Minato vs Tobirama

[KingHashirama]

1- Minato's portrayal = can't be surpassed. =ر
2- the fact you don't know that
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Tobirama's

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shunshin

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is amusing, wouldn't you agree?

lol, yeah I wondered about those things. What about you?

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and, no, you ARE being a fanboy here. Tobirama has nothing compare to that. have you not wondering whey kishi gave the savior title to Minato?
or the yellow flash? or why he always compare Naruto to him? How Tobirama was defeated by kin & gin, yet Minato was playing with Kumo's strongest
tag team? (A & B) why Tobirama and Hashirama were killed in the War, but Minato ended the 3rd War?

why is he the one who has the greater impact out of all the Hookages in this war? He's only second to his son!

Minato's portrayal = Can't be surpassed by the future generation. But where is it stated he surpassed the previous?

None of the people you mentioned knew Tobirama in their life time.. aka Hype irrelevent compared with Tobirama.

-Tobirama = Constantly worked on perfecting himself
Tobirama= BEST SHINOBI along with Hashirama. Is Minato even up there? no.

- Hell Minato's hype didn't even surpass Hiruzen's.. rofl.

- Shunshin no Jutsu = Body flicker technique .. not my fault you are reading some mistranslations.
Hiraishin no Jutsu = Flying thunder god technique...



Minato ended the 3rd war? .. show me scans of that please. Killing people for your village doesn't = ending the 3rd War. "Left near death" = defeated? Since when? Also, as I recall it was a coupde'tat... not just a 2 vs 1.. On top of that are you saying Minato can beat Kinkaku and Ginkaku? rofl.

Why did Minato commit suicide, while Tobirama saved his team?.. asking these kinds of questions is only pointless.. since we did not write the manga.

"Who is the one with greater impact of all the Hokages in the war? He's second only to his son".... is this a bloody joke?

 

[Tobby17]

oh, you're such a funny guy, no?

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yeah, he said Tobirama make preparations to fly us OUTSIDE, I still don't see anything about getting to the battlefield with FTG.

try again

 

[Ababeel]

=KingHashirama;13748912]Minato's portrayal = Can't be surpassed by the future generation. But where is it stated he surpassed the previous?

I put the pic for you my dear.
A: there was never a man who could surpass him.

None of the people you mentioned knew Tobirama in their life time.. aka Hype irrelevent compared with Tobirama.

it does not matter as Tobirama himself admitted to be inferior. Not to mention you are wrong anyway, why?
because Tsunade lived during Hashi's lifetime, and so did Jman who is at the same age at Tsunade, and since they lived
during Hashi's time so of course they lived during Tobirama's as well. Also, A know about Tobirama and how he was killed.
Hiruzen as well was Tobirama's student so he know about him.

-Tobirama = Constantly worked on perfecting himself
Tobirama= BEST SHINOBI along with Hashirama. Is Minato even up there? no.

- Not sure what does that have to do with anything?
- So, you're saying the Anbu's statement is above ALL what I have listed to you? lol, please stop, just stop.

- Hell Minato's hype didn't even surpass Hiruzen's.. rofl.

as if Hashi's or Tobirama's do. lol
prime Hiruzen is stronger than both according to the manga, so what's your point?
Hiruzen even was worried from Minato's coffen more than Hashi's or Tobi's. He even stated that he can't fight
oro and only Minato could, not to mention the night when Kurama's attacked Hiruzen himself was looking for Minato. lol

- Shunshin no Jutsu = Body flicker technique .. not my fault you are reading some mistranslations.
Hiraishin no Jutsu = Flying thunder god technique...

lol, Tobirama HIMSELF called FTG by saying shunshin 3 Times, and so did Rin, Obito, and A.
that's was the purpose of the first 5 photos, and you still couldn't understand? like seriously?

Minato ended the 3rd war? .. show me scans of that please. Killing people for your village doesn't = ending the 3rd War. "Left near death" = defeated? Since when? Also, as I recall it was a coupde'tat... not just a 2 vs 1.. On top of that are you saying Minato can beat Kinkaku and Ginkaku? rofl.

- reread Kakashi gaiden.
- reread Danzo's flashback.
- Yes, he can at the end he was playing around with

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so why on God's green earth wouldn't he be able to defeat the weaker team? Even Darui did for God's sake. XD

Why did Minato commit suicide, while Tobirama saved his team?.. asking these kinds of questions is only pointless.. since we did not write the manga.

Tobirama commit suicide as well. XD

"Who is the one with greater impact of all the Hokages in the war? He's second only to his son".... is this a bloody joke?

No, not at all.

Minato saved the entire alliance TWICE, and helped ALL to pullout obito's chakra, he saved Naruto and Sasuke several times.
and helped Tobirama's several other times, he was the one who prepared everything to use the barrier, and the one who stopped
Madara from reviving himself.

What has Hashi done? TnJ? XD
and they even told him to STFU.

Hiruzen the only thing he did is saving Naruto one time.

Tobirama, helped attacking obito with the others, and he did a nice job with obito's bomb, and that's it.

thay are all pales in front of Minato's achievements in this war.

 

[Tobby17]

The denial is strong, you almost remind me of obito when he said that he did not do all this stuff because of rin. XD

fine, if you can tell me when Tobirama placed a seal on the battlefield or why Minato wouldn't just use FTG to get all the other Hokages to the battlefield in an instant if he already had seals there..

oh wait, they didn't even get there instantly..

 

[KingHashirama]

I put the pic for you my dear.
A: there was never a man who could surpass him.

it does not matter as Tobirama himself admitted to be inferior. Not to mention you are wrong anyway, why?
because Tsunade lived during Hashi's lifetime, and so did Jman who is at the same age at Tsunade, and since they lived
during Hashi's time so of course they lived during Tobirama's as well. Also, A know about Tobirama and how he was killed.
Hiruzen as well was Tobirama's student so he know about him.

- Not sure what does that have to do with anything?
- So, you're saying the Anbu's statement is above ALL what I have listed to you? lol, please stop, just stop.

as if Hashi's or Tobirama's do. lol
prime Hiruzen is stronger than both according to the manga, so what's your point?
Hiruzen even was worried from Minato's coffen more than Hashi's or Tobi's. He even stated that he can't fight
oro and only Minato could, not to mention the night when Kurama's attacked Hiruzen himself was looking for Minato. lol
lol, Tobirama HIMSELF called FTG by saying shunshin 3 Times, and so did Rin, Obito, and A.
that's was the purpose of the first 5 photos, and you still couldn't understand? like seriously?
- reread Kakashi gaiden.
- reread Danzo's flashback.
- Yes, he can at the end he was playing around with

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so why on God's green earth wouldn't he be able to defeat the weaker team? Even Darui did for God's sake. XD
Tobirama commit suicide as well. XD
No, not at all.
Minato saved the entire alliance TWICE, and helped ALL to pullout obito's chakra, he saved Naruto and Sasuke several times.
and helped Tobirama's several other times, he was the one who prepared everything to use the barrier, and the one who stopped
Madara from reviving himself.
What has Hashi done? TnJ? XD
and they even told him to STFU.
Hiruzen the only thing he did is saving Naruto one time.
Tobirama, helped attacking obito with the others, and he did a nice job with obito's bomb, and that's it.
thay are all pales in front of Minato's achievements in this war.

Yes because little kids know about their grandparents right.. rofl. Hell people didn't even believe Hashirama had the powers he was said to have.. rofl. Ay doesn't even know how Tobirama was killed.. ..

- Anbu's statement is not only their statement but what the position of Tobirama and Hashirama is at that time. "HAILED AS THE BEST SHINOBI".. Meaning those 2 were still hailed the best shinobi. Also, are you expecting Hiruzen to praise Tobirama? .. why? .... Minato was only praised by his teacher and the people he fought.. period.

- Sadly, no Prime Hiruzen is not even stated to be stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama according to the manga.

- Hiruzen was looking for Minato because he was the god damn Hokage... There is a reason why Hiruzen retired.. if he still had the power to go on.. he wouldn't have retired. rofl. #fail logic.

- Sir again, Hirashin no jutsu = FTG. Please understand. Either those translations are mistranslations.. or they are simply referring to body flicker technique.

- Seems like you aren't even up to date on the manga are simply naive and not even understand the events of the manga. Darui never defeated Kinkaku and Ginkaku bros by himself.. so get real.

- Minato saved the alliance twice.. good for him. But Hashirama is the only reason they even got a chance at beating Obito or Madara.. Notice how I never mentioned who was more important.. because i understand that manga events lead to other manga events. Hence this BS about "who is important" is pointless.

- Saving Naruto = Saving plot.. rofl

- Tobirama = Minato's/Sasuke's/Naruto's savior. (since you wanna be so dependent on who saved who).

 

[WolfHaley]

A lot of Tobirama hate on these forums.

What? Even Tobirama said his FTG is inferior to minatos. Tobirama has nothing to kill Minato with

*Shunshin

*More analytical

And he is... Tobirama has minimal exposure in the manga and people deeming him more analytical is a farce. Minato devised a way to counter and or counter-act Kamui in mere seconds (one chapter) whereas it took the alliance and one of the best analyzers in the series (Kakashi) 10+ chapters to do so.

We all know you're against this because Minato is > Itachi....

Tobirama is definitely more analytical. He knew about Sennin Mode affecting Juubito before Minato, so that already makes him more analytical. He also noted that Juubito's special attacks can hurt edos.

Lol.. How did people come to the conclusion that minato is more analytically than tobirama? Fanfiction at it's finest.

No idea.

lol @ the above post. Tobirama is going to tank Rasengan? Dafuq? :leaf: Holding onto an Onmyoton bomb=/=being damaged by it.

Anyway, Minato poops on this clown and mid diff is the highest it goes despite what anyone says, cause current feats don't allow him to give Minato a hard fight let alone defeat him.

-His Hiraishin is mobile via the use of Kunai, so he can use it to attack much quicker and more efficient than Tobirama can, the latter can use his sword, but its not going to help when something like

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-He needs to touch his target to actually be able to use Hiraishin to teleport to them due to lack of Kunai, but he is never, ever going to lay a hand on Minato. The notion alone is ridiculous.

Once he's cornered by Minato's Kunai its over for him, because he won't be able to quickly teleport out of range due to his Hiraishin's lack of mobility and he isn't going to evade Minato's teleportation strike on foot. End result?

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happens to Tobirama at the end of this fight, one way or another.

He won't tank it, but grab it. Please tell me how he won't. You act as if I said he can literally tank it?

 

[Transcendence]

analytical? Funny because when I typed that my Laptop auto corrected it because it wrong via red underline?ZzzZzz

Anyways regarding Tobirama and Minato being more observant I can care less but when Minato fans go wild and and say Minato is Superior is clearly fanfiction. Regarding Minato making a counter-act against his kamui when they fought is hardly worth mentioning when Danzo's subordinates Fu and Torune were able to break down Obito's kamui during their first encounter[

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] and obito praises them for that.

Regarding kakashi he did speculate obito or rather tobi did in fact use space time ninjutsu[

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] but rather dismissed his Idea moments later. It was only when during the war kakashi was going toe and toe with obito to make a better analyzing of obitos kamui.

Anyways regarding Tobirama is screen panel time is of little importance here, he still displayed *analytical* feats which deserve to be praised, funny thing is neither Minato has had that much screen time or analytical feats throughout the manga. His best observation feat is countering kamui unless im mistaken?

Minato>Itachi? Finger genjutsu saids hi. And if Im correct Kakashi broke down obitos kamui further than Minato did.

How is it fanfiction? Because you deem it so? Tobirama's analytical feats are in aid from other characters. He wasn't the one to figure out that Juubito's weakness was Senjutsu; Naruto figured that out and they just combined for an attack based on Naruto's deductions.

Minato did that in 1 chapter. Give him 10 chapters (that he'll do in 5 or less) and he'll figure out that he's sending his body to another place. And he was the first to figure out that it was a S/T ninjutsu, so what are you proposing? Fu and Torune didn't deduce his technique either. They just found out that he had to materialize to attack and that attacks pass through him, effectively making him have "no corporeal form". No mention of them saying he sent his body parts to another dimension.

Minato's minimal feats given analytical ability lay waste to Tobirama's given he was by himself in his panel time, whereas Tobirama had aid. And if you mention Tobirama's knowledge of Onmyoudon, that has nothing to do with analysis. It has to do with him being from the damn Senju clan and there being a near certainty that there is something reminiscent of the Uchiha tablet passed down in their clan (cue; Hashirama knowing about Rinne Tensei and it being the most secretive technique of the Rinnegan's powers). It's the same case as if you call Madara the most intelligent in the manga but then you come to the realization his "intelligence" all comes from what he read off the Uchiha Tablet. He's more knowledgeable than intelligent/analytical (Like Tobirama), which is different than analyzing a situation.

And finger Genjutsu? Really? Itachi fans have fallen...

@SSJ Vegito

Tobirama is definitely more analytical. He knew about Sennin Mode affecting Juubito before Minato, so that already makes him more analytical. He also noted that Juubito's special attacks can hurt edos.

Naruto figured that out, and him knowing about Onmyoudon is due to his bloodline, not his analytical ability.

 

[WolfHaley]

How is it fanfiction? Because you deem it so? Tobirama's analytical feats are in aid from other characters. He wasn't the one to figure out that Juubito's weakness was Senjutsu; Naruto figured that out and they just combined for an attack based on Naruto's deductions.

Minato did that in 1 chapter. Give him 10 chapters (that he'll do in 5 or less) and he'll figure out that he's sending his body to another place. And he was the first to figure out that it was a S/T ninjutsu, so what are you proposing? Fu and Torune didn't deduce his technique either. They just found out that he had to materialize to attack and that attacks pass through him, effectively making him have "no corporeal form". No mention of them saying he sent his body parts to another dimension.

Minato's minimal feats given analytical ability lay waste to Tobirama's given he was by himself in his panel time, whereas Tobirama had aid. And if you mention Tobirama's knowledge of Onmyoudon, that has nothing to do with analysis. It has to do with him being from the damn Senju clan and there being a near certainty that there is something reminiscent of the Uchiha tablet passed down in their clan (cue; Hashirama knowing about Rinne Tensei and it being the most secretive technique of the Rinnegan's powers). It's the same case as if you call Madara the most intelligent in the manga but then you come to the realization his "intelligence" all comes from what he read off the Uchiha Tablet. He's more knowledgeable than intelligent/analytical (Like Tobirama), which is different than analyzing a situation.

And finger Genjutsu? Really? Itachi fans have fallen...

@SSJ Vegito



Naruto figured that out, and him knowing about Onmyoudon is due to his bloodline, not his analytical ability.

Naruto figured it out. Yes, that is because he is getting better. Guess who didn't figure it out? Minato. And the rest of the alliance. No, Tobirama figured it out because of his analytical ability.

 

[KingHashirama]

@Abaleel.. mate you can believe whatever you want. Don't wanna bother with this topic anymore.

 

[Ababeel]

fine, if you can tell me when Tobirama placed a seal on the battlefield or why Minato wouldn't just use FTG to get all the other Hokages to the battlefield in an instant if he already had seals there..

oh wait, they didn't even get there instantly..

Go and ask kishi, it's him who write the manga. He said that, and therefore, we should take it. Simple.

[=KingHashirama;13749048]Yes because little kids know about their grandparents right.. rofl. Hell people didn't even believe Hashirama had the powers he was said to have.. rofl. Ay doesn't even know how Tobirama was killed.. ..

- yes, she do know about his sealing abilities, and his jutsus as she explained it to the other kages, but she most likely does not know
about the Buddha..

- A already explained what Kin & Gin did to him, what's your prove that he does not know?

- Anbu's statement is not only their statement but what the position of Tobirama and Hashirama is at that time. "HAILED AS THE BEST SHINOBI".. Meaning those 2 were still hailed the best shinobi. Also, are you expecting Hiruzen to praise Tobirama? .. why? .... Minato was only praised by his teacher and the people he fought.. period.

- The same can be said about Minato, and Hiruzen, it's their position!
- Tobirama was only hailed by ONE anbu for the entire series, and none of who fought him praised him. lol

- Sadly, no Prime Hiruzen is not even stated to be stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama according to the manga.

Stop being delusional, that's just sad.


「三代目は　特に歴代の中でも最強と言われポロフェッサーと呼ばれた天才だったんだぞ！」
"The sandaime, in particular, was a genius nicknamed the 'Professor,' and was called the strongest of all the Hokage".



Databook 1, Page 117
"プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴代最強の火影

The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.


Databook 1, Page 119
"歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影を形 容する言葉はに満ちている.

"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.



DB2 Pg 84
Konohamaru paragraph:
歴代最強の火影と謳われた、三代目� �血を継ぐ木ノ葉丸。“木ノ葉崩し”� ��より敬愛する祖父を失い、その心は 悲しみに覆われる。だが必ずや里を� �る大樹に成長するであろう。果てぬ� ��標の祖父を目指して・ ・・！！

Konohamaru, descended from Sandaime, who was praised as history’s strongest Hokage

- Hiruzen was looking for Minato because he was the god damn Hokage... There is a reason why Hiruzen retired.. if he still had the power to go on.. he wouldn't have retired. rofl. #fail logic.

Minato saved Hiruzen from the TBB + it was stated that 10 years younger Hiruzen would have been able to defeat Oro (with your beloved
Hashi and Tobi) and Kurama's attack was 13 years before that statement.

- Sir again, Hirashin no jutsu = FTG. Please understand. Either those translations are mistranslations.. or they are simply referring to body flicker technique.

FTG = Teleporting

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your just too delusional too accept reality. You can't face it, can you?

it's just too stupid to comprehend that you think Minato used "shunshin" too TELEPRT to his SEAL on obito's back.
or when Tobirama stated to use shunshin to TELEPORT the fodders in chapter 650. Just stop, that's kinda pathetic. Zzz

- Seems like you aren't even up to date on the manga are simply naive and not even understand the events of the manga. Darui never defeated Kinkaku and Ginkaku bros by himself.. so get real.

It's so irony that you are taking about naivety, wouldn't you agree?
Darui cut Kinkaku's arm

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He must be thankful that he's an edo. At the same time he attacked BOTH with his laser

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he cut Ginkaku, again he would have been dead had he not been an edo

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he sealed Ginkaku, then he did need help to seal Kinkaku in his 6tails form.

- Minato saved the alliance twice.. good for him. But Hashirama is the only reason they even got a chance at beating Obito or Madara.. Notice how I never mentioned who was more important.. because i understand that manga events lead to other manga events. Hence this BS about "who is important" is pointless.

- Bullshit.
- lol, you ARE the one who lead us to this in the first place.

- Tobirama = Minato's/Sasuke's/Naruto's savior. (since you wanna be so dependent on who saved who).

Nah, Minato was going to teleport it anyway by himself.

anyway, lest stop here, I don't like to waste my time in an endless debates, I have already posted all the statements and some of
Minato's feats that put him way above Tobirama's level. I could careless if you don't want to believe the manga and chose to take
your own opinion over Kishi's.

Thanks for your time.

 

[KingHashirama]

lol, at least we agreed on something. =D

baahahhaha. I would counter that post. But it so big, and i wanna watch my man of steel dvd pack. =D

 

[Transcendence]

Naruto figured it out. Yes, that is because he is getting better. Guess who didn't figure it out? Minato. And the rest of the alliance. No, Tobirama figured it out because of his analytical ability.

How does that discredit Minato's analytical ability? Tobirama didn't figure it out. Don't give him a feat he doesn't have. Naruto noticed that Onmyoudon makes all Ninjutsu nothing, so he proposed Senjutsu. Tobirama didn't propose it, he only combined for a combo attack based on Naruto's proposition.

 

[WolfHaley]

How does that discredit Minato's analytical ability? Tobirama didn't figure it out. Don't give him a feat he doesn't have. Naruto noticed that Onmyoudon makes all Ninjutsu nothing, so he proposed Senjutsu. Tobirama didn't propose it, he only combined for a combo attack based on Naruto's proposition.

Notice that the translation said something along the lines of "he noticed as well".

Could you somehow obtain the VIZ for 642?

 

[Transcendence]

Notice that the translation said something along the lines of "he noticed as well".

Could you somehow obtain the VIZ for 642?

No I cannot. Inquire from someone else. I doubt it would deviate from anything we've discussed.

 

[Ababeel]

Notice that the translation said something along the lines of "he noticed as well".

Could you somehow obtain the VIZ for 642?

I assume you were talking about this?

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[KidGamer65]

He won't tank it, but grab it. Please tell me how he won't. You act as if I said he can literally tank it?

Please tell me you aren't serious with this nonsense....if he tries to stupidly grab Rasengan when Minato is trying to slam it down on him, it explodes and he dies.

 

[TheTailedSage]

He won't tank it, but grab it. Please tell me how he won't. You
act as if I said he can literally tank it?

This is fap on a whole new level

 

[EKSITE]

Tobirama takes this for sure Minato has better Speed & Variety of FTG but Tobirama reaction and battle tactics are more impressive.


Minato was reaching for Juubito black explosive orbs Tobirama Shadow clone quickly jumped in without FTG grabbed sent it back to Juubito.

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Tobirama reacts quicker then Minato also here to save naruto .

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Tobirama notices alot of more things then Minato did.

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When it comes to arsenal minato has the advantage threw different combinations and all but battling features Tobirama has shown to be more impressive a much quick thinker ,intelligent, Battle tacticer im giving it to tobirama.

 

[Prince Charles]

How is it fanfiction? Because you deem it so? Tobirama's analytical feats are in aid from other characters. He wasn't the one to figure out that Juubito's weakness was Senjutsu; Naruto figured that out and they just combined for an attack based on Naruto's deductions.

Minato did that in 1 chapter. Give him 10 chapters (that he'll do in 5 or less) and he'll figure out that he's sending his body to another place. And he was the first to figure out that it was a S/T ninjutsu, so what are you proposing? Fu and Torune didn't deduce his technique either. They just found out that he had to materialize to attack and that attacks pass through him, effectively making him have "no corporeal form". No mention of them saying he sent his body parts to another dimension.

Minato's minimal feats given analytical ability lay waste to Tobirama's given he was by himself in his panel time, whereas Tobirama had aid. And if you mention Tobirama's knowledge of Onmyoudon, that has nothing to do with analysis. It has to do with him being from the damn Senju clan and there being a near certainty that there is something reminiscent of the Uchiha tablet passed down in their clan (cue; Hashirama knowing about Rinne Tensei and it being the most secretive technique of the Rinnegan's powers). It's the same case as if you call Madara the most intelligent in the manga but then you come to the realization his "intelligence" all comes from what he read off the Uchiha Tablet. He's more knowledgeable than intelligent/analytical (Like Tobirama), which is different than analyzing a situation.

And finger Genjutsu? Really? Itachi fans have fallen...

@SSJ Vegito



Naruto figured that out, and him knowing about Onmyoudon is due to his bloodline, not his analytical ability.

Wont waste my time arguing with you U_U. But regarding that Itachi remark we have not fallen, I see nothing wrong in what I said as seeing finger genjutsu is deadly as it is with no intel on it.

 

[Champ]

Tobirama takes this for sure Minato has better Speed & Variety of FTG but Tobirama reaction and battle tactics are more impressive.


Minato was reaching for Juubito black explosive orbs Tobirama Shadow clone quickly jumped in without FTG grabbed sent it back to Juubito.

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Tobirama reacts quicker then Minato also here to save naruto .

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Tobirama notices alot of more things then Minato did.

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When it comes to arsenal minato has the advantage threw different combinations and all but battling features Tobirama has shown to be more impressive a much quick thinker ,intelligent, Battle tacticer im giving it to tobirama.

I agree, Senju