Minato's full potential was already shown

[Rainbow Dash]

We do not know.

But that doesn't give to the right to speculate Shiki Fujin was his strongest.

Then again, FTG is a fuin-jutsu based technique. So, just so you know, Hiraishin and contract seal are much better combat oriented seals than Shiki Fujin. (contract seal because it could rob a summoner from his summoning abilities)

So does that make him the quote on quote Unsurpassable Hokage?

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

We do not know.

But that doesn't give to the right to speculate Shiki Fujin was his strongest.

Then again, FTG is a fuin-jutsu based technique. So, just so you know, Hiraishin and contract seal are much better combat oriented seals than Shiki Fujin. (contract seal because it could rob a summoner from his summoning abilities)

BUT ..... actually that makes his side of the argument more valid, your argument is based on what minato COULD have in his arsenal and his argument is based on what minato has shown before he died (a very strong point that says : maybe that was his best sealing tech)

 

[Zetsueno]

So does that make him the quote on quote Unsurpassable Hokage?

You're just frustrated that you're losing your arguments so badly that you delicately ignore every point I make against yours and interprets something in a way that I never intended to divert from what we were previously discussing.

Oh, I'm extremely sorry, I already said that I was leaving this thread due to your incompetence, and I made posts here again.

Your dumpness is just so remarkable that it is hard to ignore.

My heartfelt apologies once again.

 

[dhaoracle]

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i defended minato and i can understand the people who say "well he is the HOKAGE, the great yellow flash and all ....." also kishi portrayed him as one of the best ever lived (away from feats). now i said in better circumstances he could have done better (not worrying about his wife, child and the village) but to the hard core minato fans, you need to provide any valid proof of him taking on kurama other than the way he already did (DGJ) ..... being able to seal the FULL raging kurama is not a simple thing and you can't expect people to go "oh well .... he is minato, he can do it" .... proof ?? he is one of the strongest ever, but does he have that ABILITY ??

Nae one person that could have done the things he did while trying to protect the village at the same time. Then you even see him say that he used up a WHOLE lot of his chakra when he transported Kurama away from the village. First he couldn't really use any big attacks because that would caused a ot of destruction from a fight between him and Kurama.

Yes we don't know his full arsenal but no one can deny that Minato did something that probably no one else could have pulled off. Not too many people could have fought Obito beat him in 3 minutes then gotten back to the village in an instant, divert a TBB, get Kurama away from the village and still have enough chakra to seal him not one but twice, and still leave enough chakra inside his son with memories of his parents.

Minato did what he did in the most effective way that he could without wasting chakra or just spamming jutsus that might work. Everything that he did was effective and made a vast difference. Nothing he did took up too much time until he finished the job of protecting the village and his son. Everything he did was very strategic, fast, on point, effective, and GENIUS!!!

 

[Zetsueno]

BUT ..... actually that makes his side of the argument more valid, your argument is based on what minato COULD have in his arsenal and his argument is based on what minato has shown before he died (a very strong point that says : maybe that was his best sealing tech)

Actually, his argument is based on simply stating that what Minato has shown before are the only techniques in his arsenal. He doesn't even know to make points to counter my arguments.

 

[Retsu]

Minato's full potential was not shown because he had to protect naruto, kushina, and the village while fighting obito and kyuubi. he only died due to protecting naruto, but other than that he's never really been pressured in a fight, and he toyed with A and Kbee, not too many ninja can actually do that. Before you dismiss him as a bust, try to realize he could more than likely do a lot more things when he's not handicapped by having his wife and son in danger, whilst trying to protect a village. Kushina said her mom taught him a lot of fuinjutsu, and minato has hardly used any. I'm sure he has a trick or two up his sleeve.

 

[metallica9565]

completely agree with you, he is one of the hardest butt-ridden characters in the entire manga, in all honesty, he's barely kage level IMO and I can't stand all the Minato solos threads... he couldn't even beat Obito during the invasion...

 

[dhaoracle]

How much more??? The only thing that has really changed in his arsenal is the Rinnegan. Nothing Obito could do now would have changed the outcome of the fight he had with Minato. Minato is not only beat Obito at his own game but he also out smarted the hell out of him. He might have not figured out how his powers fully worked like how Kakashi did but he figured out enough in the time he had to defeat him when it is damn near impossible to even touch him. It took the minds of three people to just break the mask on Obito and Minato figured it out and damaged Obito all in two moves.

His moves might now be all spectacular like how some Shinobi but they are effective and very quick to the point like how he is. Minato is known to be the fastest Ninja ever so why shouldn't his jutsus be the same way without all that dazzle that everyone is looking for.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Actually, his argument is based on simply stating that what Minato has shown before are the only techniques in his arsenal. He doesn't even know to make points to counter my arguments.

lol bro, the way you two view characters are different.
i guess you like minato and see that he can do more because of the way kishi portrayed him.
while he wants valid feats (proof). like i said TWICE (i disagree with the thread maker), in better circumstances minato could have done better without worrying about his wife, child and the leaf. now we still don't know his arsenal BUT you just can't dismiss his view because .... face it, it might be true, and we don't have a 100 % proof to say otherwise .... there is a difference between what you want to be true, and what could actually be true.

 

[Retsu]

completely agree with you, he is one of the hardest butt-ridden characters in the entire manga, in all honesty, he's barely kage level IMO and I can't stand all the Minato solos threads... he couldn't even beat Obito during the invasion...

wtf does the bold have to do with anything? Itachi saw obito invading by himself and became his patsy by aligning himself with him to try and keep the village safe, valiant, but lame. Minato saw obito invading with the kyuubi while his newborn son and wife who had just given birth were taken hostage, and yet he still manages to fight him to a stale mate, albeit at the cost of his life. No one else could have even touched obito, so this is completely irrelevant.

 

[dhaoracle]

completely agree with you, he is one of the hardest butt-ridden characters in the entire manga, in all honesty, he's barely kage level IMO and I can't stand all the Minato solos threads... he couldn't even beat Obito during the invasion...

You are not serious are you?? Minato was either prasied or feared by some of the most powerful Shinobi in the Manga. You don't become Hokage by almost being a Kage. Plus he defeated Obito with the Rasengan and could have killed him before he took his control over Kurama away from him. That quickness of that punch could have easily been a Kunai to the gut or throat but Minato had other things on his mind like getting back the real threat that Kurama is.

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

This isn't common sense on your point it's fanboy bs. He had to use a sealing jutsu that was so strong it stole his soul that doesn't mean he doesn't have others that are slightly less powerful but just couldn't get the job done against the kyuubi but could still seal people. Rasengan doesn't require signs so it works for QuickDraw circumstances that he employs. He chose to die to give naruto power he wasn't killed. He got stabbed after he had already sealed his soul so you can't hold it against him.

 

[Zetsueno]

lol bro, the way you two view characters are different.
i guess you like minato and see that he can do more because of the way kishi portrayed him.
while he wants valid feats (proof). like i said TWICE (i disagree with the thread maker), in better circumstances minato could have done better without worrying about his wife, child and the leaf. now we still don't know his arsenal BUT you just can't dismiss his view because .... face it, it might be true, and we don't have a 100 % proof to say otherwise .... there is a difference between what you want to be true, and what could actually be true.

True - Thank you for pointing out. I was going a bit overboard.

But, nonetheless,while it is true that we don't have 100%, more probable and logical conclusion is mine. Please don't assume that I'm an arrogant guy whose over confident.

This OP states that what he said is according to common sense. But, In my opinion the more logical conclusion with more probability to happen is mine.

Right?

 

[Rainbow Dash]

You're just frustrated that you're losing your arguments so badly that you delicately ignore every point I make against yours and interprets something in a way that I never intended to divert from what we were previously discussing.

Oh, I'm extremely sorry, I already said that I was leaving this thread due to your incompetence, and I made posts here again.

Your dumpness is just so remarkable that it is hard to ignore.

My heartfelt apologies once again.

So since you don't have an answer, I guess my point is correct that Minato is a bust.

You judging techniques that haven't had screen time and on top of that, sealing techniques which derived from the uzumaki clan (masters at sealing techniques); thought to minato by kushina and you speculate that they are useless? Its no surprise really, you have already stated vaguely, that Bee could've archive minato's feats. Shows that your just one of the regular fanboys.

Getting taught =/= mastery

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Nae one person that could have done the things he did while trying to protect the village at the same time. Then you even see him say that he used up a WHOLE lot of his chakra when he transported Kurama away from the village. First he couldn't really use any big attacks because that would caused a ot of destruction from a fight between him and Kurama.

Yes we don't know his full arsenal but no one can deny that Minato did something that probably no one else could have pulled off. Not too many people could have fought Obito beat him in 3 minutes then gotten back to the village in an instant, divert a TBB, get Kurama away from the village and still have enough chakra to seal him not one but twice, and still leave enough chakra inside his son with memories of his parents.

Minato did what he did in the most effective way that he could without wasting chakra or just spamming jutsus that might work. Everything that he did was effective and made a vast difference. Nothing he did took up too much time until he finished the job of protecting the village and his son. Everything he did was very strategic, fast, on point, effective, and GENIUS!!!

well .... your love for minato is cool, and i actually like minato a lot so why are you telling me this ?? he was awesome and i can see how you're admiring what he did but, why are you telling me this ?? lol where is your proof (other sealing strong techs) you just told me what i already know (what he did) ....

 

[Avani]

I didn't mean teleport a TBB, just block or re direct it.

If Obito tries to suck in, Bee can just use Whirlwind.

and sealing Kurama is debatable with Tajuu Ink Bunshin.

Yeah.. Nine tails VS 8 tails. Hachibi already told Kurama he cannot match him. That's what I mean when I say that you are not that much different than others who make such arguments. There is nothing in a versus debate but speculation on both sides and personal wish to see a fight go their way. They are just imaginary character in the end people chose to believe their favourite one has better chances.


Minato showed his potential to deal with a situation when he got a surprise attack by someone who had time to plan that attack. He fought while knowing on the back of mind that his wife was dying, his new born son and the whole village was at risk. Killer Bee had trouble fighting Kisame when he had to pay attention to the safety of his rap teacher( forgot the name of that guy)

Zetsu cell holder Obito (which allows him to regenerate himself) ran away after getting hit with rasengan and failing to wrap him to another dimension. Minato could follow him as he had him marked but then Kurama would have destroyed the village. He was fighting two strong opponents at the same time.

Minato was the one who pointed it out to Raikage that he was not handling Killer Bee properly and hinted that he needed to see him as a person too not just as a weapon. Bee remembered it and knew he had understood something A missed. Minato's plan which he made while fighting under dire circumstances - to seal kyuubi in his son is succeeding in the current war. His foresight and understanding of his surroundings and people made him a good candidate as a hokage.

It doesn't even matter if he had any other feats to show off or not. He is a likeable character which is seen only in flash backs and whatever picture comes out of it is impressive.

Seriously making thread to tell people their opinion is wrong when you have discussed the same thing hundreds of times is not going to change anything. Especially when you show extra favouritism to another character yourself.

And if you are going to make it Killer bee vs Minato/Tobi take it to Versus threads section.

 

[Waltz]

Obito was holding back against minato being that he's shown techniques (Tsukuyomi, izanagi and large scale Katon's) which he didn't use against Minato. It's crazy to think that minato would stand a chance against Rinengan obito who has the ability to summon the Gedo Mazou and use the tailed beast contained effortlessly and even independantly.

Minato likewise could've done better if it hadn't been for his misfortune in the series of events given that he had his full chakra to face obito and obito only. Minato only opted for Shiki Fujin because it was the safest and only un-regrettable way of getting rid of the kyuubi and making an impact on naruto's life along with kushina.

Its obvious that Minato would beat MS obito in a full fight however, given his speed and analytic feats, even obito praised his moniker during their squabble on the hokage stone faces, showing that his best tech at the time (kamui) was useless against Minato's FTG and reflexes.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

True - Thank you for pointing out. I was going a bit overboard.

But, nonetheless,while it is true that we don't have 100%, more probable and logical conclusion is mine. Please don't assume that I'm an arrogant guy whose over confident.

This OP states that what he said is according to common sense. But, In my opinion the more logical conclusion with more probability to happen is mine.

Right?

hehe you just got a bit too excited (it's all good), after all it's your favourite character. tell you what, you guys wait and see the awesomeness minato will show us when he heads to battle, coz to be honest this will go on forever and none of you will win because you are not debating using the same logic (he debates based on feats, and you debate based on the way the writer portrayed his characters). btw i agree with you but some people just want feats (shown stuff) so you can't convince him to think exactly like you bro ....