Minato Vs Itachi

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Itachi, Minato's summonings can be controlled continually by sharingan and put into situations in which he can kill them easily. Itach is already most likely aware of his ability maybe not version two, but Minato has 0 knowledge whatso ever about Itachi. Itachi, who is also versed in the art of fuinjutsu knows that you can place a seal on someone via touch, meaning he'll stay clear from any taijutsu battles with Minato, who he would know is an expert at fuinjutsu.... The deciding factor of this match without a doubt would be genjutsu, Not even going to argue whether Minato would make eye contact.. that will just turn into a never ending debate..... I will argue that Itachi doesn't need Tsukyomi to end this fight, and he can finish it off with his dusk crow ability.. which doesn't require handseals or eyecontact.. something like that will easily put Minato into a comatose state leaving his body susceptible for attack even if for a few seconds... it's an op and broken ability that people fail to take note of, and Minato has literally no counters to it considering he doesn't know of its existence.


As for the brawl between the characters.. once again Itachi would definitely have a general idea of the workings of FTG, as he had known intricate details of the hokages personal life, and has shown that he was quite the studious young lad.. Keeping a safe distance from the ground Kunai and utilizing his skill in shruikenjutsu to keep any ftg 2 kunai away from him as per norm would be the obvious method of defence .... With minato's speed and ability, it's obvious that the majority of itachi's seen ninjutsu and taijutsu would be the totally wrong approach.. He would just be wasting chakra shooting katons and water jutus, something Minato can easily dodge... and we all know Itachi isn't that stupid... The only option he has then on would be genjutsu, an attack you can't dodge...

Summonings on a whole are a bad idea, they are big and or slow and are all definitely incapable dodging an ability like amaterasu.. something which once again, Minato has no knowledge of, nor knows Itachi holds such a technique...
Key point being only for a few seconds. You don't know the intricacies of Dusk Crow. We've argued whether its obvious from the start or not. According to what we saw in the manga, it is. Minato would break it and teleport away from whatever Itachi brings. Itachi can't do much in that time.

Heck even with a Sharingan genjutsu on A, Onoki had the time to make a golem and save the Raikage before any Susanoo could touch him.

The small window of opportunity is usually too small as shown in many instances in the manga. Example-when Shee genjutsu'd Sasuke. Suigetsu and Juugo could protect him before even V1 armor Raikage could touch him.

We also see when Itachi tried to attack Kurenai whilst she was under her own genjutsu. She broke free and dodged.

Even Itachi and Sasuke could break Kabuto's sound genjutsu in the manga before Kabuto could attack.

Shikamaru immediately broke Tayuya's genjutsu

When the genjutsu is breakable and obvious, it has never been effective In the manga so far.

Bee could break Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu in time.
Itachi's only option is trying to blitz Minato immediately. Probably not happening since all Minato has to do is form a hand seal to break the gen(it'll take Itachi longer to run at Minato than for Minato to form a single hand seal)

Itachi himself said it. A genjutsu which yyour opponent can escape is dangerous. Itachi might just get close to Minato only for Minato to break it and kill him due to close proximity. He can't prep Amaterasu in the time so that's no worry and as shown by Madara against A, Susanoo is slow as well. His best option would be to throw weapons or blitz Minato.

Weapons....Minato can break genj and disappear, heck Bee could break, bring out swords and counter!

Blitz....too dangerous, Minato could do what he did to Raikage; telepoert away leaving a kunai behind, teleport behind Itachi and kill 'em. Considering he'll be in the same situation as Obito and Raikage it would be impossible for him to activate Susanoo or dodge.
 

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He can't seal him into himself. The object that is going to be holding the sealed one needs to be placed on the ceremonial alter in order for the jutsu to work.
-Minato can't use the jutsu and be on the alter at the same time.
-Itachi can simply destroy the alter rendering the jutsu useless.

What scroll does Minato carry on himself? What scrolls are even capable of holding a human in them? Scrolls are only used for summoning people, sealing jutsu in them or for literary purposes. None.

What object? What object could Minato be holding on him that could contain a human?
Even assuming a seal won't work, if Itachi is tagged, Minato can keep Rasenganing. Itachi will be forced to use Susanoo and will die.
 

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One eye contact and it's over. If Minato is going to avoid eye contact for whatever reason, the chance to land a hit with Amaterasu increases to 100% even if one has the speed to avoid it, as the usage becomes unpredictable.
 

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Himself, a scroll, an object.





Yata Mirror doesn't make ninjutsu ineffective, Yata Mirror makes nature transformations ineffective since it can change its properties to counter them. Fuinjutsu is not a nature transformation.

Anyhow, Itachi can't keep up Susanoo up all day, hoping that he can use it at the right time. He cannot keep up with Minato' speed.
I like the way you think dude.*****
 

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Key point being only for a few seconds. You don't know the intricacies of Dusk Crow. We've argued whether its obvious from the start or not. According to what we saw in the manga, it is. Minato would break it and teleport away from whatever Itachi brings. Itachi can't do much in that time.

Heck even with a Sharingan genjutsu on A, Onoki had the time to make a golem and save the Raikage before any Susanoo could touch him.

The small window of opportunity is usually too small as shown in many instances in the manga. Example-when Shee genjutsu'd Sasuke. Suigetsu and Juugo could protect him before even V1 armor Raikage could touch him.

We also see when Itachi tried to attack Kurenai whilst she was under her own genjutsu. She broke free and dodged.

Even Itachi and Sasuke could break Kabuto's sound genjutsu in the manga before Kabuto could attack.

Shikamaru immediately broke Tayuya's genjutsu

When the genjutsu is breakable and obvious, it has never been effective In the manga so far.

Bee could break Itachi's Sharingan genjutsu in time.
Itachi's only option is trying to blitz Minato immediately. Probably not happening since all Minato has to do is form a hand seal to break the gen(it'll take Itachi longer to run at Minato than for Minato to form a single hand seal)

Itachi himself said it. A genjutsu which yyour opponent can escape is dangerous. Itachi might just get close to Minato only for Minato to break it and kill him due to close proximity. He can't prep Amaterasu in the time so that's no worry and as shown by Madara against A, Susanoo is slow as well. His best option would be to throw weapons or blitz Minato.

Weapons....Minato can break genj and disappear, heck Bee could break, bring out swords and counter!

Blitz....too dangerous, Minato could do what he did to Raikage; telepoert away leaving a kunai behind, teleport behind Itachi and kill 'em. Considering he'll be in the same situation as Obito and Raikage it would be impossible for him to activate Susanoo or dodge.

Atm i'm writing up a case study, will reply to you in a little while
 

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He can't seal him into himself. The object that is going to be holding the sealed one needs to be placed on the ceremonial alter in order for the jutsu to work.
-Minato can't use the jutsu and be on the alter at the same time.
-Itachi can simply destroy the alter rendering the jutsu useless.

What scroll does Minato carry on himself? What scrolls are even capable of holding a human in them? Scrolls are only used for summoning people, sealing jutsu in them or for literary purposes. None.

What object? What object could Minato be holding on him that could contain a human?
Can't he just stand on the throne? He could use the seal while bending over it and bleeding from his mouth and with a huge hole in his guy, not to mention his soul was partially disocnnected from his body and his chakra tank was on empty....but you say he can't use to seal something in himself? o_O


Can he not just summon a small toad and place it here or put a rock? Heck Shukaku was sealed in a frikin teapot!
 

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Even assuming a seal won't work, if Itachi is tagged, Minato can keep Rasenganing. Itachi will be forced to use Susanoo and will die.
A Ribcage Susanoo is more than enough to tank Rasengan. Why would it be a good idea to keep on coming into his range when Tsukuyomi will one shot him if they ever make eye contact?

And again, that's assuming Itachi ever gets tagged, which he obviously won't as he knows about Minato's tech and his nickname. Why would he go into CQC with him w/o Susanoo up? Minato isn't blitzing him with his Base Speed either due to Sharingan so he isn't getting tagged that way.
 

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when Tsukuyomi will one shot him if they ever make eye contact?
Minato can simply appear behind him.

A Ribcage Susanoo is more than enough to tank Rasengan.
A tore through Ribcage and a fist of his isn't stronger than Minato's Rasengan.

Why would he go into CQC with him w/o Susanoo up?
Because without it he would die.
 

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Can't he just stand on the throne? He could use the seal while bending over it and bleeding from his mouth and with a huge hole in his guy, not to mention his soul was partially disocnnected from his body and his chakra tank was on empty....but you say he can't use to seal something in himself? o_O


Can he not just summon a small toad and place it here or put a rock? Heck Shukaku was sealed in a frikin teapot!
Nothing in the bold has to do with why he can't seal Itachi into himself. He needs contact with the thing being sealed just like he had contact with Kurama. It was listed as Short Range in the DB for a reason. How is he going to be on the altar but making contact with Itachi at the same time? He can't.

Tea Kettle=/=Rock. Shukaku being sealed in a kettle by an unknown method doesn't mean Hakke Fuin and seal Itachi in a rock. Toads won't work as the target needs to be in a human body not a toad body.
 

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Minato can simply appear behind him.



A tore through Ribcage and a fist of his isn't stronger than Minato's Rasengan.



Because without it he would die.
@bold: A broke through to hit Sasuke after weakening it with Liger Bomb. If that's not enough a V2 will tank it no problem so it really doesn't matter.

@bold2: Ok? This reply only strengthens my point. He isn't engaging Minato in CQC w/o Susanoo on just to end up getting marked.
 

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Minato summon Gamabunta and stays on top of it to attack. Using genjutsu to control Gamabunta in this case would be meaningless in this case and only a waste of chakra since Minato could free him anytime. Also during the fight, it's already proven that canonically it's not easy for a Sharingan user to take control of a summon. Gamabunta has more fire power than Itachi's Susanoo capable to destroy even a forest or even maintaining Kyubi for a while. His only way would be Amaterasu to deal with it. But for it, he would need to deactivate his Susanoo and concentrate, which would give a great opportunity for anyone to attack him meanwhile. The prep time for Amaterasu has been portrayed to be particularly slow especially in Itachi's case. Bee having time to launch a sword at him, almost killing him at that time if not Nagato's intervention. Replace Bee's sword with Minato's kunai, and we have FTG lv2 with a rasengan point blank. Match is over. Itachi would have difficulties just to handle his summons, let alone taking care of the amount of shit load kunais Minato could throw at him, especially when we know that launching kunai is one of the fastest thing in this manga
 

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Nothing in the bold has to do with why he can't seal Itachi into himself. He needs contact with the thing being sealed just like he had contact with Kurama. It was listed as Short Range in the DB for a reason. How is he going to be on the altar but making contact with Itachi at the same time? He can't.

Tea Kettle=/=Rock. Shukaku being sealed in a kettle by an unknown method doesn't mean Hakke Fuin and seal Itachi in a rock. Toads won't work as the target needs to be in a human body not a toad body.
Oh please, Amaterasu is listed as short range for crying out loud, yet Sasuke used it on Killer Bee from very far away. It was never specified that contact was a requirement. In the manga, he stood VERY FaR from Kurama and used Shiki Fuujin. Then, still standing VERY FAR from Kurama, he summoned the throne and said 'Now for the Eight Trigrams Seal'

The Databook says the Four Symbols Seal seals giant objects or spirits into humans or objects It didn't say no rocks allowed. A rock is an object right? I believe they teach that in kindergarten.
 

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Minato summon Gamabunta and stays on top of it to attack. Using genjutsu to control Gamabunta in this case would be meaningless in this case and only a waste of chakra since Minato could free him anytime. Also during the fight, it's already proven that canonically it's not easy for a Sharingan user to take control of a summon. Gamabunta has more fire power than Itachi's Susanoo capable to destroy even a forest or even maintaining Kyubi for a while. His only way would be Amaterasu to deal with it. But for it, he would need to deactivate his Susanoo and concentrate, which would give a great opportunity for anyone to attack him meanwhile. The prep time for Amaterasu has been portrayed to be particularly slow especially in Itachi's case. Bee having time to launch a sword at him, almost killing him at that time if not Nagato's intervention. Replace Bee's sword with Minato's kunai, and we have FTG lv2 with a rasengan point blank. Match is over. Itachi would have difficulties just to handle his summons, let alone taking care of the amount of shit load kunais Minato could throw at him, especially when we know that launching kunai is one of the fastest thing in this manga
@bold: Totsuka can seal Gamabunta with one pierce. Why would he need to deactivate Susanoo to use Amaterasu anyway?
 

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@bold: Totsuka can seal Gamabunta with one pierce. Why would he need to deactivate Susanoo to use Amaterasu anyway?
Cuz Bunta can dodge Totsuka. It was never said that he couldn't be avoided. Just cuz he stabbed an immobile Nagato and a legless Orochimaru who let it hit him doesn't mean Totsuka is light speed or anything Lol
 

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@bold: Totsuka can seal Gamabunta with one pierce. Why would he need to deactivate Susanoo to use Amaterasu anyway?
Forgotten about totsuka lol. But even then, using totsuka to seal would be a great error in this case. The totsuka sealing is not that fast(as demonstrated against Orochimaru or Nagato). The time it takes to seal Gamabunta, Minato can take opportunity to summon another Toad above his Susanoo and thus crushing it, or at least creating an oppening to finish him with a FTG-Rasengan combo, or even a space-time barrier teleporting Itachi out of his Susanoo and ending with a rasengan. He would need to deactivate Susanoo before using Amaterasu simply because he has never shown the capacity to use both at the same time canonically. It's not as if MS techniques are things that Itachi can spam anyway especially with his stamina problem
 
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