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Cuz Bunta can dodge Totsuka. It was never said that he couldn't be avoided. Just cuz he stabbed an immobile Nagato and a legless Orochimaru who let it hit him doesn't mean Totsuka is light speed or anything Lol
Seems like you are serious with this. Totsuka is just a weapon wielded by Susanoo, which however is lightning fast, its attacks are proven to have a speed almost unable to dodge. So if you don't have an outstanding speed, you will indeed get blitzed by it.
 

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Oh please, Amaterasu is listed as short range for crying out loud, yet Sasuke used it on Killer Bee from very far away. It was never specified that contact was a requirement. In the manga, he stood VERY FaR from Kurama and used Shiki Fuujin. Then, still standing VERY FAR from Kurama, he summoned the throne and said 'Now for the Eight Trigrams Seal'
This proves that it can be used from a distance? Just because something wasn't said doesn't mean its true. None of this matters as Itachi can easily destroy the altar.

Shiki Fujin=/=Hakke Fuuin, bears no relevance here.
 

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Seems like you are serious with this. Totsuka is just a weapon wielded by Susanoo, which however is lightning fast, its attacks are proven to have a speed almost unable to dodge. So if you don't have an outstanding speed, you will indeed get blitzed by it.
Exactly how can you prove this? Lol
 

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Forgotten about totsuka lol. But even then, using totsuka to seal would be a great error in this case. The totsuka sealing is not that fast(as demonstrated against Orochimaru or Nagato). The time it takes to seal Gamabunta, Minato can take opportunity to summon another Toad above his Susanoo and thus crushing it, or at least creating an oppening to finish him with a FTG-Rasengan combo, or even a space-time barrier teleporting Itachi out of his Susanoo and ending with a rasengan. He would need to deactivate Susanoo before using Amaterasu simply because he has never shown the capacity to use both at the same time canonically. It's not as if MS techniques are things that Itachi can spam anyway especially with his stamina problem
I fail to see how a toad is going to crush Itachi's Final Susanoo equipped with Yata Mirror, when a lower version of Susanoo blocked most of Kirin's blast.

How can he make a S/T Barrier to teleport Itachi outside of his Susanoo? How can he even spawn an S/T Barrier inside Susanoo?



Bunta avoided Shukaku's attacks. Ain't like Susanoo is faster than a Bijuu.

Also, if Itachi uses Full Susanoo right off the bat he is severely diminishing his reserves.
He only needs Full Susanoo active for like what? Less than a minute to seal Bunta and then he can revert to V2.



Cuz Bunta can dodge Totsuka. It was never said that he couldn't be avoided. Just cuz he stabbed an immobile Nagato and a legless Orochimaru who let it hit him doesn't mean Totsuka is light speed or anything Lol
I hope you two aren't serious (Not Bogard)

Orochimaru couldn't even finish his sentence before Totsuka hit him and he was staring right at Itachi.


@bold: Let it hit him? He didn't even see the sword coming, he couldn't have let it hit him.
 

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Key point being only for a few seconds. You don't know the intricacies of Dusk Crow. We've argued whether its obvious from the start or not. According to what we saw in the manga, it is. Minato would break it and teleport away from whatever Itachi brings. Itachi can't do much in that time.

Heck even with a Sharingan genjutsu on A, Onoki had the time to make a golem and save the Raikage before any Susanoo could touch him.

The small window of opportunity is usually too small as shown in many instances in the manga. Example-when Shee genjutsu'd Sasuke. Suigetsu and Juugo could protect him before even V1 armor Raikage could touch him.

We also see when Itachi tried to attack Kurenai whilst she was under her own genjutsu. She broke free and dodged.

Even Itachi and Sasuke could break Kabuto's sound genjutsu in the manga before Kabuto could attack.

Shikamaru immediately broke Tayuya's genjutsu

When the genjutsu is breakable and obvious, it has never been effective In the manga so far.

Bee could break Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu in time.
Itachi's only option is trying to blitz Minato immediately. Probably not happening since all Minato has to do is form a hand seal to break the gen(it'll take Itachi longer to run at Minato than for Minato to form a single hand seal)

Itachi himself said it. A genjutsu which yyour opponent can escape is dangerous. Itachi might just get close to Minato only for Minato to break it and kill him due to close proximity. He can't prep Amaterasu in the time so that's no worry and as shown by Madara against A, Susanoo is slow as well. His best option would be to throw weapons or blitz Minato.

Weapons....Minato can break genj and disappear, heck Bee could break, bring out swords and counter!

Blitz....too dangerous, Minato could do what he did to Raikage; tftg away leaving a kunai behind, teleport behind Itachi and kill 'em. Considering he'll be in the same situation as Obito and Raikage it would be impossible for him to activate Susanoo or dodge.

Nice post, but dusk crow is far from obvious, and the majority of genjutsu are breakable, so I don't see how that changes anything.... all the genjutus you called out were obvious ones so it's obvious that the ninjas broke them quickly.. Tayuya knew it was her genjutsu being used, knew that the tree wrapping around her was a genjutsu, and her immediate course of action was a genjutsu... same with shikimaru who knew he was in a genjutsu as well , thus his response would be to break it...
You don't know you're in dusk crow genjutsu until you either figure it out yourself, or Itachi shows/ tell you... as seen with Naruto who was in the genjutsu the moment he saw and started charging at Itachi, even before the crows came out.. as seen as once the genjutsu ended he was at the same position he started the conversation in, and not any closer .

with a genjutsu like that, there is nothing you can do... Danzo was tricked with a reality simulation genjutsu, infact , he didn't realize it until it was the end of the fight... Bee was tricked untill itachi in the genjutsu used his signature crow dispersion.. it's extremely easy to die when you cannot tell you're in a genjutsuu...

and THAT'S the reason why kishi doesn't use it often, because the very premise of it is broken


Bee? bee would have never broke it if it wasn't for his bijju... his bijuu broke it for him.. bee didn't even realize ...... which is exactly what would happen to Minato..
 

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Kabuto said that Nagato's crippled legs were his downfall.

Pretty much implies he could dodge Totsuka.
This combined with the fact that nobody ever said or implied that Totsuka was super fast.

Now, we've seen bijuu sealed a total of four times in the Naruto series

First was when 3rd Raikage used the sealing pot on rhe Eight Tails from a good distance away, no contact was required.

The Second was when Akatsuki extracted Shukaku from Gaara. No contact between Pain and any Akatsuki was required.

Third was when Minato used Shiki Fuujin to seal Yin half of Kyubi from a long distance away. No contact was required between Minato and the bijuu.

Fourth was when Minato used Eight Trigrams Seal to seal Yang half of Kyubi. We never saw anything implying that contact would be required. Canon bijuu sealing techniques have never required contact. Why should the advanced combination of Two Four Symbol Seals, a sealing formula which has its roots in Uzumaki arts, somehow require contact?

Also, Danzo's Reverse Four Symbol Seal a large scale sealing tech which, going by the name, is related to the Four Symbols Seal, didn't require contact between Danzo's dead body and his targets.

Also, the databook didn't mention any requirement of contact. You're the one inventing things out of thing air. You are posing a theory that goes against everything we have seen on sealing. No sealing technique on screen has required contact between the sealer and his target.

With the sealing tag, you can place the tag on your traget and, from a distance, activate it. This was shown when the Second Mizukage was sealed.

Jiraiya didn't have to touch Amaterasu to seal it.

Sai didn't have to touch any Edo to seal it with his ink sealing tech.

Nagato doesn't have to touch a jutsu to absorb it with his Blocking Technique Absorption Seal.

Chiyo doesn't have to touch you to use her Three Jewel Suction technique(the sealing technique will suck you in with a vortex and crush you to pieces, check the databook)


And so on and so forth....
 

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I fail to see how a toad is going to crush Itachi's Final Susanoo equipped with Yata Mirror, when a lower version of Susanoo blocked most of Kirin's blast.
Yata mirror only protect from one side. It's not as if it would protect Itachi from an attack coming from above especially if it's unexpected. Gamabunta used by Minato was even able for a while, and like i've said, has a fire power capable (he says it himself):
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Itachi's Susanoo is much more smaller than 100% Kyubi who is roughly the same size as Madara's Perfect Susanoo. Itachi's final Susanoo is not handling the shit load Gamabunta could throw at him. Even if it doesn't crush it, at the very least, Itachi's Susanoo would be immobilised just like the Kyubi was

How can he make a S/T Barrier to teleport Itachi outside of his Susanoo? How can he even spawn an S/T Barrier inside Susanoo?
Exactly like he did with the Kyubi:
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He teleported it without touching it, just by staying on top of Gamabunta. He can teleport something that is in contact with another one that he is in contact with, and he can even decide what to teleport since the Gamabunta he was in contact with wasn't even teleported. So by the time Gamabunta immobilises Susanoo while being above it, he can teleport Itachi outside his Susanoo at will since he has shown the capacity to do so
 

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If A (and fodder Kumo) knew what Minato was doing when he was spreading kunai-tags around...

without ever having actually met Minato...

then I find it unlikely that Itachi, an ANBU captain, wouldn't have that intell.

Why ANBU? Because ANBU are personal soldiers of the Hokage.

And the Hokage has body guards that use Hiraishin seals (albeit not nearly as skillfully as Minato.)
The so called Minato guards didn't use seals. They had to hold each other' hand as a circle to apparently tele!
 

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Oh please, Amaterasu is listed as short range for crying out loud, yet Sasuke used it on Killer Bee from very far away. It was never specified that contact was a requirement. In the manga, he stood VERY FaR from Kurama and used Shiki Fuujin. Then, still standing VERY FAR from Kurama, he summoned the throne and said 'Now for the Eight Trigrams Seal'

The Databook says the Four Symbols Seal seals giant objects or spirits into humans or objects It didn't say no rocks allowed. A rock is an object right? I believe they teach that in kindergarten.
The databook specifically states that the range listed is what is most effective and may vary
Yata mirror only protect from one side.

Still arguing that? refuted the moment yata mirror grew in every angle to defend from an attack, and the moment the databook stated it changes all its ATTRIBUTES, in response to the attack
 
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I fail to see how a toad is going to crush Itachi's Final Susanoo equipped with Yata Mirror, when a lower version of Susanoo blocked most of Kirin's blast.

How can he make a S/T Barrier to teleport Itachi outside of his Susanoo? How can he even spawn an S/T Barrier inside Susanoo?





He only needs Full Susanoo active for like what? Less than a minute to seal Bunta and then he can revert to V2.





I hope you two aren't serious (Not Bogard)

Orochimaru couldn't even finish his sentence before Totsuka hit him and he was staring right at Itachi.


@bold: Let it hit him? He didn't even see the sword coming, he couldn't have let it hit him.
Well, the fact that he laughed it off(before he got totally owned) implies that, as usual, he didn't give a flying f*ck about his enemy's attack.

Lol he finished the sentence, Itachi just stabbed him then. Again, as you can see from the scan, Orochimaru didn't have legs and couldn't have dodged it if it was a kunai. There wasn't even the exclamation point that usually shows shock when one is blitzed Lol

Kabuto however, said that the reason for Nagato's loss was his lack of mobility, meaning a mobile shinobi wouldn't have gotten sealed by the Totsuka.

Also, in describing the Totsuka, it was said to be a Kusanagi variant. Basically, a Kusanagi with a sealing technique. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Tsunade catch a point blank Kusanagi with her feet when she fought Oro? O_O Sounds rather unimpressive.

I can't believe you made me look at a half naked Orochimaru. I think I'm gonna be sick -____-
 

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Still arguing that? refuted the moment yata mirror grew in every angle to defend from an attack, and the moment the databook stated it changes all its ATTRIBUTES, in response to the attack
Which moment? Yata mirror does protect from only one angle. Reason why Itachi needed to move it in these snake direction in order to protect himself:
 

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Well, the fact that he laughed it off(before he got totally owned) implies that, as usual, he didn't give a flying f*ck about his enemy's attack.

He didn't see the attack coming, if he did, kishi would have noted it somehow, whether it be a question mark over his head .. he simply continued talking and got caught of mid sentence, then completely changed what he was saying in response to the stab..


Which moment? Yata mirror does protect from only one angle. Reason why Itachi needed to move it in these snake direction in order to protect himself:

He didn't need to activate the shield's capabilities in that scan

Would love to see you refute
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when this is how yata normally looks
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Well, the fact that he laughed it off(before he got totally owned) implies that, as usual, he didn't give a flying f*ck about his enemy's attack.

Lol he finished the sentence, Itachi just stabbed him then. Again, as you can see from the scan, Orochimaru didn't have legs and couldn't have dodged it if it was a kunai. There wasn't even the exclamation point that usually shows shock when one is blitzed Lol

Kabuto however, said that the reason for Nagato's loss was his lack of mobility, meaning a mobile shinobi wouldn't have gotten sealed by the Totsuka.

Also, in describing the Totsuka, it was said to be a Kusanagi variant. Basically, a Kusanagi with a sealing technique. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Tsunade catch a point blank Kusanagi with her feet when she fought Oro? O_O Sounds rather unimpressive.

I can't believe you made me look at a half naked Orochimaru. I think I'm gonna be sick -____-
He laughed it off because he didn't think it could hurt him.

What? Pay attention to the stuff you read.


He starts on the top middle panel, it goes on until you see the dash in his sentence which means the stab interrupted him. He only stabbed Orochimaru once. Not twice. There was a question mark there, if he expected the attack there would have been simply a period.

Bold is extremely flawed logic and doesn't even make sense. FRS is a Rasengan variant yet it isn't the same as the normal Rasengan. Same thing with the Totsuka.
 

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He didn't need to activate the shield's capabilities in that scan

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The shield has no extension capacity to begin with. What you see in that scan is the
 
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this is a cool fanmade manga where itachi fights with minato. here itachi wins because he avoids dead demon seal with izanagi but the part with izanagi is also fanmade, so if we exclude izanagi it would be a draw.
 
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