Minato VS Tobirama comparison.

[Mad Titan Thanos]

1. That's irrelevant because his Edos aren't fighting Minato. He's using them for explosions. They are bombs. He can try and seal them away, but he'll need to get close and when he does he goes boom due to GOjo.

2. None of what you said matters.

-Superhuman strength? Taijutsu and Genjutsu? He doesn't use Genjutsu, and Taijutsu and strength don't matter against Tobirama when the first person who gets tagged will most likely die or take a heavy hit. They don't help him catch Tobirama so they don't matter. You can argue that it makes it easier to kill him once he's caught him, but Tobirama wouldn't survive one of Minato's strikes in Base anyway.

-That logic makes no sense. Minato's reflexes being OP doesn't mean that they are above Tobirama's with SM. Tobirama's best feat is reacting to a JJ. SM Minato has no feat better than that. SM Minato isn't faster than KCM Minato who got raped in CQC by Obito while Tobirama reacted to him and tagged him. Tobirama is faster than SM Minato.

3. Assuming Minato can run from someone faster than him long enough to do that, then there's the fact he needs to run away long enough to summon them like Jiraiya had to do, and during that he has to keep his hands clapped together.

I never denied Tobirama beats MInato in direct fight I am simply saying due to SM and frog summons (Ma,Pa, Gamabunta) he is overall stronger.

Only thing Tobirama has over Minato is better reflexes.

And Btw Tobirama tagged JJ Obito but his body was destroyed that wasn´t really astonishing feat since he didnt actually have to care about dodging because he was Edo.If he dodged Obito attack without any damage and manage to tagg him than we could talk about his reflexes.

 

[KidGamer65]

I never denied Tobirama beats MInato in direct fight I am simply saying due to SM and frog summons (Ma,Pa, Gamabunta) he is overall stronger.

Only thing Tobirama has over Minato is better reflexes.

And Btw Tobirama tagged JJ Obito but his body was destroyed that wasn´t really astonishing feat since he didnt actually have to care about dodging because he was Edo.If he dodged Obito attack without any damage and manage to tagg him than we could talk about his reflexes.

Except he's not.

-More firepower/Better Arsenal.
-He's faster.

There is nothing that makes Minato stronger than Tobirama even with Sage Mode. He has no advantages over him that'd matter when ranking overall strength and you've yet to actually explain your line of reasoning. :lol Just saying "Minato is overall stronger" as a response to someone showing how Minato gets beaten isn't gonna prove your argument or even support.


And lmao 2 years later people still argue this. Tobirama tagged Obito with the part of his body that was destroyed, something you can clearly see based on Tobirama's position relative to the position of Obito and the marking he placed on Obito. Meaning the tag had to have been placed before he was destroyed. Meaning Tobirama reacted to and touched Obito. That's all before Obito hits him. Minato has no feat that surpasses him reacting to a JJ. You guys love to reach with this argument yet you continue to ignore the fact that a reaction is a reaction. He reacted, thus there's nothing more to discuss on that particular topic.

 

[Unorthodox]

And lmao 2 years later people still argue this. Tobirama tagged Obito with the part of his body that was destroyed, something you can clearly see based on Tobirama's position relative to the position of Obito and the marking he placed on Obito. Meaning the tag had to have been placed before he was destroyed. Meaning Tobirama reacted to and touched Obito. That's all before Obito hits him. Minato has no feat that surpasses him reacting to a JJ. You guys love to reach with this argument yet you continue to ignore the fact that a reaction is a reaction. He reacted, thus there's nothing more to discuss on that particular topic.

Minato>=Madara alive speed (Not counting ftg)

Give him Sm he should win Madara ragdolled tobirama from the blind

 

[KidGamer65]

Minato>=Madara alive speed (Not counting ftg)

Give him Sm he should win Madara ragdolled tobirama from the blind

None of that changes anything I said, not to mention the above isn't based on anything.

 

[EZQ]

Minato>=Madara alive speed (Not counting ftg)

Give him Sm he should win Madara ragdolled tobirama from the blind

Alive Madara's reflexes >>> Minato's.

 

[kiiro]

1. That's irrelevant because his Edos aren't fighting Minato. He's using them for explosions. They are bombs. He can try and seal them away, but he'll need to get close and when he does he goes boom due to GOjo.

2. None of what you said matters.

-Superhuman strength? Taijutsu and Genjutsu? He doesn't use Genjutsu, and Taijutsu and strength don't matter against Tobirama when the first person who gets tagged will most likely die or take a heavy hit. They don't help him catch Tobirama so they don't matter. You can argue that it makes it easier to kill him once he's caught him, but Tobirama wouldn't survive one of Minato's strikes in Base anyway.

-That logic makes no sense. Minato's reflexes being OP doesn't mean that they are above Tobirama's with SM. Tobirama's best feat is reacting to a JJ. SM Minato has no feat better than that. SM Minato isn't faster than KCM Minato who got raped in CQC by Obito while Tobirama reacted to him and tagged him. Tobirama is faster than SM Minato.

3. Assuming Minato can run from someone faster than him long enough to do that, then there's the fact he needs to run away long enough to summon them like Jiraiya had to do, and during that he has to keep his hands clapped together.

1.- Tobirama wont even have time to summon Edos, and if he does, the edos will be to slow to catch Minato off guard and him far from Tobirama, the wont be not even 10 meters away from each other. Now, Minato can undo the Edo Summin with his contract seal. So irrelevant.

2.- Irrelevant? Seriously? Yes, he doesn't use Genjutsu ( nothing says he cant) but seriously your argument as saying that SM is irrelevant is so stupid. Strenth and Taijutsu doesn't matter against Tobirama? Why not?

I am pretty sure that that is how he fighted Izuna and barely won, i am sure that in matter to out a seal on his rival he need to enter in a CQC were Minato's speed os already unparalleled just as his strike speed and his reflexes.

And no, Tobirama didn't react against Obito V1, Tobirama couldn't react and could barly put seals on him at the cost of his life if he was alive. Show me a feat were Tobirama does the same without losing something?

Also that was the V1 of Obito, Minato could react to Obito's snicky kicks while trying to save Naruto and Sasuke. And only lost an arm to V2 Obito. Minato biggest reaction feat is getting between Madara and Gai and getting away with the seeker balls. And that was a serius Minato and not a one who was carelees because he was unaware of the effects of the seeker balls. Minato even said we take more care t fighting against the seeker balls that can neg everything.

3.- You are wrong, Jiraiya needed to clap his hands together because he not only summon them, he summon them already with the sage mode in him. It was a different ritual to summon the frogs already attached to him with sage mode that is why he went from normal to sage mode quit quickly. And Tobirama isn't faster.

 

[KidGamer65]

1.- Tobirama wont even have time to summon Edos, and if he does, the edos will be to slow to catch Minato off guard and him far from Tobirama, the wont be not even 10 meters away from each other. Now, Minato can undo the Edo Summin with his contract seal. So irrelevant.

2.- Irrelevant? Seriously? Yes, he doesn't use Genjutsu ( nothing says he cant) but seriously your argument as saying that SM is irrelevant is so stupid. Strenth and Taijutsu doesn't matter against Tobirama? Why not?

I am pretty sure that that is how he fighted Izuna and barely won, i am sure that in matter to out a seal on his rival he need to enter in a CQC were Minato's speed os already unparalleled just as his strike speed and his reflexes.

And no, Tobirama didn't react against Obito V1, Tobirama couldn't react and could barly put seals on him at the cost of his life if he was alive. Show me a feat were Tobirama does the same without losing something?

Also that was the V1 of Obito, Minato could react to Obito's snicky kicks while trying to save Naruto and Sasuke. And only lost an arm to V2 Obito. Minato biggest reaction feat is getting between Madara and Gai and getting away with the seeker balls. And that was a serius Minato and not a one who was carelees because he was unaware of the effects of the seeker balls. Minato even said we take more care t fighting against the seeker balls that can neg everything.

3.- You are wrong, Jiraiya needed to clap his hands together because he not only summon them, he summon them already with the sage mode in him. It was a different ritual to summon the frogs already attached to him with sage mode that is why he went from normal to sage mode quit quickly. And Tobirama isn't faster.

1. First sentence is based on nothing. Minato himself isn't even faster than Tobirama except for Shunshin so without wanking off to Minato please tell me how he's not going to be able to clap his hands and summon Edo Tensei? :lol. Ridiculous. Contract Seal is irrelevant because Edo Tensei doesn't work via any type of contract. The edo is controlled by the user's chakra. Minato can't do shit about that connection so he can't stop Edo Tensei. The edos being slow is irrelevant because they are human BOMBS.

2. Why would strength matter here? He's not fast enough to tag Tobirama. Same goes for Taijutsu. Boosting his Taijutsu and Strength stats is pointless when he can't touch Tobirama. Period. Minato's speed being unparalleled is just more wank.

-Obito charges Tobirama.
-Tobirama tags him.
-Tobirama then gets hit.

That's a reaction no matter what petty excuses you people try to make. Show me a feat where Minato has reacted to someone faster than Obito in base or in Sage Mode and then we'll talk about him being comparable to Tobirama in that department. Didn't know that KCM Minato reacting to Obito's kick was the same as SM Minato reacting to Obito's Shunshin. :lol Nonsense comparison. He got wrecked by Obito when he engaged him. Obito hit him before he could teleport away. That's not a feat worth mentioning either.

Bold is another feat that Minato supporters love to blow out of proportion. Reacting to the Gudo Dama w/ Hiraishin isn't a feat worth noting when Obito is fast enough to react to the Gudo Dama and block them with his own staff.

3. If what Jiraiya did wasn't necessary then he would've just summoned them and then fused with them and entered Sage Mode right then and there instead of waiting an entire chapter to summon them. So yeah, no. Tobirama's reaction feats are superior. All you people can do is make the same petty excuses. Miss me with that BS.

 

[NarutoX28]

People seriously need to understand that Minato doesn't have Legendary Speed or Reflexes. The Databook makes that very clear through the fact that he only obtained his moniker through FTG. He's not legendary without Hiraishin and he certainly wouldn't have been famous or received a title like Hanzo or Jiraiya did had he not even obtained it in the first place. Even a Jonin level ninja didn't bat an eye up until Minato warped behind him and that's when he took into consideration of the "flee on sight" orders that he was originally given.

As for Tobirama and Minato, the manga's rather clear that Minato's Shunshin is flat out better than his as he's able to travel significantly large distances very quickly with his Shunshin. This is where Tobirama compliments Minato with, "You're quick to act," signifying Tobirama's inferiority in the situation as he couldn't accomplish what Minato did. However, we're given a relatively similar scenario with Tobirama when he reacts to Juubito's Shunshin. KCM Minato wasn't even completely aware of what was happening until after Tobirama initiated his plan. This is where instead of Tobirama, KCM Minato states, "You're quick to act," emphasizing that KCM Minato couldn't have accomplished that same reaction feat that Tobirama did.

That's the language Kishimoto used for Tobirama and Minato. Tobirama's statement simply confirmed that Minato outclassed him in Shunshin while Minato's statement confirmed that Tobirama outclassed him in reaction speed.

Minato has the better Shunshin, Tobirama has the better reaction speed. I'm honestly not sure how that's difficult to understand.