Minato's SM didn't come of nowhere.

[Minator93]

Nice thread I personally never doubted Minato's SM since the pain arc.

 

[Valhorus]

So many ppl are still upset , sorry but that is the reality .

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Kishimoto did a fairly well job explaining why he doesn't use it. Although, Minato was never noted to be a chakra beast (Kushina was) and it's a bit odd to me that someone with mediocre skill at Senjutsu can attain perfect Sage Mode. Oh well, it's a fairly negligible ability anyway.

The asspull was Minato asking Naruto to make Sage chakra earlier in the fight when he is capable of it. Even Orochimaru who can't use Sage Mode is still able to make Sage chakra.


The real asspull to me though is Minato having Kyuubi Chakra Mode. He logically could have a Bijuu Chakra Shroud, but not Kyuubi Chakra Mode.

 

[iSpeak]

He mentioned himself and the Second because he was making a comparison between their techniques. Why mention the Second alone when Minato also has a S/T jutsu? Especially when Minato is analysing Tobi's skill in S/T jutsu and is dealing with him one-on-one...

This comparison differs from the one below... in that, they are not comparing their SMs. If Minato was doing that, then there would have been a much greater possibility of him saying something that suggests he has SM.

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Btw this is the official VIZ translation of that page (

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Minato: (He's even mastered the same Senjutsu as master Jiraiya!)
Kyubi: "He's grown into quite a son, eh Minato?
It's no wonder he managed to sweet talk my other half."

Here, Minato only mentioned Jiraiya probably because it's a way of showing respect to him. Jiraiya might have been the one that introduced Minato to SM and trained/guided/inspired him towards the goal of acquiring SM. But whatever the reasons are, Minato didn't really have to think something that suggests he has SM.


Nope, the quote "Naruto..." was also Tsunade's reaction to Naruto after he saved her from Pain's attack. Yes, Tsuande saw Jiraiya and Minato in Naruto (as demonstrated by the last panel of the previous page) but so did Gamabunta and Pa:

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Notice how Gamabunta says "Doesn't seeing him remind you of those two"? Obviously, he and Pa visualised Minato & Jiraiya in Naruto otherwise who else could those two be? Even the VIZ translation was similar:

Gamakichi: Gramps, doesn't he remind you of the two...?
Fukasaku: Indeed.... (thinking: Naruto-boy has surpassed his predecessors.)

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He was making a comparison between his and the Seconds technique? They ARE the same technique. That is my whole point. He doesn't refer to it as the Seconds technique even though we know the Tobirama invented it. He says both his and the Seconds technique. Yet, he states Naruto can use the same Senjutsu as Jiraiya... no mention of himself.

Gamabunta didn't see Minato and Jiraiya… this wasn't hinted at all. That is what Tsunade saw herself, which is why it was emphasised on the previous page right before it and why she spoke right after it. It wasn't to do with Gama and Pa. They may have been talking about anyone. Pa never once mentioned Minato using SM and Naruto never saw his name on the Senjutsu training list. Also, as many people already know, the explanation of why Minato cant use Sage Mode well contradicts how he used it in the Manga. It doesn't add up, which is why many people had a problem with it.

 

[RedRobin]

Nothing is ever an asspull, everything gets explained. Kishi wouldn't have a manga ongoing for 675 chapters if all he did was give characters asspulls. But of course every power up a character gets is an asspull according to the base.

 

[KingHashirama]

All of this has already been brought up long ago...

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The Manga hinted much more to Minato not being able to use SM, before he used it. This is why people consider it an asspull.

This image of Jiraiya and Minato behind Naruto occured before Pa made his statement. If you read the previous page, it shows a close up of Tsunade's eye watching Naruto from behind. The image was of the similarities that Tsunade saw in Naruto with Jiraiya and Minato.

This is basically why ^^^^^ people call it an asspull, that kishimoto needed ;p

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

It really did hint. But he was still fodderized HA

 

[Forbidden Twilight]

While it did seem to come out of nowhere, he did explain later why it took so damn long. Besides, Naruto was already in sage mode, no need to have two of them in it.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

All of this has already been brought up long ago...

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The Manga hinted much more to Minato not being able to use SM, before he used it. This is why people consider it an asspull.

This image of Jiraiya and Minato behind Naruto occured before Pa made his statement. If you read the previous page, it shows a close up of Tsunade's eye watching Naruto from behind. The image was of the similarities that Tsunade saw in Naruto with Jiraiya and Minato.

K um but AFTER that page, the old frog stated Naruto surpassed "BOTH"
. Tsunade AND the frog thought the same thing. The reason you think it's an ass pull is because Minato would not use it until NOW. Minato already explained a chapter after so it shouldn't be even considered an ass pull

 

[DoubleKamui]

The asspull was Minato asking Naruto to make Sage chakra earlier in the fight when he is capable of it. Even Orochimaru who can't use Sage Mode is still able to make Sage chakra.

Minato said it himself that it takes too long for him to build up the sage chakra. It's just Orochimaru is more skilled than Minato in that aspect. Plus, at that time Minato was in BM. There's nothing that suggest he has BSM.

He was making a comparison between his and the Seconds technique? They ARE the same technique. That is my whole point. He doesn't refer to it as the Seconds technique even though we know the Tobirama invented it. He says both his and the Seconds technique. Yet, he states Naruto can use the same Senjutsu as Jiraiya... no mention of himself.

No he was making a comparision between his, Tobirama and Obito's S/T jutsu. All three are expert in the field of S/T jutsu.

Gamabunta didn't see Minato and Jiraiya… this wasn't hinted at all. That is what Tsunade saw herself, which is why it was emphasised on the previous page right before it and why she spoke right after it. It wasn't to do with Gama and Pa. They may have been talking about anyone. Pa never once mentioned Minato using SM and Naruto never saw his name on the Senjutsu training list. Also, as many people already know, the explanation of why Minato cant use Sage Mode well contradicts how he used it in the Manga. It doesn't add up, which is why many people had a problem with it.

No, just no.

Did you not see the word "two"? Gamabunta was clearly referring to two IMPORTANT people. Obviously those two people are Minato and J-man.

 

[iSpeak]

No he was making a comparision between his, Tobirama and Obito's S/T jutsu. All three are expert in the field of S/T jutsu.

What? He explains Obito's S/T surpasses both his and Tobiramas, meaning Obito's Kumai surpasses FTG. Both he and Tobirama both have FTG. We know it was Tobirama who invented FTG yet Minato refers to it as his and Tobiramas even though they are the same technique. Minato says Naruto has the same Sage Mode as Jiraiya and doesn't mention himself, even though his resembles Naruto's more than Jiraiya's does.

No, just no.

Did you not see the word "two"? Gamabunta was clearly referring to two IMPORTANT people. Obviously those two people are Minato and J-man.

Okay, even if he were talking about Minato (although we do know know in what aspect the toads meant), you still choose to ignore everything else I have brought up. Naruto never saw Minato's name on the sage training list. Minato's reason for hardly ever using Sage Mode contradicts how he even entered Sage Mode. Noone ever mentioned Minato being able to use Sage Mode, including Minato himself up until he actually used it. Add to that the scans I have already posted and the fact he never used it before in situations where it would have benefited, and it is clear that the Manga had hinted much further to Minato not being able to use Sage Mode which is my point. Infact, even some Minato fans agreed. This is why it came as such a shock to many people.

 

[Dannie]

It's an asspull in my eyes.

 

[TJ600]

It kind of did.....

 

[EdoItachi]

everyone with a brain knew it wasnt an asspull, people on this site just love to *****

Pretty much lol Jiraiya was his mentor and he had SM it seems logical that Minato would learn it as well.

 

[DoubleKamui]

What? He explains Obito's S/T surpasses both his and Tobiramas, meaning Obito's Kumai surpasses FTG.

Minato wasn't being specific. We knew that Minato had another S/T technique called the S/T barrier and could potentially have more. Tobirama might have known some other S/T techniques as well. Either way, Minato said that Obito was better than himself and Tobirama in the field of S/T, overall.

We know it was Tobirama who invented FTG yet Minato refers to it as his and Tobiramas even though they are the same technique. Minato says Naruto has the same Sage Mode as Jiraiya and doesn't mention himself, even though his resembles Naruto's more than Jiraiya's does.
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I said this before and I will say it again, Minato was comparing himself, Tobirama and Obito in their S/T knowledge and skills. Minato didn't mention himself because he wasn't comparing whose SM was better. He was just stating that Naruto "had mastered the same Senjutsu as master Jiraiya". He didn't mention himself, just Jiraiya, which can be a habit especially since his sensei is Jiraiya.

Naruto never saw Minato's name on the sage training list.

Scan(s) of that list please.

Minato's reason for hardly ever using Sage Mode contradicts how he even entered Sage Mode.

No he hardly ever used SM in combat. It didn't state that he rarely used SM overall.

Noone ever mentioned Minato being able to use Sage Mode, including Minato himself up until he actually used it.

That doesn't mean sh*t, mate.

Add to that the scans I have already posted and the fact he never used it before in situations where it would have benefited, and it is clear that the Manga had hinted much further to Minato fans not being able to use Sage Mode which is my point.

Your scans have already been countered Lol
Tell me the situations where his SM was beneficial. If you're going to say "Juubito vs. Alliance" fight or other fights he has been involved in, read my OP again (if you ever did).

Infact, even some Minato fans agreed. This is why it came as such a shock to many people.

Irrelevant.

It kind of did.....

It was a bit random but by no means was it an asspull.


Btw I will be inactive for the next two days so don't expect a reply from me anytime soon.

 

[End of Days]

Its just people trying save face

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after getting proven wrong, by splitting hairs, the possibility of SM minato was always there since he was taught by jiraiya who considered minato as his own son

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now add in the fact that they more than enough time, right from childhood to adult and minato being a genius, thers is no reason why jiraya wont teach him

 

[Memento Mori]

Minato's SM isn't an asspull and only Butthurted Haters will deny mangafacts

Talking in that retarded minato haters stupid manner,I can list many Asspulls of the manga and their fav

 

[iSpeak]

Minato wasn't being specific. We knew that Minato had another S/T technique called the S/T barrier and could potentially have more. Tobirama might have known some other S/T techniques as well. Either way, Minato said that Obito was better than himself and Tobirama in the field of S/T, overall.

Minato's FTG barrier is derived from FTG, and yes, he was being specific. He was talking about S/T teleportation techniques, not S/T techniques all together.

I said this before and I will say it again, Minato was comparing himself, Tobirama and Obito in their S/T knowledge and skills. Minato didn't mention himself because he wasn't comparing whose SM was better. He was just stating that Naruto "had mastered the same Senjutsu as master Jiraiya". He didn't mention himself, just Jiraiya, which can be a habit especially since his sensei is Jiraiya.

Where the hell did you get that they were comparing knowledge? Look at the Viz translations:

Minato: ...
(Thinking) Either way... He's not ordinary! He can control Nine Tails. His teleportation ninjutsu surpasses both the Second Lord's and mine.. And his got some dangerous ideology... If I don't settle this, we'll have bigger problems than Nine Tails.

It is clear as day that he is stating that Obito's Kumai is above his and Tobirama's. Like I said, 4th and 2nd both have the same teleportation jutsu.

That doesn't mean sh*t, mate.

Yeh I agree with you there. Because why let Naruto know that Minato, who is one of the most famous ninja in the show and prodigy, Naruto's sibling student of Jiraiya, former Hokage which Naruto strives to become, only other known person who has a contract with the toads apart from Jiriaya, was thought to have been the child of prophecy like Naruto, the person who sealed the 9 tails in him, the person who Naruto greatly admired even before he found out Minato was his father and got angry when Tsunada talked bad of him, the only other person apart from Naruto who was able to perfectly balance the nature chakra. Yet everybody somehow forgot to mention this to Naruto? Seriously…

Your scans have already been countered Lol
Tell me the situations where his SM was beneficial. If you're going to say "Juubito vs. Alliance" fight or other fights he has been involved in, read my OP again (if you ever did).

My scans have been countered? All you have done is come up with excuses and your own interpretations of how their words could be perceived. I could easily say Pa meant Naruto surpassed Minato and Jiraiya in overall abilities or something. Its not that hard, but any unbiased person can clearly see that the Manga had hinted much more to Minato not being a sage which is why I said even Minato fans were surprised and confused.

 

[Gein]

Fools thinking it was an asspull

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