Misconception: Obito never used MS genjutsu to control the kyuubi

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U said they were friends ffs.
Since when other shinobies get sharingan eyes under genjutsu, dear moron.
FU, ur not reading a manga? I would but ur far too biased
Oh really? Where is izuna's design in that? Or even madara's. Its not MS its not EMS its base.

Became one after restraining. Juugo only obeys to a stronger one, who can stop him from killing by any means, not just friendship.

1. So did you... You just added anyone who can stop him from killing.

2. My point was there was no visual of his eyes which means kishi is implying Sasuke is using a simple genjutsu when it zooms in on his eye. So there's a difference between controlling and genjutsu. Controlling uses genjutsu to subdue or utilize the person. Genjutsu does not use controlling.

3. Show the scan of Kurama saying that. You won't because there's no such scan *_*

4. Look closely... Stop saying stuff and actually look at things.

 

[AlphaScythian]

1. So did you... You just added anyone who can stop him from killing.

I never implied that friendship was the reason, however juugo learned to obey right away after learned of sasuke's power.

2. My point was there was no visual of his eyes which means kishi is implying Sasuke is using a simple genjutsu when it zooms in on his eye. So there's a difference between controlling and genjutsu. Controlling uses genjutsu to subdue or utilize the person. Genjutsu does not use controlling.

Human target doesnt have sharingan eyes under genjutsu. Example yagura or mifune. Possibly not even all bijus have since some have ****ed up eyes.

3. Show the scan of Kurama saying that. You won't because there's no such scan *_*

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4. Look closely... Stop saying stuff and actually look at things.

Take a look at ems

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How can u confuse that?

 

[Prince Charles]

I never implied that friendship was the reason, however juugo learned to obey right away after learned of sasuke's power.
Human target doesnt have sharingan eyes under genjutsu. Example yagura or mifune. Possibly not even all bijus have since some have ****ed up eyes.
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Take a look at ems

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How can u confuse that?

Nice counter.

 

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I never implied that friendship was the reason, however juugo learned to obey right away after learned of sasuke's power.
Human target doesnt have sharingan eyes under genjutsu. Example yagura or mifune. Possibly not even all bijus have since some have ****ed up eyes.
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How can u confuse that?

1. Juugo even said he'd listen to Sasuke, because Kimimaro gave his life to protect him...

2.That's my point...

3. Good find, though Sasuke didn't directly control Kurama like you're trying to pass off. All he did was suppress the tiny bit of chakra that seeped out Naruto's seal as he was getting mad. That feat is not even close to Jiraiya re-sealing Naruto's seal after he opened the whole thing. Though, I do commend you on finding that scan. It's not that great a feat, but you found it.

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Now look back at your scan previously, and compare that to the 3 tomoe...

 

[Masked Man Obito]

Rinnegan has no power in subduing bijus, otherwise pain wouldnt have problem with kyuubi. It leaves sharingan only.


Kakashi is no uchiha, it requires alot of chakra and powerful one.

It was also said that base sharingan cant match MS prowess. Everything depends on the user.
Manga feats > manga statements.

Ah no, how about the Outer Path ability of the Rinnegan? It would be chakra-consuming if Obito controls the 6 tailed beasts with his Sharingan. And he didn't even allow the reincarnated jincurikis to use each of the Six Paths technique because of massive chakra-consumption he uses to bind the Bijuus under his reign.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Ah no, how about the Outer Path ability of the Rinnegan? It would be chakra-consuming if Obito controls the 6 tailed beasts with his Sharingan. And he didn't even allow the reincarnated jincurikis to use each of the Six Paths technique because of massive chakra-consumption he uses to bind the Bijuus under his reign.

Outer path is raw restraining technique not control.

 

[AlphaScythian]

1. Juugo even said he'd listen to Sasuke, because Kimimaro gave his life to protect

After, sasuke said he could and would act as a cage.

2.That's my point...

Well if u agree, then whats the problem?

3. Good find, though Sasuke didn't directly control Kurama like you're trying to pass off. All he did was suppress the tiny bit of chakra that seeped out Naruto's seal as he was getting mad. That feat is not even close to Jiraiya re-sealing Naruto's seal after he opened the whole thing. Though, I do commend you on finding that scan. It's not that great a feat, but you found it.

Dont. Kurama said my power, not a tiny bit that seeped. Sasuke didnt push chakra away he mind raped kurama to back off.

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Now look back at your scan previously, and compare that to the 3 tomoe...

I did, u need to go to the oculist...

 

[NarutoKage2]

Controlled juubi? He tamed its chakra nothing more, it was sealed in him anyway.
U need a scan to know kakashi not uchiha? And has low stamina? The very same scan we used here say all u ask for, read...
Suppressing is considered control. Even if sasuke with 3t not good enough to effectively control, he displayed the power to neutralize kurama.
Obito controls mindless zombies, no problems so far. The only problem he has is with bijus, here he used both chains and sharingan

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Exactly. Both chains and sharingan, the chains come from the rinnegan path connected to the mazou. You on the other hand claimed only the sharingan can control a bijju, this has never been shown nor implied. What sasuke did was in narutos subconscious, he didnt do shit to kurama himself with just the tomoes.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Exactly. Both chains and sharingan, the chains come from the rinnegan path connected to the mazou. You on the other hand claimed only the sharingan can control a bijju, this has never been shown nor implied. What sasuke did was in narutos subconscious, he didnt do shit to kurama himself with just the tomoes.

Outer path, namely chains are just restraining technique, sharingan is control. Sasuke in naruto's mind or not, couldnt have done anything else but convince kurama to take a hike with his pretty eyes, it means that sasuke is powerful enough to dictate his will and thus has credible chance in controlling it.
Mind u that obito too assumed control over kurama in kushina's mind.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Outer path, namely chains are just restraining technique, sharingan is control. Sasuke in naruto's mind or not, couldnt have done anything else but convince kurama to take a hike with his pretty eyes, it means that sasuke is powerful enough to dictate his will and thus has credible chance in controlling it.
Mind u that obito too assumed control over kurama in kushina's mind.

Ok, your a Sasuke fanboy.

3 tomoe Sasuke with his gay eyes could'nt dream of doing what Obito managed to pull off that night, there is no comparison between the 2. That was a petty feat by Sasuke, all he really did was to push back a tiny portion of the kyuubi's chakra that was leaking from naruto's seal, Orochimaru did basically the same thing when he placed the 5 symbol seal on naruto in part 1. While Oro's seal required an opposing one to counter it, Sasuke's temporary suppression subsided immediately. It was NOTHING like whats needed to actually control a tailed beast. Amazing you don't know the difference.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Ok, your a Sasuke fanboy.
3 tomoe Sasuke with his gay eyes could'nt dream of doing what Obito managed to pull off that night, there is no comparison between the 2. That was a petty feat by Sasuke, all he really did was to push back a tiny portion of the kyuubi's chakra that was leaking from naruto's seal, Orochimaru did basically the same thing when he placed the 5 symbol seal on naruto in part 1. While Oro's seal required an opposing one to counter it, Sasuke's temporary suppression subsided immediately. It was NOTHING like whats needed to actually control a tailed beast. Amazing you don't know the difference.

Amazing that u dont know how shit works. How does sharingan or sasuke even able to push any chakra anywhere?
Sasuke has managed to suppress kurama by influencing kurama's mind into redrawing that chakra.
While chakra that leaked may be small, it wasnt a chakra that sasuke attacked but kurama's will. Will of kurama isnt bound by seal therefore stays at full power.
As i proved b4, both obito and madara used 3t to seize control of kurama, sasuke most likely can do that too.

So u are left w/o arguments and call me fanboy while sprouting ur speculations? I guess i win

 

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Amazing that u dont know how shit works. How does sharingan or sasuke even able to push any chakra anywhere?
Sasuke has managed to suppress kurama by influencing kurama's mind into redrawing that chakra.
While chakra that leaked may be small, it wasnt a chakra that sasuke attacked but kurama's will. Will of kurama isnt bound by seal therefore stays at full power.
As i proved b4, both obito and madara used 3t to seize control of kurama, sasuke most likely can do that too.

So u are left w/o arguments and call me fanboy while sprouting ur speculations? I guess i win

Then how come when Naruto's seal had not been broken before, Kurama's will had come out with the seeping chakra. Naruto went into his red cloak form and could not control himself. It was the will of Kurama. Thus, your argument that Kurama's will does not travel with the chakra is proved flawed by manga. To prove you wrong even further, had it been the entire will of Kurama, he would have simply broken out. Why didn't he, because Naruto's will power was greater than that of the portion of Kurama's chakra. Though we know, Naruto's will power is simply not enough for the entirety of him, as Jiraiya got owned in part 1 by the full chakra, and he needed his mom to help suppress Kurama's chakra.

Again, based on the manga facts, Sasuke broke the will of the tiny chunk of Kurama's chakra. A feat which has been done by Naruto by himself, without any seals.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Amazing that u dont know how shit works. How does sharingan or sasuke even able to push any chakra anywhere?
Sasuke has managed to suppress kurama by influencing kurama's mind into redrawing that chakra.
While chakra that leaked may be small, it wasnt a chakra that sasuke attacked but kurama's will. Will of kurama isnt bound by seal therefore stays at full power.
As i proved b4, both obito and madara used 3t to seize control of kurama, sasuke most likely can do that too.

So u are left w/o arguments and call me fanboy while sprouting ur speculations? I guess i win

If after this entire thread, you still think that Madara and Obito used 3t to tame the kyuubi, then there's no point in arguing with u. The manga and logic are'nt enough to slap you out of your stupidity and fanboyism, then idk wat is.

 

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If after this entire thread, you still think that Madara and Obito used 3t to tame the kyuubi, then there's no point in arguing with u. The manga and logic are'nt enough to slap you out of your stupidity and fanboyism, then idk wat is.

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[AlphaScythian]

Then how come when Naruto's seal had not been broken before, Kurama's will had come out with the seeping chakra. Naruto went into his red cloak form and could not control himself. It was the will of Kurama. Thus, your argument that Kurama's will does not travel with the chakra is proved flawed by manga. To prove you wrong even further, had it been the entire will of Kurama, he would have simply broken out. Why didn't he, because Naruto's will power was greater than that of the portion of Kurama's chakra.

Where did i deny that will and chakra go together? But chakra can be divided separated expanded, will cannot.
Kuramas will isnt bound by seal, chakra is thus kurama cant escape. That chakra that leaked had no will of its own it still was linked to kurama. So ur claims that sasuke suppressed the will of that tiny chakra are pathetic.

Though we know, Naruto's will power is simply not enough for the entirety of him, as Jiraiya got owned in part 1 by the full chakra, and he needed his mom to help suppress Kurama's chakra.

Its irrelevant, since it was seal that that held kurama off not naruto.

Again, based on the manga facts, Sasuke broke the will of the tiny chunk of Kurama's chakra. A feat which has been done by Naruto by himself, without any seals.

Read above. That chakra still was linked to kurama and had full will of it. Ur claims arent supported.

If after this entire thread, you still think that Madara and Obito used 3t to tame the kyuubi, then there's no point in arguing with u. The manga and logic are'nt enough to slap you out of your stupidity and fanboyism, then idk wat is.

Do u expect me to change my mind after failed thread like this? Where u've done nothing but speculated and completely ignored manga feats where kurama is tamed by 3t?
GTFO.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's just your assumption, don't use pictures alone when reading the manga, dude.

My assumption? Its my assumption that Obito used his Sharingan to control the Kyuubi when we saw him do it? The same exact way Madara did it? The one making a broad assumption here, is you.

 

[NarutoKage2]

My assumption? Its my assumption that Obito used his Sharingan to control the Kyuubi when we saw him do it? The same exact way Madara did it? The one making a broad assumption here, is you.

Hows that? Its already been stated that the kyuubi can be controlled by hashi plus uchiha dna by none other than Obito, who we know controlled the kyuubi. Moreover, his control ended by a seal placed physically on his body. Yet the MS of his continued to work just fine, even after that. Also, a mere sharingan cannot control a kyuubi, the MS can. We also saw that when an eye is busy taming a beast, it can't use its other techs normally. Yet Obito used his MANGEKYUO ability kamuii just fine throughout his fight with minato.
That's my evidence, what exactly do you have other than the pics to suggest it was the MS ability that Obito used again....?

 

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Where did i deny that will and chakra go together? But chakra can be divided separated expanded, will cannot.
Kuramas will isnt bound by seal, chakra is thus kurama cant escape. That chakra that leaked had no will of its own it still was linked to kurama. So ur claims that sasuke suppressed the will of that tiny chakra are pathetic.
Read above. That chakra still was linked to kurama and had full will of it. Ur claims arent supported.

Do u expect me to change my mind after failed thread like this? Where u've done nothing but speculated and completely ignored manga feats where kurama is tamed by 3t?
GTFO.

Where did i deny that will and chakra go together? But chakra can be divided separated expanded, will cannot.
Kuramas will isnt bound by seal, chakra is thus kurama cant escape. That chakra that leaked had no will of its own it still was linked to kurama. So ur claims that sasuke suppressed the will of that tiny chakra are pathetic.

Where did i deny that will and chakra go together?

That chakra that leaked had no will of its own it still was linked to kurama.

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Contradiction :sy:

You can't claim will and chakra go together, then say will can't go with chakra, though it has been proved by manga every single time Naruto goes into red chakra cloak and can't control himself. When Naruto goes in to that mode, his chakra seal hasn't been broken, it's a slight amount that seeped out. Yet, Kurama's will is still controlling Naruto. I wonder how...

Its irrelevant, since it was seal that that held kurama off not naruto.

Jiraiya released Naruto's seal completely. He only barely managed to get it back on. Go back and re-read. Then, in Kushina's instance, Naruto completely removed the seal, again, this time though, his mom helped push back Kurama's will.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hows that? Its already been stated that the kyuubi can be controlled by hashi plus uchiha dna by none other than Obito, who we know controlled the kyuubi. Moreover, his control ended by a seal placed physically on his body. Yet the MS of his continued to work just fine, even after that. Also, a mere sharingan cannot control a kyuubi, the MS can. We also saw that when an eye is busy taming a beast, it can't use its other techs normally. Yet Obito used his MANGEKYUO ability kamuii just fine throughout his fight with minato.
That's my evidence, what exactly do you have other than the pics to suggest it was the MS ability that Obito used again....?

-You assume that Obito had to have done it this way even though you don't know the specifics of this method.

-Why would Contract Seal disable Obito's MS? It simply removes Kurama from the Sharingan's control.

-Uh, Madara disagrees.

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He used 3-Tomoe to control Kyuubi. It was only stated you need to awaken MS to control the Kyuubi, not that you have to actually pull it out to control it, thats why Madara can do it with his regular Sharingan.

-Obito did the same thing Madara did. Sharingan control via 3-Tomoe, there is no difference at all.

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-Since when could your Sharingan ability not be used when controlling a Bijuu? Madara used Susanoo the whole fight with Hashirama...while he was controlling the Kyuubi.

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I don't need any other evidence other than the pics, the pics clearly show Obito controlling the Kyuubi with his Sharingan the same way Madara did.

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Contradiction :sy:

You can't claim will and chakra go together, then say will can't go with chakra, though it has been proved by manga every single time Naruto goes into red chakra cloak and can't control himself. When Naruto goes in to that mode, his chakra seal hasn't been broken, it's a slight amount that seeped out. Yet, Kurama's will is still controlling Naruto. I wonder how...

No contradiction here. Will and chakra go together, but chakra that is used in for offensive or defensive means holds no will to it, shared one does. Silver and gold brothers absorbed kurama's chakra, yet they had no problem with it since it wasnt linked to kurama's will.

Naruto being controlled is different since he was affected by whole will of kurama, but kurama couldnt force enough chakra out to overtake due to seal. Only gradually corrupting naruto plus weakened seal caused outbreak at pain arc.

Jiraiya released Naruto's seal completely. He only barely managed to get it back on. Go back and re-read. Then, in Kushina's instance, Naruto completely removed the seal, again, this time though, his mom helped push back Kurama's will.

Im not sure if it was released completely or just weakened, but kurama didnt go pass 4t. I think if the seal would be completely off then full kurama would go out.