Misconception in the Madara vs Hashirama fight at Valley's End.

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I thought you would have learned your lesson after Strict put you in your place.

Hashirama doesn't have mayfly, only zetsu.

Based on what? Yamato is using a form of mayfly perfectly fine here.

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Meteors destroy the buddah, it's not really for Hashirama.

Meteors are slow. The Buddha will do what it needs to do before the meteors arrive. Unless you can provide proof otherwise.
SS still doesn't one shot Madara if it can't take out the whole Susanoo leaving the kyuubi unscathed.

SS took on PS + Bijuudama barrage. SS would demolish PS alone and wood human on top of ss would crush Madara after.
Hashirama didn't pin Madara before Naruto's arrival.

It was a joined effort, even the shinobi force part took in the battle until Edo Madara brought out v3 stabilizing Susanoo and Edo Hashirama brought out Hashirama golem/wood dragon.

I don't even.....

Naruto had forgot all about Madara, until Minato reminded him ( )
Naruto then forms and tosses FRS at Madara ( )

When the FRS hits Madara, he is already shown to be in wood dragon ( )

You get what is being implied right?

A senju can't be stronger than a senju plus uchiha plus a rinnegan/sage chakra individual.

He is both Madara and Hashirama in one with addition new power.

Generally, yes this is true. However, Madara's Rinnegan was nerfed as an edo.
 

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Wrong. Even Perfect Susanoo dwarfs the wreckage of those meteorites, and absolutely obliterated the landscape(in addition to 2 mountains) with a single swing of it's blade. PS wrecks the meteorite technique, let alone moves like SS from Hashirama.

You mean the two meteorites that already crashed down into pieces?

No, a meteor would not consist of a couple of mountains.

They'll destroy Iso Susanoo, PS, or SS if it has to.


And because Edo Madara doesn't have Limbo by feats, all of his Rinnegan techniques are fodder in front of the Buddha.

Shrina tensei can repel everything regardless of its size and preta path does not discriminate either when it absorbs mokuton such as the buddah.

If he can absorb the god tree, he definitely can absorb SS.

Also, I need proof when you are making claims.

It makes perfect sense. EMS Madara w/kyuubi, pushed Hashirama to the very limit due to a far greater DC due to Kurama. A weaker Hashirama(due to Edo tensei) fought against a Madara that was stronger than EMS Madara, but weaker than EMS madara/kyuubi, and narrowly beat him. It makes perfect sense.
No, it doesn't make sense...

Edo Madara >>>> EMS Madara with the kyuubi.

Edo Madara has the mokuton to hold the kyuubi and the rinnegan to beat his EMS self.

He is both him and Hashirama in one forming six path powers.

By kabuto he was said to be past his prime, that means pass the battle against Sm Hashirama.



His "Hashirama" powers are not as strong as Hashirama's own power, and most of the six paths techniques are fodder in front of the Buddha.

That's not a valid excuse.

Edo Madara's wood dragon is the same size as Hashirama's and the flower world tree was only shown by Madara.

You're really making a claim that is not even true...

The only the he got on him is Sage Buddah, because he does not have sagemode.

What six path Justus are fodder in front of the buddah?
 
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Hashirama beat madara fair and square,

madara even got the kyuubi which tripled his overall firepower, yet hashirama still ended up taking his big guns down by busting his PS and putting the kyuubi to sleep

whats worse is that the amount of chakra that hashirama used through kilometers high SS as well as bijiuu sized mokutons was far more than madara, who was using only PS and genjutsu on kurama, (the TBBs from kurama isnt drainig madara)
and still hashirama ended up taking madara down through the use of mokuton clone,

Hashirama > VOTE Madara > Edo Madara > Base Hashirama > EMS Madara
 

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You mean the two meteorites that already crashed down into pieces?

No, a meteor would not consist of a couple of mountains.

They'll destroy Iso Susanoo, PS, or SS if it has to.

Irrelevant, since PS already cut up the meteor, which had fallen to the ground. Further, PS tanked a bijuu dama at point blank range without a scratch, so the Meteor jutsu gets tanked or cut up. Even if, by some miracle, Madara's meteor jutsu could destroy PS, it has ZERO percent chance of taking out Iso Susanoo, since bijuudamas infused with PS blades blow it to p




Shrina tensei can repel everything regardless of its size and preta path does not discriminate either when it absorbs mokuton such as the buddah.

There's no evidence for the bold, and even if it could, the amount of overall damage done to the Buddha would be jack, since it survived 12 bijuudamas infused with PS blades. Also, Mokuton already shat on chakra absorption techniques in canon, when Hashirama restrained Madara. Wood dragon is on top of SS anyway, so there's no chance of Preta path working.

If he can absorb the god tree, he definitely can absorb SS.

Also, I need proof when you are making claims.

Are you referring to when he absorbed the god tree into himself as a Juubi Jinchuriki? This is Rinnegan Madara though, a far inferior version who has never been implied to be able to absorb something on that level.


No, it doesn't make sense...

Edo Madara >>>> EMS Madara with the kyuubi.

PS fused with Kurama is far stronger than anything Edo Madara has shown though.

Edo Madara has the mokuton to hold the kyuubi and the rinnegan to beat his EMS self.

Except that Wood dragon, the strongest mokuton Edo Madara has shown, was already by the Kyuubi in canon. The same thing happens to anything Mokuton Madara uses. Or a bijuudama wipes them all out.

He is both him and Hashirama in one forming six path powers.

I know he mixed Ashura and Indra's chakra(from himself and Hashirama) to get the Rikudo chakra to awaken the Rinnegan, but this does not mean that he's as strong as Hashirama and Madara combined.

By kabuto he was said to be past his prime, that means pass the battle against Sm Hashirama.
Kabuto also thought he was the one closest to the S06P, and we know how that went, don't we? It's better to go by feats.





That's not a valid excuse.

Edo Madara's wood dragon is the same size as Hashirama's and the flower world tree was only shown by Madara.

You're really making a claim that is not even true...

The only the he got on him is Sage Buddah, because he does not have sagemode.

Hashirama was shown standing on top of FTW in an image IIRC. But anyway, I know he doesn't have the Sage buddha, and that is my point. Edo Madara is not some "EMS Madara+Rinnegan+Hashirama" hybrid. He can't use every technique Hashirama has shown, including the buddha.

What six path Justus are fodder in front of the buddah?

Preta path takes too long to absorb such a gargantuan construct, even if it would work. Asura path missiles are fodder. Deva Path's chibaku tensei is overpowered, and all the other paths are not worth mentioning.

Hashirama beat madara fair and square,

madara even got the kyuubi which tripled his overall firepower, yet hashirama still ended up taking his big guns down by busting his PS and putting the kyuubi to sleep

whats worse is that the amount of chakra that hashirama used through kilometers high SS as well as bijiuu sized mokutons was far more than madara, who was using only PS and genjutsu on kurama, (the TBBs from kurama isnt drainig madara)
and still hashirama ended up taking madara down through the use of mokuton clone,

Hashirama > VOTE Madara > Edo Madara > Base Hashirama > EMS Madara

I agree with all this, except I believe that EMS Madara(w/o Kyuubi) is above Base Hashirama.
 

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The Madara wank is freaking unbelievable. LMAO! But knowing some of your posts, I'm not surprised.
 

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Irrelevant, since PS already cut up the meteor, which had fallen to the ground. Further, PS tanked a bijuu dama at point blank range without a scratch, so the Meteor jutsu gets tanked or cut up. Even if, by some miracle, Madara's meteor jutsu could destroy PS, it has ZERO percent chance of taking out Iso Susanoo, since bijuudamas infused with PS blades blow it to p

Exactly where are you getting this from?

Meteorite already was in pieces after it hit the ground, there is no proof of Madara's Susanoo taking out two meteorites.

It's best was only five mountain tops.




There's no evidence for the bold, and even if it could, the amount of overall damage done to the Buddha would be jack, since it survived 12 bijuudamas infused with PS blades. Also, Mokuton already shat on chakra absorption techniques in canon, when Hashirama restrained Madara. Wood dragon is on top of SS anyway, so there's no chance of Preta path working.

Those gudodama's with Iso Susanoo blades took out one mountain, I never understood the point of that move but irrelevant.

Hashirama can't use wood dragon and SS at the same time, the dragon would get destroyed if anything.

Don't forget that Edo Madara has the wood dragon too, so it can't stop him from absorbing.



Are you referring to when he absorbed the god tree into himself as a Juubi Jinchuriki? This is Rinnegan Madara though, a far inferior version who has never been implied to be able to absorb something on that level.

Edo Madara is rinnegan Madara, also absorption is absorption.

Nothing was implied to be increased or decrease in becoming jinchuuriki.

The juubi didn't affect his rinnegan techniques at all.



PS fused with Kurama is far stronger than anything Edo Madara has shown though.

Like what exactly?

Edo Madara was called a glimpse of god's power upon meteor arrival.

Edo Madara has PS, wood dragon, emergency forest, and the rinnegan.




Except that Wood dragon, the strongest mokuton Edo Madara has shown, was already by the Kyuubi in canon. The same thing happens to anything Mokuton Madara uses. Or a bijuudama wipes them all out.

Didn't the same happen to Hashirama?

I know he mixed Ashura and Indra's chakra(from himself and Hashirama) to get the Rikudo chakra to awaken the Rinnegan, but this does not mean that he's as strong as Hashirama and Madara combined.

Kind of does if he's using mokuton on his level and god like rinnegan powers on top of it.


Kabuto also thought he was the one closest to the S06P, and we know how that went, don't we? It's better to go by feats.

By feats, Madara's will beat Hashirama.

By feats, sm Edo Hashirama needed help to seal up Madara.
(Which I posted twice already)


Hashirama was shown standing on top of FTW in an image IIRC. But anyway, I know he doesn't have the Sage buddha, and that is my point. Edo Madara is not some "EMS Madara+Rinnegan+Hashirama" hybrid. He can't use every technique Hashirama has shown, including the buddha.

You praise this buddah way too much, especially when two rinnegan techniques can counter it.

He has essentially every move Hashirama has except for the buddah and gates.

The alone is more than enough to say EMS+Hashirama.



Preta path takes too long to absorb such a gargantuan construct, even if it would work. Asura path missiles are fodder. Deva Path's chibaku tensei is overpowered, and all the other paths are not worth mentioning.

Madara's absorption soaked up the god tree in less than a panel, the buddah is no problem.

If chibakui tensei is overpowered, then Madara shouldn't have a problem.
 

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The Madara wank is freaking unbelievable. LMAO! But knowing some of your posts, I'm not surprised.

Probably one of the dumbest post I've read, considering how more than half of my post usually doesn't support Madara.
 

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Hashirama being weakened at the end of the VOTE fight proved it wasn't easy. But the only thing that brought difficulty was the Kyubi. Only that forced him to use Shisuusenju which, I think, was what took the most portion of his chakra. If Kurama were absent Hashirama would have found it much much easier to conquer Madara.
 

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Lmao, Madara held back, he didn't use Rinnegan nor did he use any moukton, both of them were restricted.

EMS Madara = Base Hashirama
EMS Madara < SM Hashirama
Edo Madara (If not restricted)>SM Hashirama
Rinnegan Madara >>>>> Any version of Hashirama

OT: I agree, people say ''Hashirama stomped Madara hurrhurrhurr'' even though we all saw that Hashirama won extreme diff

Lol, bullshit.

The Rinnegan was activated, Hashirama used the wood dragon to completely counter Gakido. Hashirama's feats of mokuton are superior, and has sage mode to enhance it and shinsusenju, so there'd be no point trying to match him.

Not to mention Hashirama divided his power into his clones, and visually didn't even appear to have any senjutsu chakra left.

The guy didn't even use the buddha.

Lol
 

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This thread is so pitiful but I'm not surprised because of who created it.
 

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This thread is so pitiful but I'm not surprised because of who created it.

It's funny because this giant retard took a good portion of his time to post on my "pitiful thread."

How about you get the f*ck out of my thread dumb@ss.
 

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It's funny because this giant retard took a good portion of his time to post on my "pitiful thread."

How about you get the f*ck out of my thread dumb@ss.

What? That took me four seconds to type. I can go into whatever thread I want. Not my fault you're an idiot known around here. Lol
 

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What? That took me four seconds to type. I can go into whatever thread I want. Not my fault you're an idiot known around here. Lol

You just making yourself look like an idiot within every second you post sh*t on my thread.

If it's pitiful, then get the hell out and don't post anything.

It's that f*cking simple, no matter how many seconds it takes you.

Of course an illiterate brat such as yourself resort to insulting threads because you have nothing else coherent to say.

Gtfo
 

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You just making yourself look like an idiot within every second you post sh*t on my thread.

If it's pitiful, then get the hell out and don't post anything.

It's that f*cking simple, no matter how many seconds it takes you.

Of course an illiterate brat such as yourself resort to insulting threads because you have nothing else coherent to say.

Gtfo

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Dude, Hashirama managed to defeat Madara using Susano'o armor Kurama...
 
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