless of course they are also using them for massive fan service and balancing it out with sexual objectification. There are some but very few.
Wow,wow,wow there Ira.

Hancock and Nami are love,Hancock and Nami are life.

Why are u even comparing Naruto with One Piece...it's so obvious that both characters from OP are better written.
 

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Boa and Nami are developed female characters unlike Sakura and hinata, dat sexist kishi doesn't care about females. :lol

You obviously don't know anything what did Sakura ever do to help develop the Story all she does is get in the way and then chase after her crush who tried to kill her and marry him.

She said she would kill him but couldn't.

Hinata has little to no screen time, lmao.

you're talking about how people bash Naruto yet i always see you bashing on one piece.
Oh please.. Everyone knows exactly what 'part' of them is developed the best.

No you don't know what sexism is if you cannot notice it in OP. To get screen time in OP they have to lose all their shirts. Sexual objectification of women is not called as caring about women. And you are the one bashing dear. I doubt you can see the difference between objective statement and emotional rage.

There are tons of mangas better than both these in terms of characterization. Strength of Naruto and OP didn't lie in female characterization. It's that simple.

Robin is the best female in One Piece.
That I can agree with.
 
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Character development for Nami- she was more interesting when she was introduced. Since then she is just there to show her bikini. Nami crying over random kids and getting overly sentimental and asking not to hit back even when they are attacking= lame. And while we see a gentleman Sanji sexually harassing his crew mate .... Some development for both.. And it's not even the only thing. Lately the situations where she was in compromising position - aka naked in most vulnerable poses also got added.
1.Once again this is not exclusive to Nami, all the character models in One Piece have changed. All women in One Piece have curves, and all the males got more buff. Zoro always has his shirt off and all he's been doing post timeskip is oozing manliness for the fangirls do you have a problem with that too?

2.You clearly didn't get why she was getting sentimental over the random kids....it was reminding her of her past because she was an orphan too, her leaving those kids behind would be the equivalent of Bellemere leaving Nami behind when she was a baby....this holds a special meaning to her.

3.Why did you bring Sanji up in this...we were talking about Nami's character, but it seems you can't hold back the real reason you have an issue with all of this. Not to mention this is nothing new, Sanji has always been a complete pervert did you forget about ?


Her purpose is providing a background support. That's all. Keep lying to yourself that she is more important than that when it's turning into a story of the "Ds". Even her clima tact that she wielded was built by Usopp for her and her first fight with it was ugh.
And I'm asking you what everyone else in the crews purpose is aside from Luffy, Zoro, Sanji? Heck with the addition of all the new characters even Zoro and Sanji don't have much screentime anymore. And what's wrong with the clima tact being built for her lol?

You didn't like the fight where she took down an enemy considerably stronger than her? Your opinion.


There was this Boa supposed shichibukai with a tragic past- another supposed great background story- but then somehow she loses her wits completely and all her lessons from the days of slavery is forgotten or as a shichibukai interacting with males all around, when she is running after luffy like a 9 year old idiot.
She hates everybody, Luffy is an exception because he is so pure of heart he didn't care about her past. And he made enemies with the very people who made her suffer.

I don't care about power level but what's else is there to show for the adult Boa? It's simply odd that someone with that background would be this naive as Boa was shown when it came to men. There are so many of them in OP just to play a sexist stereotype and to be mocked. And yes I know sexist joke get hit with men so of course it works. The same way sexual harassment sequence is just a bit to laugh off... That's why I said Naruto is taken too seriously- people complain about stupidest things and ignore real problematic aspect of sexism right there.
lol you are looking to deep into things. Also she lives in an island where men aren't even allowed to step into, what did you expect?

And yes I was laughing at all that stuff, there are so many more issues you can find if you're trying hard to break down comedy....but ofcourse you are highlighting the "sexist" aspect.

What about being abusive? That's used for comedy as well, beating on people is wrong as well why are we laughing at that? Nami is constantly abusing the men in the crew and she gets away with it just because she is female. Do you not see how that is sexist towards males?

See I can do it too If i try and make big issues out of comedic moments......

We are supposed to feel sorry for that 'nipple in mouth dressed as a baby bad guy' by the end of Franki's fight. ( I will let another sexist joke the stupid female opponent inserted here was - with 'please take care of me' line, slide. Not even talking about 'nipple lights' kind of jokes...). But when he was introduced he was snatching bras of women away that were standing beside him. And somehow we are to feel sorry for him now that we know he was actually in love with someone at a time. I mean really? So it was just to be brushed under the carpet that he is a creep otherwise...or does it excuse his behaviour with other women around him?
Really now you have an issue with nipple lights? My God I wonder what you do when you read these chapters stop torturing yourself, this manga is probably not for you.

And yea why not? In Naruto Obito had murdered thousands upon thousands and Kishi tried to make us feel sorry for him as well. Except that murder is much worse than stealing bras from women....

And you can blame the fandoms reactions with the quality of writing, people feel bad for Senior Pink because of how well Oda is with generating emotions in his flashbacks, Obito on the other hand would be the equivalent of Doflamingo being called the coolest guy by Luffy after he whoops his ass.



Adding a tragic sob story is not everything to writing you know. Some of the sexist joke I don't even mind- But I am going to call a spade, spade.
ok.



Thanks for pointing out how most characters really don't have much to do than follow the "D". ^^ And what makes you think that each member is not playing the role in Naruto? Naruto doesn't even tell story of others unless it's to move the the main plot.
Your welcome, just trying to let you know Nami is not exclusive to this.

You know how I know each member is not playing their role in Naruto because ....um maybe I hardly see them in the manga lol? What ever happened to konoha 11?

If you are not comparing power levels then women from both mangas are in the same boat more or less- i.e. they are secondary. Otherwise , Sakura actually manage to be there in the finale fight and do something. Hinata too was fighting on the front line along with Ino. Even Tenten got to wield Sage weapons. And as a nin both of them have been doing work variously. Hinata often as part of the scouting team and Sakura as a medic. Otherwise as a team, Kakashi's team is obviously going to hog the spot light and it does.
Sakura was in the final fight hurray, lets ignore how much she kept regressing as a character because of the last few chapters where she was given shallow power ups to redeem her character. And you just said not comparing power levels and you proceed to bring up power. Ignore that Sakura was an obsessive teen at the mercy of Sasuke because she got a powerup at the end? Ok...

Nice Hinata and Ino or rather fodder #24567 and fodder #45236 were fighting on the front lines like everybody else....that's nice to know. I'd love to see them more than a panel every 7 volumes.

Lol good ol Tenten, I love how you started your paragraph with "If you are not comparing power levels" and now you keep looking at powers for redemption, who is Tenten even? She picked up Sage tools and now she is a relevant character? Is that all there is to a character to you? What about her characterization which is as stagnant as a rock. Its like Kishi put no life in her whatsoever. Her partner Neji dies and all she does is say one , and then she even manages to crack jokes about him moments all Neji meant to her was a straight man role for the Gai and Lee jokes?

Real shallow stuff.

Women in OP are all assistants and most of them are starving for attention and marriage leaving fight midway and falling for the opponent...

Is that a better written women or a better written gag? We are not even comparing the writing skills here. Just portrayal of the women. Remember that?
Uh no we were comparing writing skill because you said Nami was just as bad as Sakura, people hate Sakura because she is terribly written. You keep complaining about Naruto being taken too seriously...its not that its just Naruto is horribly written, I already said this Bleach gets even more hate than Naruto for the same reason....this isn't exclusive to Naruto shitty writing is shitty writing, there are no exceptions to this.
 
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Oh please.. Everyone knows exactly what 'part' of them is developed the best.

No you don't know what sexism is if you cannot notice it in OP. To get screen time in OP they have to lose all their shirts. Sexual objectification of women is not called as caring about women. And you are the one bashing dear. I doubt you can see the difference between objective statement and emotional rage.

There are tons of mangas better than both these in terms of characterization. Strength of Naruto and OP didn't lie in female characterization. It's that simple.



That I can agree with.
But u are wrong once again.Nami clearly is and will always be a better written character than Sakura or Hinata.
She got her screen time even without being "naked" since u are aiming for that.

She actually was fightning and helping SH.Enies Lobby or whatever...Punk Hazard when she wanted to help the kids.

As for Hancock she is pretty badass when Luffy isn't near her.

All in all Hancock & Nami>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sakura & Hinata
 

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Oh please.. Everyone knows exactly what 'part' of them is developed the best.

No you don't know what sexism is if you cannot notice it in OP. To get screen time in OP they have to lose all their shirts. Sexual objectification of women is not called as caring about women. And you are the one bashing dear. I doubt you can see the difference between objective statement and emotional rage.

There are tons of mangas better than both these in terms of characterization. Strength of Naruto and OP didn't lie in female characterization. It's that simple.



That I can agree with.
The thing is all you care about is their bodies rather than their personalities, life experiences and how they contribute to the manga.

Yes OP can have a lot of fanservice and can be sexist but it still has a great story line and the author cares about each character he creates and doesn't just neglect them like Kishi did for example who would've thought that Laboon would actually be important in the future lmao the freaking whale is more relevant than Sakura.

Oda can be sexist with the whole body thing but he only does it because there are a lot of desperate readers out there that want it However, he still cares a lot for these characters.

did Sakura have a scene like that i don't think so...

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Without Nami The SH would get lost in the sea lmao...without Sakura hmm oh wait the manga would be a lot better since we don't have to waste pages on her. :lmao:

Scenes like this is what makes a good written character not some annoying girl who chases over some guy who almost killed her and wants to destroy her village...

Hancock is a really fun character and she helped luffy a ton without her he wouldn't be able to try and save his brother she will also get more development soon, also you talking trash about Hancock forgetting about her tragic past lol so if you had a tragic past you wouldn't get over it she still hates the Navy, the world government i think that's enough. she has a crush just like you probably did or do is there something wrong with it, i don't see why you're trying to find issues with female characters so you can complain about them.

At least Nami Has her own fights and actually wins unlike Sakura who only had 1 major fight in the whole series after the time skip and actually won.

She even admitted that she was useless, just talk.
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