Mitsuki's Story Opinions?
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Nah, Kishimoto won't.I dunno, this clone stuff can go pretty dark pretty fast XD
I have hopes
Just look at how they adopted all the onionhead Shins and had Mother Kabuto keeping watch over them in Gaiden.
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I didn't really like it.
Sure, the thing was not absolute crap like Sarada's Gaiden, but it would've surprised me if Kishimoto could get any worse, after "The Last", said "Naruto Gaiden" and the one-shot where Naruto became Hokage and Himawari awoke a Byakugan out of nowhere, like a Sharingan.
I expected the new generation to be much less powerful and focusing on development with an interesting story (of course >interesting< is relative). But it looks like it will be all the same old stuff again. Light and Darkness, clones, stupid superpowers etc. I'm kinda tired of this to be honest. In addition to that, the whole series is pretty much spoiled for me, after Kishimoto ruined everything in the last chapters and destroyed the entire concept of "true peace" that was implemented with the Pain-Arc and the conversation between Naruto and Nagato.
Maybe it is just me. Maybe I just have a very different definition of "true peace" than Kishimoto, but in my opinion, Naruto failed in every way and I'm not interested in watching the same stuff with new enemies over and over again.
The only thing that I really liked was Orochimaru's new design. Her casual outfit as well as her new ninja-outfit with the pinned-up hair matched my taste. The twist that the whole mission was a secret setup to make the young Mitsuki an independent individual was nice, but as, I guess Claymantan (?) said somewhere (don't know where anymore), it looks pointless because the adult Mitsuki seems to be an independent individual already.
Sure, the thing was not absolute crap like Sarada's Gaiden, but it would've surprised me if Kishimoto could get any worse, after "The Last", said "Naruto Gaiden" and the one-shot where Naruto became Hokage and Himawari awoke a Byakugan out of nowhere, like a Sharingan.
I expected the new generation to be much less powerful and focusing on development with an interesting story (of course >interesting< is relative). But it looks like it will be all the same old stuff again. Light and Darkness, clones, stupid superpowers etc. I'm kinda tired of this to be honest. In addition to that, the whole series is pretty much spoiled for me, after Kishimoto ruined everything in the last chapters and destroyed the entire concept of "true peace" that was implemented with the Pain-Arc and the conversation between Naruto and Nagato.
Maybe it is just me. Maybe I just have a very different definition of "true peace" than Kishimoto, but in my opinion, Naruto failed in every way and I'm not interested in watching the same stuff with new enemies over and over again.
The only thing that I really liked was Orochimaru's new design. Her casual outfit as well as her new ninja-outfit with the pinned-up hair matched my taste. The twist that the whole mission was a secret setup to make the young Mitsuki an independent individual was nice, but as, I guess Claymantan (?) said somewhere (don't know where anymore), it looks pointless because the adult Mitsuki seems to be an independent individual already.
Old habits die hard. He manipulates people in doing the things he wants them to do rather than telling them to do it, when he wants cordial relation with them. Kabuto, Kimimaro, that Crustal user whose name I cannot remember at the moment... all the kids did exactly what he wanted but thought it was their decision. Luckily for Mitsuki he wanted better thing- at least I hope so.
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Hopefully the new writer can build upon the foundations laid down by this one-shot and integrated its elements smoothly in the upcoming monthly series.
Many others as well as myself knew exactly where this manga was heading with all peace talk- something like UN. Because peace is a status not a fruit or medal. It's the time between two wars. And people need to find compromises on the table to make this time longer. If you were expecting some utopian definition or personal peace where Naruto moves in a cave on top of mountain peek for eternity this wasn't going to happen. Unrealistic expectations only lead to disappointments.
That's the point you know- you disagree with the view writer presented and you are not in to story anymore but still keep coming back for more.
What I say often enough is that- people shouldn't be forcing themselves to read a story they have lost interest in to. It only makes you dissatisfied and with time the feeling of annoyance will only increase. Because you are not doing because you want it but because you think you have a right to read it, annoy yourself and then rant over it. ( you do have the right but it's nothing positive about it)
It's like a marriage that has ended with no empathy remaining for each other but partners are still living together just because they had been doing it for a decade and even indulge in a 3 minute intimacy at times. But unlike a marriage where you may still have certain mutual material benefits attached or kids to think about there is nothing between you and the manga to force you to continue only to bash after each make out session.
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I don't think this is a fair take. Naruto has plenty of surprisingly good moments that are noticeably above the quality of the rest. I don't agree with Danzo at all, but his moment in the story was a high point for the manga, as were Kakuzu and Hidan's entry into the manga. I don't like the way Naruto and Sasuke's conflict was resolved, necessarily (I'm indifferent to it), but I thought their last conversation before dispelling IT was quite touching. It's completely reasonable and not innately negative to piece out what you like in the manga and be disappointed that it's not always up to that same standard. Everyone has this same kind of reception. No-one's (well, maybe some people) always "this is all bad" (granted, there are people who are like "this is all good," in which case, more power to them).
There's a fair number of people who responded at lukewarmly to disinterestedly to Gaiden and the Mitsuki one-shot. Besides, if enough people have a negative reception (I doubt it, in the case of Naruto), it might change the writer's tactics. I mean, Kishi's a troll, so Gaiden was him trolling people about SasukeXKarin, but it's pretty clear he's impacted by people's critical response regardless.
In any case, it's not like people are going around saying "You shouldn't enjoy this because it's bad." Part of keeping the base healthy and hospitable is allowing people to express negative reactions to things happening in the manga.
And jeez, that sexual simile was brutal XD
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I liked Orochimaru's bun. A single chapter like this was able to develop something and someone greatly. Perfect ten
That's the time of happy days of marriage.
That's just fine. But claiming that the manga/hero failed in every way when it did entertain you for a fair amount of time is not that reasonable. Besides it's been two years since manga ended and it's same complaints by the same people. It gets tiresome.
There were times when I skipped the manga- frankly having to mod this section on manga days ruined most of the fun for me for Naruto- People throw spoiler all around and start screaming even before they have read the chapter themselves. Asking questions, making theories and discussions even before the chapter came out-- just because they heard a spoiler and all the BS behaviour like that. But once I read a few chapters of the infamous war arc afterwards in a row they were not that bad. Some of it was pretty good. It had problems of unequal pacing and later on was rushed, some was meh but I understand what mangka was trying to do. I don't have to agree with everything he said but I understand the motivation behind. It's his take on the situation and he had a right to present it just as I have and I cannot call it a failure because his solution was different than me.
I can only criticize his craft- if he could put it well or not. Some of the things were presented beautifully- Sasuke monologue chapter was one of the best chapters. Some was not so well done- Sakura.
How you word your critique matters- just as a bad dialogue in the manga invited critique, yours ( and mine for that matter) is going to be criticized too. You are not exempted just because you were reacting to manga- people will react to your reaction and it will go on.
There is a pattern about a fair number of people who are complaining- I know when I see a person whining using 5-8 alts. Making threads from more than one alt for sure. I can spot person who was posting a thread with deplorable image with a title 'Naruto new gen', 2 days before the chapter was out and gives it a rating of zero when it's out. All this besides several posts since last two years - the trolling the bashing.. These people are not critics. They are trolls and here for baiting.
Dead wrong. They have been going around saying this very thing multiple times- literally bashing and insulting people for liking something they didn't like telling them they are stupid for it. We often end up removing the stuff but you may still find some if you look hard enough.
It's healthy only if the critique is being given with healthy attitude and not for baiting and ruining fun of others. The activity in this section attracts people who are not even reading the manga or never were in to the fandom to begin with and still have hundred of posts from this section alone. Half of them complain their own mangas are not read by this many people even though it's better in their opinion-one of the most common topic of many threads that we had to remove.
Negative behaviour that resembles trolling more than genuine wish to discuss, repels genuine fans from enjoying the series and they have rights too, to not deal with irrational negativity. They shouldn't be made to feel bad for liking it either. It's the Naruto section after all and where we have a community for Naruto lovers.
It's true though.
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I think she meant that Naruto, the character, failed to create peace in every way, and that that frustrated her. But I can't speak for KonanX. XD It's just a critique I've seen levied at the ending a lot, that Naruto's peace wasn't really different from anything that had come before. I think it's a fair critique; at least, I don't think it's needlessly negative. I don't think she was saying that Naruto is a total failure at life or that the entire manga is a failure.
I can understand this.
I dunno, it depends. If a message produced by the author is fundamentally problematic, we can critique what the author was trying to do, not only his craft. An example of this is when situations like Karin talking about how good being stabbed felt occur.
I'm not saying critiques shouldn't be immune from critiques, I'm just saying that based on what I understood, you were saying that there was nothing positive about critiquing/expressing dissatisfaction, and I disagreed with that.
Damn, that blows. Everything is always way worse than I think, it's annoying. XD I don't think the people in this thread specifically were acting this way, though. A bunch of people expressed positive opinions, and no one was trying to take them down. But you're the mod, you would know better than me if people have been using alts to troll elsewhere. I'm not asking.
I felt like this thread and the posts in it were all pretty healthy though.
Like I said, I don't think that's what was happening here.
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Exactly, especially the bold part. Thanks.
But nowadays, it seems that having an opinion that is not written in a political-correct way is a crime. I know better for the next time.
Recently whenever I see her she is in the same mode- if there was some different unique practical and permanent solution for peace - after so many religious and social leaders, intellectuals and statesmen around the world - someone would have found it.
Sure- but she was not talking about that- she mentioned dissatisfaction with the solution and that she was expecting something else.
BTW- when did Karin say that- I would like to take a look. Because she was actually stabbed she wasn't feeling good at all.
Not criticizing problematic part is asking for more of it.
But " I wanted Kishi to write story this way" is different than the premise "Kishi ought to have done things this way only".
Well I suppose you are not that regular in this section. Many of the normal members who hang in here often are able to spot them just as well even without mod tools.Damn, that blows. Everything is always way worse than I think, it's annoying. XD I don't think the people in this thread specifically were acting this way, though. A bunch of people expressed positive opinions, and no one was trying to take them down. But you're the mod, you would know better than me if people have been using alts to troll elsewhere. I'm not asking.
I felt like this thread and the posts in it were all pretty healthy though.
Like I said, I don't think that's what was happening here.
Besides, you were talking in general terms and I replied in the same tone. I am not talking about this particular thread only.
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Here are the scans: Chapter 635.
I misquoted her slightly. She doesn't specify that being stabbed felt good. She says that his attempt to kill her felt good.
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I'm generally pretty surprised by how much people overlooked this. :/
Ah that...
Because there is nothing to dwell upon? it was clear that she was talking rubbish just to defend her attraction towards Sasuke to Suigetsu, who instantly called her upon her behaviour- she said she liked it and then instantly she retracted that sentence- she is in fact quite conflicted there.
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See how she says stuff to justify herself and yet herself doesn't agree with what she is saying. I highlighted the opposite sentiments in between.
Letting yourself be drained of chakra when you are not willing cannot be that fun especially since Tusande was quite spent. She still did though because of the situation. Rest of the bickering between the two of them was just taking away the horrible imagery surrounding it- half cut bodies and almost dead kages around. If the panel was colored, it would be bloody.
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Well okay then, I don't really see why she would say something like "it felt so good" if that wasn't in her head somewhere. Still think it's a very strange thing to have a character say after you were supposedly having her realize that Sasuke had changed, with the moment of realization being when he stabbed her. Even if he wanted her to relapse, for whatever reason, he didn't have to have her say something weird like that. But anyway, agree to disagree.
For all I know she probably switched to her thought about the time Sasuke bit her and then realized she mentioned the stabbing and went back to clarify- Suigetsu questioned her sentence because it was awkward and made little sense.
That would be my guess anyway- since I myself end up with messed up sentences when thinking of too many things at the same time. >_>
It's hard to know what Kishimote meant since we are not reading it in Japanese. Unless you are reading it in original and are familiar with local way of talking translation can mess things up. It has happened several times in Naruto.
The only thing I liked in this chapter was seeing a cool sage mode Mitsuki and thats all! As for the reality of it I don't know why Orochimaru's been roaming free without punishment!?? He stole embryos and did unforgivable, unethical genetic experimentation and straight out manipulated nature! Plus his character is so evil and fishy I cannot forgive him! I can understand Madara, Obito and Itachi's reasons for revenge, war or whatever but Oro had no reasons but to play God! I cannot relate with his character at any point! So thats it! As for frienship part I don't see the same connection between Mitsuki and Boruto as Naruto and Sasuke!
For the same reason Sasuke and Kabuto, I suppose. Besides they are keeping an eye on him. So it's like probation.
Genetic experimentation and cloning are being done in RL as we speak...
Oro said he wasn't playing God- as a scientist ( evil and manipulative but he is still a scientist) his attempts to create a life is hardly worse that so many people trying to find perfect custom kids these days...
Mitsuki seem to get along well with others so far. There are more than one ways to connect with someone. Why does it have to be the same?
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The story was good. Not something that outstanding but good. I did not feel much through out the story to be honest. The only badass moment was Mistsuki's Sage mode transformation. I wish Mitsuki was Toneri's child. I would have loved his connection with Toneri.
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I thought it was pretty solid. I was glad that Oro didn't end up losing to that fodder in a couple of panels, and it was nice to see Oro as a parent. I like the fact that even though the messages and values Orochimaru is trying to inculcate in his child are right, namely to always think for himself and not blindly follow others, he still does it in a sly and underhanded way. This means that even though he has become one of the "good guys", he hasn't lost a salient feature of his character which is his sneakiness. My only real gripe with the chapter was the "Sun/Moon" parallelism between Boruto and Mitsuki. That has been overdone so much that at this point any blind Freddie can predict it will be roped in somehow between any main characters in the franchise. Overall, I thought it was decent. 7 or 8/10.