Minato Vs Itachi

[KidGamer65]

You are still talking like Oro had options. He didn't have options, He had no legs, he couldn't move at the time. So now you're saying that Itachi's Susanoo is faster than all other Susanoo?

Did you not see that Bunta blitzed a target that could have moved out of the way, but yet the target was utterly shocked(going by a giant exclamation mark! Not some measly question mark which has never been seen in a blitz before) Aad despite seeing Bunta coming, still got hit?

You ignore that and only consider what Totsuka did a feat of speed. I've heard enough. I can't stand such bias. This is why I don't argue Minato Vs Itachi without a lot of people. Goodbye.

That isn't the damn point. The point is he couldn't MENTALLY REGISTER THE ATTACK UNTIL IT HIT HIM. If you can't get this concept then you're hopeless.

Susanoo is only fast due to its strength. Its pretty sad that I have to explain this to you but Susanoo get stronger as they evolve. The one Itachi sealed Oro with is a V4. The ones you keep on bringing up are V2 (Sasuke vs Danzo) and V3 (Madara) V4 is obviously stronger than V3, again pretty sad that I had to explain this. Thus Itachi's V4 will obviously be faster.

Wow, Gamabunta blitzed a giant Bijuu which are clearly not speedsters in this manga. Nowhere did I say this wasn't a feat of speed, it simply doesn't prove that he can dodge Totsuka. Still rambling on about that question mark? Go learn some basic grammar before debating this topic again.

 

[Lilt]

Well, I will have to say yes.

IRL frogs have better reflexes than humans.

I'm interested in the academic study behind this claim.

 

[Bogard]

Wow, Gamabunta blitzed a giant Bijuu which are clearly not speedsters in this manga. Nowhere did I say this wasn't a feat of speed, it simply doesn't prove that he can dodge Totsuka. Still rambling on about that question mark? Go learn some basic grammar before debating this topic again.

Oh really? It's the contrary. Bijuus have been portrayed to be particularly fast. Kyubi:

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And we talk about things even bigger than the tanuki inside Gaara

 

[shelke]

@Lilt I believe it would have been correct on his part, had he only kept the 'jump' factor in the debate due to the stronger back legs and spring like qualities. Reflex speed? I am not sure about this. Perhaps he can clear this out.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

That isn't the damn point. The point is he couldn't MENTALLY REGISTER THE ATTACK UNTIL IT HIT HIM. If you can't get this concept then you're hopeless.

Susanoo is only fast due to its strength. Its pretty sad that I have to explain this to you but Susanoo get stronger as they evolve. The one Itachi sealed Oro with is a V4. The ones you keep on bringing up are V2 (Sasuke vs Danzo) and V3 (Madara) V4 is obviously stronger than V3, again pretty sad that I had to explain this. Thus Itachi's V4 will obviously be faster.

Wow, Gamabunta blitzed a giant Bijuu which are clearly not speedsters in this manga. Nowhere did I say this wasn't a feat of speed, it simply doesn't prove that he can dodge Totsuka. Still rambling on about that question mark? Go learn some basic grammar before debating this topic again.

Let me glean what I can from this post.

You made up the rule that Susanoos get faster as they progress.

You made up the rule that Bijuu are slow(despite Naruto saying the Nine Tails was fast and the Ten Tails being fast)

You said Totsuka usage by Itachi's Susanoo is so fast that one won't be able to register when they get hit. (Oro is pretty fast in his own right with a 4.5 so you're saying people within this range of speed level can't mentally register a Totsuka strike)

From basic grammar, a question mark means confusion. So Totsuka is so fast that you'll be too confused to be shocked(as is usually shown by an exclamation (!) in Naruto manga)...wow.

Hmmm....one would think Kishi would mention something this important in the databook....well...I guess it's unnecessary according to what I call Kidgamer Logic


I just had an epiphany-----

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You're an utter waste of time *facepalm*

 

[KidGamer65]

Let me glean what I can from this post.

You made up the rule that Susanoos get faster as they progress.

You made up the rule that Bijuu are slow(despite Naruto saying the Nine Tails was fast and the Ten Tails being fast)

You said Totsuka usage by Itachi's Susanoo is so fast that one won't be able to register when they get hit. (Oro is pretty fast in his own right with a 4.5 so you're saying people within this range of speed level can't mentally register a Totsuka strike)

This 'super Totsuka blitz' is the only one of its kind in the whole manga to ellicit only a question mark.

From basic grammar, a question mark means confusion. So Totsuka is so fast that you'll be too confused to be shocked(as is usually shown by an exclamation (!) in Naruto manga)...wow.

I just had an epiphany-----

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You're an utter waste of time *facepalm*

I'm not gonna bother wasting my time with a fan who can't back up his claims, challenges manga facts, and can't even understand basic grammar and punctuation. Also the bold makes no damn sense at all, predictable coming from you though, as half the things you've posted this debate have made no sense at all.

Waste of time is a waste of time. Don't bother replying cause I'm done with this thread.

 

[Whalelord]

Killer B was even able to best Minato in battle was quick enough to save A and counter minato right on the spot minato didn't even notice that killer blade was to his stomach until it was to late you can see he lowered his head then noticed the blade to his gut . Killer b battle with itachi he even had help from naruto in a hand to hand combat and wasn't able to land a hit on him.

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A sick itachi was able to use a large scale of black flames and change the enivorment minato kunai would be made useless imagine healthy

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Minato didn't even know about tobi until it was to late , Itachi was able to notice his presence how do you notice the presence of someone who uses space time even tobi admitted he was the only one to.

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Minato 3 giant summonings were having problems with nagato dog summoning were itachi solo no effort.

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This here is the worst of the worst for minato Itachi had info ,intel , the 411 on him and his circle lol

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Minato has sealing techniques but so does Itachi the sword of totuska has sealing powers not just one sealing techniques

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Kabuto who has 30 plus edo kg, sage mode, white snake power, healing abilties, medical ninja etc praised itachi

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Kabuto stated itachi was elite even amongst the elite uchiha clan

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Killer b meeting itachi for the 1st time praised him as a wise & strong shinobi

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I'm giving this to Itachi

 

[Varrah]

Itachi.

Summons are subjugated by Sharingan, and Itachi as of current has more highlights that weigh in validity, not arbitration.

Obviously, it is liable to change due to the fourth being resurrected, but his prowess may be attributed to having an interior or body analogous to Hashirama Senju [Zetsu Clone]. [

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[Zebstrika]

Funny how you seperate Yasaka with Susanoo when we know that Yasaka is a Susanoo technique, you even seperate different type of genjutsu as if it wasn't the same general thing only applied differently. But you do all that, obviously looking the way around. You even forgot the Shishou fuuin, Hakke fuin he used against Kyubi as well as the 5element seal

Going by your logic, this is Minato's arsenal that you're failing to see. Minato can summon every toad he desires, which already guarantees him a well-versed ninjutsu asset contrary to what people think

Gamabunta can use water(water > Katon, and he can even use larger scale of water than Itachi's katon scale) or oil release. Gamakichi can use fire release. Ma or Pa could use fuuton, fire, suiton, oil release. They even have Sage Mode increasing their nin-tai-gen. Talking about genjutsu, they give him the possibility to use the most powerful genjutsu in the manga as described in the databook, something that canonically worked on Itachi, despite being even a weaker one. They also possess a sound jutsu able to paralyse every parcel of bone in the body, and again canonically it has been proven that in this condition, Susanoo couldn't be used

His toads are also much more bigger than Itachi's Susanoo, have more destructive capacities since they can even destroy forests, eventhough they lack one shot techniques like totsuka.

And that is only from what we know from him, since it's said Minato had much more jutsus than that. Kushina for example taught him a whole bunch of sealing techniques that we don't even know, or his affinity that Kakashi said he possessed, and possibly even more

But it's no surprising coming from a hater who really believes Sage Mode Naruto was stronger than Minato when it's clearly portrayed as to be greatly wrong

Firstly, I didn't separate those techs I just copied the list from Wikia. But it's alright. You're clearly nitpicking at the expense of having no good argument. You even choose to focus on a segment of my earlier post instead of all of it. If you wanna be picky, it's not enough just to write Susanoo. It makes more sense to replace Yasaka Magatama with Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade.

Secondly, those seals you mentioned were edited out because they have absolutely no applications against Itachi. 1) Itachi is not a giant enemy or evil spirit. 2) There is nothing to seal Itachi inside.
It's also a short range tech, which means Minato is just begging to get caught in genjutsu or waste his time on a clone feint.
Do your research.

@ your next point: Summoning is one of the worst strategies Minato can use. People have repeatedly debunked this argument and yet you keep using it. Do you want Minato to lose?

You also shot yourself in the foot with the Ma and Pa strategy. They take a long amount of time to summon (even for the Toad sage) and your movements are restricted while you trying to summon them. I actually lol'd when you said Ma and Pa would trap Itachi in that genjutsu (which takes a lot of prep time). The likelihood of pulling all that off is too small, but even so I guess you just ignored the fact that Itachi has

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Your point about Kushina and seals is moot. Do you go into Kakashi debate threads and say "Kakashi has 1000 jutsu that we don't even know"? I could easily say the same about Itachi -- he also has many secrets and abilities. So what?


Great conclusion though. You choose not to acknowledge manga facts and call me a hater.

 

[Omega]

someone used the edo tensei on this thread. Lol. No for real its a subject ppl just can't seem to agree on i guess that makes this a great thread. lol