Mitsuki's Story Opinions?
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Ambivalence
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Looks like you more or less share my opinion. The chapter was unexpectedly good, a large part of which was because my expectations were extremely low. It started of kinda shady, and at half way I practically grabbed my torch and pitch fork, more specifically when Orochimaru seemingly lost to a 2-paged character, but, believe it or not, as soon as the samurai took of his mask I guessed correctly (sort of) what was going on.
That alone trumps the entirety of Gaiden when it comes to mystery and suspense, in my opinion. Now, what I had no idea about and I really liked was that this sequence apparently happened 6 times before, and Mitsuki made the wrong choice each time. Why did I like that? Well, aside from it being unexpected, this time it seems like the Moon isn't all-knowing and perfect. On top of that, Orochimaru actually bothered to do something banal several times for a synthetic human. All evidence points to him actually becoming a caring parent... somehow. I'm definitely not a big fan of his character change, but that is good development for him.
What I really disliked, however, was the mention of the Sun and Moon. Just stop. Enough with the duality, it can work out just fine without it.
For me: 7.5/10, while Gaiden is still a 3 in my book.
That alone trumps the entirety of Gaiden when it comes to mystery and suspense, in my opinion. Now, what I had no idea about and I really liked was that this sequence apparently happened 6 times before, and Mitsuki made the wrong choice each time. Why did I like that? Well, aside from it being unexpected, this time it seems like the Moon isn't all-knowing and perfect. On top of that, Orochimaru actually bothered to do something banal several times for a synthetic human. All evidence points to him actually becoming a caring parent... somehow. I'm definitely not a big fan of his character change, but that is good development for him.
What I really disliked, however, was the mention of the Sun and Moon. Just stop. Enough with the duality, it can work out just fine without it.
For me: 7.5/10, while Gaiden is still a 3 in my book.
I thought it was pretty damn good actually. I was a little irritated when Orochimaru seemingly was about to lose to what I assumed was going to be a fodder, but the following pages did not disappoint. Don't know about anyone else but I actually felt a kind of twist was coming so the ending was not really a surprise. Felt a bit weird reading Orochimaru's "I love you" lines too, but I can get over that. I don't really like this whole sage mode right from the start thing from Mitsuki, but maybe it'll be better explained later.
Definitely at least an 8/10 in my opinion.
Definitely at least an 8/10 in my opinion.
Far superior to Gaiden in terms of both characters and plot:
Adult Mitsuki was a good concept (I hope this doesn't foreshadow another nii-san obsession) and damned if he doesn't look like a cross between Tobirama and James Dean.
The mysterious samurai served a purpose and wasn't just to troll the readers.
Although others are saying that Oro is a loving parent, he's still self-entitled and abusive in his methods. No, Oro, just because something is done in the name of love, it isn't automatically ok. Wiping Mitsuki's memory clean 6 times? Weird as hell, but 100% Oro.
And that snake sage mode was surprising, especially given Mitsuki's age.
I do love Kishi's artstyle :flowers
But:
Not the moon/sun thing again. Boruto might have yang chakra nature, but he isn't the "sun" type. Doesn't he want to be like Sasuke?
Not the rebellious "I'm not listening to what you say, parental figure" - coincidentally similar to Boruto. And Sarada.
If the New Gen team dynamic is going to be Mitsuki chasing Boruto who's chasing Sarada, it's vaguely like Naruto chasing Sakura who's chasing Sasuke, although slightly less superficial.
So 6/10.
Adult Mitsuki was a good concept (I hope this doesn't foreshadow another nii-san obsession) and damned if he doesn't look like a cross between Tobirama and James Dean.
The mysterious samurai served a purpose and wasn't just to troll the readers.
Although others are saying that Oro is a loving parent, he's still self-entitled and abusive in his methods. No, Oro, just because something is done in the name of love, it isn't automatically ok. Wiping Mitsuki's memory clean 6 times? Weird as hell, but 100% Oro.
And that snake sage mode was surprising, especially given Mitsuki's age.
I do love Kishi's artstyle :flowers
But:
Not the moon/sun thing again. Boruto might have yang chakra nature, but he isn't the "sun" type. Doesn't he want to be like Sasuke?
Not the rebellious "I'm not listening to what you say, parental figure" - coincidentally similar to Boruto. And Sarada.
If the New Gen team dynamic is going to be Mitsuki chasing Boruto who's chasing Sarada, it's vaguely like Naruto chasing Sakura who's chasing Sasuke, although slightly less superficial.
So 6/10.
Claymantan
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Nah, I was just being facetious.
It is weird that he went to all of that. I get that he wanted Mitsuki to find his own path of his own accord and it would be more meaningful that way.
But, Orochimaru could have just told the kid (yeah, it would be less impactful since Mitsuki would not find the answer on his own but the same result would happen with less effort at least) that he was free to make his own decisions and respected him as a child/human instead of just another experiment.
Claymantan
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Yeah, this is why I said the whole thing with Mitsukirama and Mitsuki was kind of weird.
Well, I have a theory. I'm not really a theory person, but early on in Part 1, Orochimaru said this:
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So I mean, even though we generally associate Orochimaru with Sasuke, he acknowledged Naruto's impact on Sasuke. And throughout the manga, based on what he observed with characters who became strong because they wanted to protect something, like Itachi, maybe he figured that if Mitsuki learned to desire to protect someone on his own, he would become much stronger. Since Boruto is Naruto's child, maybe he figured he could pull the same thing off with Mitsuki. I dunno.
It'll probably be something approximate to this.
But he could have just told him it's important to find something/someone to protect in order to maintain or acquire strength (as it motivates).
I guess he thought that if Mitsuki found it all on his own, then the feeling would be more genuine. Dat Oro. :sdo3:
Don't say you're not a theory person, that is probably true actually.
LoZelda101
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LoZelda101
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Are people still actually treating Gaiden as a standalone story? Lame.
It isn't, and never was. It was just the lead up to the film; the runway to the flight. Either way, this one shot wasn't even better than Gaiden. The pacing was crap, Oro's character got dumped on even more, Suigetsu may as well be dead and the limited fighting that took place was insipid. I got half way through and lost interest; a first for me with this series.
This wasn't a story, it was a cluster of scenes vaguely intertwined. The only thing of note was Mitsuki's SM, may as well have bunched that into Zai no Sho instead of wasting paper like this. Kishi's lowest point so far.
2.4/5 for the only two good panels out of 40 or so pages.
It isn't, and never was. It was just the lead up to the film; the runway to the flight. Either way, this one shot wasn't even better than Gaiden. The pacing was crap, Oro's character got dumped on even more, Suigetsu may as well be dead and the limited fighting that took place was insipid. I got half way through and lost interest; a first for me with this series.
This wasn't a story, it was a cluster of scenes vaguely intertwined. The only thing of note was Mitsuki's SM, may as well have bunched that into Zai no Sho instead of wasting paper like this. Kishi's lowest point so far.
2.4/5 for the only two good panels out of 40 or so pages.
It's a spin-off continuation which took place after the end of the original 700 chapters. Yes, it's the same characters- but that would be why people considered it to be its own short story.
How exactly was the pacing crap?
How was Orochimaru ruined more? His plan finally succeeded in this. He finally stopped being a flat character (well- he received development during the war arc of the original series, but this was more for him). The only complaint I can think of is that people might feel uncomfortable with him becoming a better person after all he's done.
Suigetsu already lost relevance the moment the Hokages were brought back during the war arc and he started cowering like a fool/started being comic relief. His character hasn't changed from that point.
It's a fight with an 11 yr old (which is limited to begin with and even moreso given he's lost his memories 6 times) and was probably better than the nerfs Sasuke/Naruto received against Shin in Gaiden.
How would you have fixed it exactly? What would be your plot for Mitsuki's backstory?
Thank you for commenting btw. Just asking all of this to know what you would have liked to see instead.
Because I don't have telepathy to communicate with you and I wanted to hear others' thoughts.(':
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The pacing was too light-footed. Orochimaru was the best villain in the series; charismatic, warped, a genius and pure evil... He was one of the least flat characters in the series. Shivers I too had his strong points as a character but in this "story", he was lifeless and looked like he wanted to hang himself at points. 11 year old Mitsuki was as developed in combat as kid Naruto and Sasuke... and they had some memorable battles. Besides in Gaiden, Naruto genuinely would've been rusty because he sits in a office all day nowadays and as for Sasuke, he's not going to feel the need to go all out against enemies of that calibre.It's a spin-off continuation which took place after the end of the original 700 chapters. Yes, it's the same characters- but that would be why people considered it to be its own short story.
How exactly was the pacing crap?
How was Orochimaru ruined more? His plan finally succeeded in this. He finally stopped being a flat character (well- he received development during the war arc of the original series, but this was more for him). The only complaint I can think of is that people might feel uncomfortable with him becoming a better person after all he's done.
Suigetsu already lost relevance the moment the Hokages were brought back during the war arc and he started cowering like a fool/started being comic relief. His character hasn't changed from that point.
It's a fight with an 11 yr old (which is limited to begin with and even moreso given he's lost his memories 6 times) and was probably better than the nerfs Sasuke/Naruto received against Shin in Gaiden.
How would you have fixed it exactly? What would be your plot for Mitsuki's backstory?
Thank you for commenting btw. Just asking all of this to know what you would have liked to see instead.
Because I don't have telepathy to communicate with you and I wanted to hear others' thoughts.(':
Don't care about Mitsuki's backstory tbh, but the whole Oro-Mitsuki relationship was junk. Oro should be distant and indifferent, with Mitsuki reciprocating that because that's what their personalities dictate. The worst thing about this story is one thing I never even caught onto in all the anticipation... is that Mitsuki's past is completely inconsequential and always destined to be dull. With that in mind, it's not surprising that the story revolved around a very boring plot of testing whether Mitsuki can exercise independent thought. The more I think about that, the more ludicrous it sounds that something like this was published.
Publishing a story about whether a supporting character can think for himself... you can't even call it anticlimactic because it's flat from start to finish. You couldn't fix it either because there's nothing you can make up for him that hasn't already been done. At best, you could weave some story about an interesting mission he went on with Oro (and not the fake, boring one on offer here), that sees them team up to figure out/defeat something together.
I can see them working well as a team on missions, with them being the calm and intelligent types, but the whole luvy-wuvey stuff was just bad.