Misconception in the Madara vs Hashirama fight at Valley's End.

[KCMNaruto]

SM one RG Madara >=Complete Full Kyuubi && EMS Madara ~ SM Hashirama with statue >= Edo Madara ~ Edo SM Hashirama ~ SM blind RT Madara > SM Hashirama with statue restricted >=EMS Madara> Base Hashirama

^^ This is how manga portays them and this how I see them.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Hashirama jumped off the golem, so he wouldn't hurt madara's pride.
He knows how sensitive you uchiha's are.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Almost everyone hyped Hashirama as his battle against Madara as a one-sided stomp for some reason.

Which is delusional...

What people mostly missed out on was that EMS Madara fought Sm Hashirama with wood golem/Human, Wood dragon, and the kyuubi too.

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He fought the all of those off panelled until the kyuubi was no longer available:

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Both were out of chakra and near death, yet Madara was at a disadvantage off panel.

What's your response Logical Hashirama fans.
(That's excluding retards like demonic senju)

That's true.

It was indeed Kyuubi + PS + EMS Madara vs Hashirama + Wood Golem + Wood dragon + Shinsusenjuu.


Madara lost seeing as his sharingan deactivated and couldn't detect the clone.​

 

[KingHashirama]

- Hashirama never tried to Kill Madara, until the end.

- When Hashirama was 100% sure he needed to kill Madara, guess what he did? He killed him.

- Hashirama even stopped using the buddha.


Naruto would've smashed on Sasuke also...... just like Hashirama would've smashed on Madara.

Only reason why both of those fights ended with both sides exhausted like hell.. is due to the fact the senju boys weren't trying to kill their opponents during the entire fight.

SM one RG Madara >=Complete Full Kyuubi && EMS Madara ~ SM Hashirama with statue >= Edo Madara ~ Edo SM Hashirama ~ SM blind RT Madara > SM Hashirama with statue restricted >=EMS Madara> Base Hashirama

^^ This is how manga portays them and this how I see them.

Not sure if you were reading Kishimoto's version of the manga bro.

 

[Demonic.]

What's your response Logical Hashirama fans.
(That's excluding retards like demonic senju)

>Claims I'm a retard for believing SM Hashirama is above 1MS Obito in strength
>fails to realize everyone knows he is actually the retard

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[~Ethereal~]

>Claims I'm a retard for believing SM Hashirama is above 1MS Obito in strength
>fails to realize everyone knows he is actually the retard

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Oh dear god. XD XD :leaf:

 

[LightningNinja]

SM Hashirama > EMS Madara a true fact. Even Madara himself said that Hashirama is the only one who can stop him. But you right saying that Hashirama stomps Madara isn't true. If Madara fought Hashirama without the kyuubi, Hashirama could pull a win with high difficulty. Madara summon Kurama and perfectly controlled him which take a lot of chakra and using his PS to protect Kurama against Hashirama moukton, kind of wrong tactic because we all know Hashirama has the ability to control the beasts. EMS Madara without Kurama won't spend that much chakra and attempts of protecting Kurama but he will lose a lot of fire power, probably a half which means the damage to SS was reduced a lot but the damage to Madara's PS were doubled so his PS was completely destroyed unlike what happened in cannon that only half of it was destroyed.
In addition many people think that wood golem as powerful as Madara's PS and is completely wrong. It's true that wood golem an SM one could hold on against PS but it doesnt has the firepower to take PS down the same PS that can cut mountains and block a TBB when not even stabilized.
The conclusion is that Hashirama need his SS ( his strongest jutsu) to bring EMS Madara (without Kurama) down but he probably won't collapsed in the end and that will be a high diff win.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Will someone take that piece of sh*t out of my thread?

Looks like reading isn't his forte either, what part of no demonic senju doesn't he understand?

You guys should make a truce.

 

[Angelic.]

Will someone take that piece of sh*t out of my thread?

Looks like reading isn't his forte either, what part of no demonic senju doesn't he understand?

if you restrict him, he will come

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Madara knew he couldn't beat HASHIRAMA that's why he planned for the future, plus Madara went all out from the beginning while Hashirama didn't go all out until he knew there was no convincing Madara to stay in the village which was halfway through the fight

U do know madara was winning?

Consider Hashirama can heal and was still in wrost condition than Madara and had to win by using a clone as a replacement in a last ditched effort.

Madara could've used inazagi then and there but opted to secure his plan/black zetsu's plan

Facts are vote Madara was winning without the kyubi and edo madara is much stronger than any form of Hashirama but plot restricts the bad guys from going all out and gg the world this is applied to every manga/comic ect.

 

[VongolaX]

You guys should make a truce.

I don't associate myself with degenerates like him.

He can't even type in a simple sentence let alone make any sense whatsoever.

I know typos when I see one but, that kid is just another level of disappointment.

His friends put me on this "retard list," but you can read the comments at the end.

I want to know the genius that spelled the word "though," so elegantly well.

 

[~Ethereal~]

I don't associate myself with degenerates like him.

He can't even type in a simple sentence let alone make any sense whatsoever.

I know typos when I see one but, that kid is just another level of disappointment.

His friends put me on this "retard list," but you can read the comments at the end.

I want to know the genius that spelled the word "though," so elegantly well.

I am not sure how you guys will act IRL. O___O

 

[Jove]

I say that SM Hashirama is stronger than EMS Madara. Rinnegan Madara on the other hand is an entirely different story. But I still think that they are around the same level

 

[Demonic.]

You guys should make a truce.

1.) why would I be associated with him? He's a laughing stock. No one takes him serious.
2.) He's *****ing about grammar when my grammar is better than his.
3.) He thinks I'm the one that wrote "tho" Lol.As if I'm the only one that knows he's retarded.


Hey maybe if I go full retard we can get along
- You need to be an Uchiha with rinnegan or senju cells to beat 1MS Obito!
-Obito can use Preta and Human path without the rinnegan!
-1MS Obito is leagues above EMS Madara by FAR...senju cells!

 

[KingHashirama]

U do know madara was winning?

Consider Hashirama can heal and was still in wrost condition than Madara and had to win by using a clone as a replacement in a last ditched effort.

Madara could've used inazagi then and there but opted to secure his plan/black zetsu's plan

Facts are vote Madara was winning without the kyubi and edo madara is much stronger than any form of Hashirama but plot restricts the bad guys from going all out and gg the world this is applied to every manga/comic ect.

"a last ditched effort".. I guess Madara using Kurama wasn't a last ditched effort.. rofl.

He could've used inazagi.. against a Senju. the best senju.. and during their fight... oh please child you are joking yourself. His izanagi was only affective because he used it for reviving himself. During his battle against Hashirama it would've been a waste of time.

PS: Its funny we have never seen Hashirama go all out tho.

 

[TrollingSage]

I wasn't belittling anybody, if that's the vibe you're getting off.

My point here really is the confession people muster up.

Sm Hashirama won that fight at vote, barely.

Edo Madara was stopped by Hashirama and naruto, by sealing him.

Edo Madara being inferior to Edo Hashirama does not make any sense, considering that Edo Madara is passed his prime fight with alive sm Hashirama.

So I'm asking for a valid explanation for this reasoning.
(Meaning scans and substantial proof)

Uhmm no. Hashirama restrained Madara way before Naruto came into the picture. Edo Madara is technically more powerful than EMS Madara, but the problem is none of his new powers is a threat to Hashirama. Meteors get laughed at by mayfly and or edo regeneration, preta is useless against mokuton and mokuton can be countered by Hashirama's own mokuton. Thats why Edo Hashirama stalemated with Edo Madara despite the later being more powerful.
For example imagine Deidara gets a powerup against Itachi. Let's say he gets SM. Obviously Deidara with SM is way above Itachi especially in terms of DC, but Itachi can still one shot him with gen jutsu or totsuka

 

[VongolaX]

I am not sure how you guys will act IRL. O___O

I have three guns, three different martial arts training, joining the service soon, and very adept in physical activity.

In real life, it would be a scary outcome.

I have low tolerance for jack@sses.

 

[Demonic.]

I have three guns, three different martial arts training, joining the service soon, and very adept in physical activity.

In real life, it would be a scary outcome.

I have low tolerance for jack@sses.

Then slap yourself for thinking MS Obito is on par with SM Madara, jackass.

@Bold: Good. Hopefully you get shot down so I don't have to read your bs anymore.

 

[VongolaX]

Uhmm no. Hashirama restrained Madara way before Naruto came into the picture. Edo Madara is technically more with Edo Madara despite the later being more powerful.
For example imagine Deidara gets a powerup against Itachi. Let's say he gets SM. Obviously Deidara with SM is way above Itachi especially in terms of DC, but Itachi can still one shot him with gen jutsu or totsuka

Hashirama doesn't have mayfly, only zetsu.

Meteors destroy the buddah, it's not really for Hashirama.

SS still doesn't one shot Madara if it can't take out the whole Susanoo leaving the kyuubi unscathed.

Hashirama didn't pin Madara before Naruto's arrival.

It was a joined effort, even the shinobi force part took in the battle until Edo Madara brought out v3 stabilizing Susanoo and Edo Hashirama brought out Hashirama golem/wood dragon.

Meteorite was not used as much likely SS, but the black rods was what put Hashirama down, even when alive blind it was still the black rods.

With Edo Madara that much hasn't change.

You get what is being implied right?

A senju can't be stronger than a senju plus uchiha plus a rinnegan/sage chakra individual.

He is both Madara and Hashirama in one with addition new power.

Btw Itachi is still more powerful than sage deidara.

 

[Conspirator.]

Because that meteorite Justu would fodderize anything EMS Madara or sm Hashirama has to offer.

Wrong. Even Perfect Susanoo dwarfs the wreckage of those meteorites, and absolutely obliterated the landscape(in addition to 2 mountains) with a single swing of it's blade. PS wrecks the meteorite technique, let alone moves like SS from Hashirama.

Last time I checked Edo Madara had the rinnegan and mokuton.

And because Edo Madara doesn't have Limbo by feats, all of his Rinnegan techniques are fodder in front of the Buddha.

Edo Hashirama beating Edo Madara doesn't make the slightest sense at all.

It makes perfect sense. EMS Madara w/kyuubi, pushed Hashirama to the very limit due to a far greater DC due to Kurama. A weaker Hashirama(due to Edo tensei) fought against a Madara that was stronger than EMS Madara, but weaker than EMS madara/kyuubi, and narrowly beat him. It makes perfect sense.

Especially when he had his, Hashirama, and six path powers in one.

His "Hashirama" powers are not as strong as Hashirama's own power, and most of the six paths techniques are fodder in front of the Buddha.