Misconception in the Madara vs Hashirama fight at Valley's End.

[Umari Senju]

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I didn't ask for opinions

dude stop acting like what you posted is irrefutable fact, then ask for everyone's take on how they comprehended you point, and then belittle everyone for not agreeing with your view.

Sure it wasn't a stomp, but Madara lost to Hashirama VOTE and barely barely bested Hashirama as Edo. Once he received his real unrestricted body back it was all Madara then.

 

[VongolaX]

dude stop acting like what you posted is irrefutable fact, then ask for everyone's take on how they comprehended you point, and then belittle everyone for not agreeing with your view.

Sure it wasn't a stomp, but Madara lost to Hashirama VOTE and barely barely bested Hashirama as Edo. Once he received his real unrestricted body back it was all Madara then.

I wasn't belittling anybody, if that's the vibe you're getting off.

My point here really is the confession people muster up.

Sm Hashirama won that fight at vote, barely.

Edo Madara was stopped by Hashirama and naruto, by sealing him.

Edo Madara being inferior to Edo Hashirama does not make any sense, considering that Edo Madara is passed his prime fight with alive sm Hashirama.

So I'm asking for a valid explanation for this reasoning.
(Meaning scans and substantial proof)

 

[Conspirator.]

No, SM Hashirama>>Edo Madara by feats. In fact, EMS Madara w/Kyuubi is greater than Edo Madara, but he still lost to Hashirama! Just clearing up some general misconceptions in the thread.

 

[RedRobin]

No, SM Hashirama>>Edo Madara by feats. In fact, EMS Madara w/Kyuubi is greater than Edo Madara, but he still lost to Hashirama! Just clearing up some general misconceptions in the thread.

Yeah this.

EMS Madara w/Kyuubi > Edo Madara >> EMS Madara

 

[VongolaX]

No, SM Hashirama>>Edo Madara by feats. In fact, EMS Madara w/Kyuubi is greater than Edo Madara, but he still lost to Hashirama! Just clearing up some general misconceptions in the thread.

And this is exactly the type of sh*t I was worried about.

 

[VongolaX]

Yeah this.

EMS Madara w/Kyuubi > Edo Madara >> EMS Madara

How is that even possible and where are my scans?

This isn't an opinion thread, I need evidence.

Because last time I checked...

Rinnegan, mokuton, and uchiha powers>>>>mokuton

In fact uchiha and senju powers combined>>>>senju powers alone.

Did you forget how Edo Hashirama got defeated?

 

[Conspirator.]

And this is exactly the type of sh*t I was worried about.

Could you please explain how I'm wrong? Because EMS Madara w/kyuubi has a far greater DC than Edo Madara. Edo Madara has greater versatility, but all of him moves are absolute fodder in front of PS/Kurama. It's why the VOTE fight was much tougher for Hashirama than the fight when they were both Edos.

 

[Endles Waltz]

I don't get why people are still comparing Madara and Hashirama, during the war arc the Madara's power levels spiked and Hashirama became fodder in comparison. Even Naruto and Sasuke who are basically gods by the end of the manga are still argued to be weaker than Madara.

Hashirama was only slightly stronger than Madara when they used to fight in VoTE, but ever since Madara got the Rinnegan he got much stronger.

Then you have Juubi Jin Madara who is on a whole other level.

 

[taijutsuGoD]

Edo madara should be far stronger than a ems\ kurama madara. The Edo version can't run out of chakra has a rinegan and meretor. Ems\kurama madara even with ps\kurama can't defeat the Edo madara he can just absorb the PS sword\tbb combo and can whipe the map clean with meteors and then regenerate

 

[taijutsuGoD]

Edo madara should be far stronger than a ems\ kurama madara. The Edo version can't run out of chakra has a rinegan and meretor. Ems\kurama madara even with ps\kurama can't defeat the Edo madara he can just absorb the PS sword\tbb combo and can whipe the map clean with meteors and then regenerate

 

[VongolaX]

Could you please explain how I'm wrong? Because EMS Madara w/kyuubi has a far greater DC than Edo Madara. Edo Madara has greater versatility, but all of him moves are absolute fodder in front of PS/Kurama. It's why the VOTE fight was much tougher for Hashirama than the fight when they were both Edos.

Because that meteorite Justu would fodderize anything EMS Madara or sm Hashirama has to offer.

Last time I checked Edo Madara had the rinnegan and mokuton.

Edo Hashirama beating Edo Madara doesn't make the slightest sense at all.

Especially when he had his, Hashirama, and six path powers in one.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I think after Hashirama put Kurama to sleep, he fought Madara by himself without wood Golem, wood Dragon, and Buddha.

Hashirama want that fight to be fair and as he didn't want or not having any intention to kill Madara(his friend) at first.

But in one on one battle without help, Madara clearly has an upper hand or outclass Hashirama in battle and it is resulted on Hashirama to using a trick to kill Madara.

 

[davidou]

Madara=Hashirama , in power.
Like Sasuke=Naruto , and like Ashura=Indra.

Madara lost because of the same reason why Sasuke lost against Naruto.

Madara and Sasuke lost their mind , and went into attack mode , releasing more and more powerfull techniques , only to see them countered each time by their opponents , until they released their most powerfull technique and got out of chakra and stamina , and lost.

If you think about it , a Yang master in a defensive mode has the advantage against a Yin master in an attacking mode , given that Yang have some relation with stamina , body and life force.
If the fight is going to last , the Yang master will be the favourite to win.

 

[Endles Waltz]

Madara=Hashirama , in power.
Like Sasuke=Naruto.

Madara lost because of the same reason why Sasuke lost against Naruto.

Madara and Sasuke lost their mind , and went into attack mode , releasing more and more powerfull techniques , only to see them countered each time by their opponents , until they released their most powerfull technique and got out of chakra and stamina , and lost.

If you think about it , a Yang master in a defensive mode has the advantage against a Yin master in an attacking mode , given that Yang have some relation with stamina , body and life force.
If the fight is going to last , the Yang master will be the favourite to win.

That's an interesting way of looking at it.

 

[VongolaX]

I think after Hashirama put Kurama to sleep, he fought Madara by himself without wood Golem, wood Dragon, and Buddha.

Hashirama want that fight to be fair and as he didn't want or not having any intention to kill Madara(his friend) at first.

But in one on one battle without help, Madara clearly has an upper hand or outclass Hashirama in battle and it is resulted on Hashirama to using a trick to kill Madara.

I get what your saying and agree for the most part, except for the sleeping part.

Because if the kyuubi was left sleeping, Madara can just take the kyuubi all over again.

Even Hashirama said that the kyuubi was too powerful.

 

[VongolaX]

Madara=Hashirama , in power.
Like Sasuke=Naruto , and like Ashura=Indra.

Madara lost because of the same reason why Sasuke lost against Naruto.

Madara and Sasuke lost their mind , and went into attack mode , releasing more and more powerfull techniques , only to see them countered each time by their opponents , until they released their most powerfull technique and got out of chakra and stamina , and lost.

If you think about it , a Yang master in a defensive mode has the advantage against a Yin master in an attacking mode , given that Yang have some relation with stamina , body and life force.
If the fight is going to last , the Yang master will be the favourite to win.

My biggest interest was what happened off panel.

How was the kyuubi, wood dragon and wood golem/human delt with to a very stalemate?

It's funny how the power that was exerted paled in comparison to what BSM naruto has shown.

 

[Itachi of the Uchiha clan]

hashirama stomps ems madara

 

[maniaoqan]

EMS Madara with Kyuubi is equal to SM Hashirama.
That battle could've gone either way as it has been portrayed. Both Madara and Hashirama were at their limits near the end.

 

[Ansatsuken]

My biggest interest was what happened off panel.

How was the kyuubi, wood dragon and wood golem/human delt with to a very stalemate?

It's funny how the power that was exerted paled in comparison to what BSM naruto has shown.

I think they both had an agreement to fight fairly, with their own power and body.

And when agreement is achieve, Madara and Hashirama will using only small scale jutsus.

And its not far fetch to say that Madara with his pride and battle sense will not breach that agreement.

Its a normal thing between a fighters when they want to have a final fight with honor and dignity, they will not use something that against early agreement.

And I believe Madara is a honorable fighter as he shown to us when he want to fight with real Edo Hashirama and not his clones.

 

[Amaterasu]

Hashirama > Madara

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