Misconception: Obito never used MS genjutsu to control the kyuubi

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Yeah he instructed kyuubi, but the method of obitos control wasnt the ms.

Keep being in denial, you're post reeks of butt hurt sasuke fanboyism.=D
Ur the one in denial, when even kakashi commented how obito was controlling 6 jix with sharingan alone.
Grasping at the straws here trying to deny, sharingan feats.
 

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GTFO urself. Madara used 3t to tame kyuubi, so did obito. Sasuke suppressed kyuubi? Sasuke has no suppressing anything feats, neither does sharingan. Its like when he tells juugo to calm down. Kurama was suppressed due to visual prowess of sasuke which can be no other then genjutsu or hypnotic induction in this case.
Manga feats > manga statements.
Sasuke never "suppressed" Kurama. When he told Juugo to calm down, that was simply Juugo listening to him. He pledged his allegiance to Sasuke after he learned about Kimimaro, which was the only person to ever be able to calm Juugo down. Unless you're implying Kimimaro had the sharingan.
 

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Sasuke never "suppressed" Kurama. When he told Juugo to calm down, that was simply Juugo listening to him. He pledged his allegiance to Sasuke after he learned about Kimimaro, which was the only person to ever be able to calm Juugo down. Unless you're implying Kimimaro had the sharingan.
Kimimaru had the power to restrain him, sasuke used sharingan to calm juugo down.
Kurama was surpressed by sharingan, cuz sasuke has nothing else.
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Here madara uses 3t to tame kyuubi
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tbh i didnt even click on the link, you want to give feats to the contract seal, then YOU go and use manga scans for proof, otherwise its invalid.

I disagree, its crystal clear that a mere sharingan on its own cannot achieve all that.
Even though you will be getting the same info?


What is all that? All he did was control the Kyuubi, not as hard or complex as you make it seem. Since he is controlling it he can do whatever he wants with it.
 

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Ur the one in denial, when even kakashi commented how obito was controlling 6 jix with sharingan alone.
Grasping at the straws here trying to deny, sharingan feats.
Where did he say that you fool??:

He said 'eye power' , as in why they were'nt using the rinnegan techs because the rinnegan was helping to subdue them.
Learn to read. It had nothing to do with just 'sharingan'
If a normal 3 tomoe sharingan can control the kyuubi, why did it say that you need the mangekyuo to do it on the uchiha stone tablet????
Sasuke never "suppressed" Kurama. When he told Juugo to calm down, that was simply Juugo listening to him. He pledged his allegiance to Sasuke after he learned about Kimimaro, which was the only person to ever be able to calm Juugo down. Unless you're implying Kimimaro had the sharingan.
Well said!
Kimimaru had the power to restrain him, sasuke used sharingan to calm juugo down.
Kurama was surpressed by sharingan, cuz sasuke has nothing else.
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Here madara uses 3t to tame kyuubi
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No 3 tomoe alone in existence has ever been able to perfectly control/summon the kyuubi. If that were the case, why did'nt kakashi use his sharingan to tame naruto??
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Even though you will be getting the same info?


What is all that? All he did was control the Kyuubi, not as hard or complex as you make it seem. Since he is controlling it he can do whatever he wants with it.
But controlling the kyuubi is not a simple feat. This has been emphsized many times in the manga. Its even written on the uchiha monument the techs required to control it.
 

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Kimimaru had the power to restrain him, sasuke used sharingan to calm juugo down.
Kurama was surpressed by sharingan, cuz sasuke has nothing else.
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1. Kimimaro didn't have the "power" to restrain him, he simply was Juugo's closest friend.

2. Show a scan of Sasuke using his sharingan. I want to see Juugo's eyes, otherwise he just used a genjutsu on him. If not, it's exactly as I said, and you are wrong.

3. Sasuke can't suppress Kurama, he simply saw in to Naruto's subconscious.

4. That's not Madara's 3 Tomoe, as he went to fight Hashi with his ems a few days later... So far, we only know that all sharingan's in their first 3 stages look exactly the same. When they get MS is when they change.
 

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Where did he say that you fool??:

He said 'eye power' , as in why they were'nt using the rinnegan techs because the rinnegan was helping to subdue them.
Learn to read. It had nothing to do with just 'sharingan'
If a normal 3 tomoe sharingan can control the kyuubi, why did it say that you need the mangekyuo to do it on the uchiha stone tablet????

Well said!

No 3 tomoe alone in existence has ever been able to perfectly control/summon the kyuubi. If that were the case, why did'nt kakashi use his sharingan to tame naruto??
/post

But controlling the kyuubi is not a simple feat. This has been emphsized many times in the manga. Its even written on the uchiha monument the techs required to control it.
When it comes to someone who has MS, was trained by Madara, and seemingly manipulated a Perfect Jin....it is a simple feat.

Exactly, the Uchiha tablet says those with MS can control the Kyuubi.

 

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When it comes to someone who has MS, was trained by Madara, and seemingly manipulated a Perfect Jin....it is a simple feat.

Exactly, the Uchiha tablet says those with MS can control the Kyuubi.

It is. But the tech was not the mangekyuo that you listed.

Kakashi has the same eye, do you honestly think with that MS power alone he could've achieved what Obito did that night?

Heck, just to restrain naruto he was unable to use his eye in the past.
 

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Where did he say that you fool??:

He said 'eye power' , as in why they were'nt using the rinnegan techs because the rinnegan was helping to subdue them.
Learn to read. It had nothing to do with just 'sharingan'
If a normal 3 tomoe sharingan can control the kyuubi, why did it say that you need the mangekyuo to do it on the uchiha stone tablet????
Rinnegan has no power in subduing bijus, otherwise pain wouldnt have problem with kyuubi. It leaves sharingan only.

No 3 tomoe alone in existence has ever been able to perfectly control/summon the kyuubi. If that were the case, why did'nt kakashi use his sharingan to tame naruto??
Kakashi is no uchiha, it requires alot of chakra and powerful one.
But controlling the kyuubi is not a simple feat. This has been emphsized many times in the manga. Its even written on the uchiha monument the techs required to control it.
It was also said that base sharingan cant match MS prowess. Everything depends on the user.
Manga feats > manga statements.
 

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It is. But the tech was not the mangekyuo that you listed.

Kakashi has the same eye, do you honestly think with that MS power alone he could've achieved what Obito did that night?

Heck, just to restrain naruto he was unable to use his eye in the past.
First of all you need skill with the eye in order to do something like that...obviously. Second of all there is absolutely nothing that supports him using something other than his Sharingan to control the Kyuubi.
 

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Ur the one in denial, when even kakashi commented how obito was controlling 6 jix with sharingan alone.
Grasping at the straws here trying to deny, sharingan feats.
the bijuus werent under sharingan control

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they were being controlled by rinnegan
 

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Rinnegan has no power in subduing bijus, otherwise pain wouldnt have problem with kyuubi. It leaves sharingan only.


Kakashi is no uchiha, it requires alot of chakra and powerful one.

It was also said that base sharingan cant match MS prowess. Everything depends on the user.
Manga feats > manga statements.
Assumption. The SO6P controlled the Fckng juubi, its next to impossible that the rinnegan can't suppress/help control a tailed beast.

Where was it stated? Scans plz.

And feats??? Show me a single feat in which a non Mangekyuo/MS+senju dna user ever controlled the kyuubi.

Edit: Why do you ignore what was stated just before that? Guy was asking Kakashi why they were'nt using PAIN's abilities, that's rinnegan abilities not sharingan. So its obvious the rinnegan was helping in the control. Do you even know how to read?
 
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1. Kimimaro didn't have the "power" to restrain him, he simply was Juugo's closest friend.
Became one after restraining. Juugo only obeys to a stronger one, who can stop him from killing by any means, not just friendship.

2. Show a scan of Sasuke using his sharingan. I want to see Juugo's eyes, otherwise he just used a genjutsu on him. If not, it's exactly as I said, and you are wrong.
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3. Sasuke can't suppress Kurama, he simply saw in to Naruto's subconscious.
What does it even means? Kurama said he can ...
4. That's not Madara's 3 Tomoe, as he went to fight Hashi with his ems a few days later... So far, we only know that all sharingan's in their first 3 stages look exactly the same. When they get MS is when they change.
Thats base 3t in the image gtfo.
 

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Became one after restraining. Juugo only obeys to a stronger one, who can stop him from killing by any means, not just friendship.


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What does it even means? Kurama said he can ...
Thats base 3t in the image gtfo.
Stop it...

1. You basically rephrased what I said, so yes I'm right.

2. It never showed Juugo's eyes, which implies genjutsu, which means again, I am right.

3. Show a scan of Kurama stating this.

4. That's not base 3t, look again.
 

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First of all you need skill with the eye in order to do something like that...obviously. Second of all there is absolutely nothing that supports him using something other than his Sharingan to control the Kyuubi.
And Obito had what, a year? How much skill do you think he developed into his mangekyuo in such a short time span?


Hashirama's dna along with uchiha dna help you to control the kyuubi, its stated in the manga by Obito himself. And that's what he used as well.
 

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Stop it...
1. You basically rephrased what I said, so yes I'm right.
U said they were friends ffs.
2. It never showed Juugo's eyes, which implies genjutsu, which means again, I am right.
Since when other shinobies get sharingan eyes under genjutsu, dear moron.
3. Show a scan of Kurama stating this.
FU, ur not reading a manga? I would but ur far too biased
4. That's not base 3t, look again.
Oh really? Where is izuna's design in that? Or even madara's. Its not MS its not EMS its base.
 

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And Obito had what, a year? How much skill do you think he developed into his mangekyuo in such a short time span?


Hashirama's dna along with uchiha dna help you to control the kyuubi, its stated in the manga by Obito himself. And that's what he used as well.
He went from being a Chunin leveled Ninja to a ninja capable of slaughtering Anbu with ease, all from Madara's tutelage, 1 year was clearly enough.

Manga clearly showed him using his Sharingan to control the Kyuubi. The exact, same way Madara did it.
 

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He went from being a Chunin leveled Ninja to a ninja capable of slaughtering Anbu with ease, all from Madara's tutelage, 1 year was clearly enough.

Manga clearly showed him using his Sharingan to control the Kyuubi. The exact, same way Madara did it.
That's just your assumption, don't use pictures alone when reading the manga, dude.
 

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Assumption. The SO6P controlled the Fckng juubi, its next to impossible that the rinnegan can't suppress/help control a tailed beast.
Controlled juubi? He tamed its chakra nothing more, it was sealed in him anyway.
Where was it stated? Scans plz.
U need a scan to know kakashi not uchiha? And has low stamina? The very same scan we used here say all u ask for, read...
And feats??? Show me a single feat in which a non Mangekyuo/MS+senju dna user ever controlled the kyuubi.
Suppressing is considered control. Even if sasuke with 3t not good enough to effectively control, he displayed the power to neutralize kurama.
Edit: Why do you ignore what was stated just before that? Guy was asking Kakashi why they were'nt using PAIN's abilities, that's rinnegan abilities not sharingan. So its obvious the rinnegan was helping in the control. Do you even know how to read?
Obito controls mindless zombies, no problems so far. The only problem he has is with bijus, here he used both chains and sharingan
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