Minato vs Ay

[KidGamer65]

@ bold If he already knew that he'd teleport to those markings INSTANTLY. Why would he be surprised that his full speed was countered? That should have been his initial strategy.

Afterwards he states the obvious of something he already knew. That's illogical. While I see what you mean, it doesn't make sense as to how things transpired.

Like I said. Minato being able to teleport instantaneously doesn't mean that he can activate the jutsu instantaneously. Ay was surprised that Minato was fast enough to react, which let him use Hiraishin, which let him evade Ay's attack. Minato vs Juubito is a perfect example. He engaged Juubito and his Kunai got broken. Juubito

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and Minato teleported away,

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Stating something you already know isn't illogical. He was just assessing the situation.

 

[blazekev90]

Like I said. Minato being able to teleport instantaneously doesn't mean that he can activate the jutsu instantaneously. Ay was surprised that Minato was fast enough to react, which let him use Hiraishin, which let him evade Ay's attack. Minato vs Juubito is a perfect example. He engaged Juubito and his Kunai got broken. Juubito

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and Minato teleported away,

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Stating something you already know isn't illogical. He was just assessing the situation.

I don't see the correlation, mostly because I don't recall that altercation (Minato/Obito).

So, it's a matter of Ay not having knowledge that Minato could perform/activate the jutsu instantly. Something he reiterates on that scan, "instantly transports him".

Therefore, we can conclude Ay went into the situation unaware of something in fact. I say it's the mechanics of ftg, you say it's the fact Minato utilized it faster than his strike, which IMO is still the mechanics if the jutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't see the correlation, mostly because I don't recall that altercation (Minato/Obito).

That's why I posted scans. The correlation is, Ay didn't know Minato was fast enough to react to his Shunshin. The scans I posted show that even though Hiraishin is instant, Minato still needs to be fast enough to activate the jutsu, and if he isn't, he'll get hit.

So, it's a matter of Ay not having knowledge that Minato could perform/activate the jutsu instantly. Something he reiterates on that scan, "instantly transports him".

No, Minato can't perform the jutsu instantly. If he could then Obito never would have hit him. Ay simply didn't know that Minato was fast enough to activate the jutsu before he got hit by him.

Therefore, we can conclude Ay went into the situation unaware of something in fact. I say it's the mechanics of ftg, you say it's the fact Minato utilized it faster than his strike, which IMO is still the mechanics if the jutsu.

The only thing he was unaware of is that Minato was fast enough to evade it. He knew of the mechanics of the jutsu, and no, that isn't the mechanics of the jutsu, that's Minato's speed he's referring to (Reactions).

 

[blazekev90]

That's why I posted scans. The correlation is, Ay didn't know Minato was fast enough to react to his Shunshin. The scans I posted show that even though Hiraishin is instant, Minato still needs to be fast enough to activate the jutsu, and if he isn't, he'll get hit.



No, Minato can't perform the jutsu instantly. If he could then Obito never would have hit him. Ay simply didn't know that Minato was fast enough to activate the jutsu before he got hit by him.



The only thing he was unaware of is that Minato was fast enough to evade it. He knew of the mechanics of the jutsu, and no, that isn't the mechanics of the jutsu, that's Minato's speed he's referring to (Reactions).

I'll look at the scans in a few.

Technically he can. That's the reason he was able to avoid Ay's strike. If the marking is already placed, there is no time lapse for ftg to initiate. The only downfall is the users hand speed, but that wasn't the case here, as the kunia was. already spread on the battle field

Therefore, the it's the fact the Ay didn't know that the technique didn't require anything; hand seals, etc, that would've allowed a lapse for him to strike. that became his downfall in that altercation.

Edit: after looking at the scans you provided with Obito and Minato, as I assumed there isn't a correlation and it's misleading.

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At the bottom left corner we clearly see that Obito already cut Minato's arm before he used ftg, as we see the ash from his Edo body airborne. Further evidence is the fact that Naruto shouts "dad" before Minato appears before them. Once he does "!" Appear in the image below. Minato used ftg after the strike and knowing he's an Edo, he thought nothing of it.

The was an irrelevant example

 

[A v i]

Manga clearly puts Minato above Ay. It's been 17 years after Minato's death yet this guy admits that he's still inferior to Minato.

 

[Haizaki]

Manga confirmed this. Even if you want to debate by feats, Minato takes it.