Minato vs Ay

[blazekev90]

One man in the squad knowing it means they all received info on it. Period. Ay even responds to the fodder who said that with "Ah, so its him", yet Ay had no idea about the Yellow Flash or his jutsu amirite? If you are going to argue that one man in Ay's own squad knew of Hiraishin but Ay didn't, then you shouldn't even be taken seriously at this point.

Ay analyzing the situation=/=Ay not knowing about Hiraishin. Ay went for a straightforward attack and failed because Minato was fast enough to teleport before Ay hit him. So he switched his plan. He'd attack Minato and only use Shunshin when he teleported to another marker.

Minato already evaded Ay's top speed. Knowledge isn't going to change that.

Knowing of Hiraishin=/= one knowing the mechanics of the jutsu itself.

The fodder was making a statement out loud, while was focused on the opponent acknowledging that it was indeed "The Yellow Flash". You trying defend your argument when I provided a scan proving otherwise is laughable.

Lol switched his plan?!? He didn't have a plan in the first place!!! Ay clearly didn't think anything of the kunia until after he become aware of exactly ftg worked.

 

[Gold Lightning]

True. The issue emerged here

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They seemed to have no memory of Minato before. So, it made me question whether he actually could summon them. Minato stated he never really practiced Sage Art, so it's questionable IMO

Minato never ever said that

 

[Sovereignty]

Rasengan to the face, gg.

Yea sure. He has to throw his kunai first to even reach E.

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[KidGamer65]

Knowing of Hiraishin=/= one knowing the mechanics of the jutsu itself.

They referred to it as the "Shunshin no Jutsu" Which means Teleportation Jutsu. They also recognized the formula for the jutsu, so saying they didn't know the basics doesn't make any sense.

The fodder was making a statement out loud, while was focused on the opponent acknowledging that it was indeed "The Yellow Flash". You trying defend your argument when I provided a scan proving otherwise is laughable.

And how does that change anything I said?

You didn't post a scan that proved otherwise. You posted a scan that you thought, proved otherwise, but it didn't.

Lol switched his plan?!? He didn't have a plan in the first place!!! Ay clearly didn't think anything of the kunia until after he become aware of exactly ftg worked.

Irrelevant as that's not the point. The point is, he attempted that because what he did at first didn't work. "No knowledge" wasn't a factor there and it's not one here. Minato beats this guy with little difficulty.

 

[LuckyMan]

Lol Ma+Pa taught Minato Sage Mode and I read here someone posted he can't summon them. A contract with toads is with all toads not just Gamabunta.

Anyway, Jounin Minato could have solo Bee and Ay comfortably so I think its clear he wins.

 

[blazekev90]

They referred to it as the "Shunshin no Jutsu" Which means Teleportation Jutsu. They also recognized the formula for the jutsu, so saying they didn't know the basics doesn't make any sense.


And how does that change anything I said?

You didn't post a scan that proved otherwise. You posted a scan that you thought, proved otherwise, but it didn't.



Irrelevant as that's not the point. The point is, he attempted that because what he did at first didn't work. "No knowledge" wasn't a factor there and it's not one here. Minato beats this guy with little difficulty.

I posted the scan that matters, which should've ended this argument before it even started. You're simply trying to argue against manga facts and use your own analogy.

If Ay made that statement prior to attacking Minato, you'd have a valid point. However, that wasn't the case, so your claims are mute. Accept it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Minato wins mainly because of his summonings.

 

[KidGamer65]

I posted the scan that matters, which should've ended this argument before it even started. You're simply trying to argue against manga facts and use your own analogy.

If Ay made that statement prior to attacking Minato, you'd have a valid point. However, that wasn't the case, so your claims are mute. Accept it.

You repeating the same thing over and over again isn't going to get you anywhere. Nothing Ay did implies that he had a lack of knowledge on Hiraishin when the manga made it clear that his squad knew how it worked. You say that Ay attacking differently the second time means that he had no knowledge the first time, even though that makes no sense given the fact the manga shows they did have knowledge, and the fact that Ay only went for that option of attack because his first option failed. Minato was able to react to his speed and dodge, so he had to switch it up.

 

[blazekev90]

KNOWLEDGE OF A JUTSU =/= FULL INTEL

shinobi had knowledge of Obito's kamui, did they know exactly how it worked? NO
shinobi had knowledge of Edo, did they know the mechanics behind the jutsu? NO

I'm repeating myself because you're too stubborn to understand something as simple as this.

Minato was known for his speed, rumors nicknamed him the "Yellow Flash". Ok

 

[LuckyMan]

I posted the scan that matters, which should've ended this argument before it even started. You're simply trying to argue against manga facts and use your own analogy.

If Ay made that statement prior to attacking Minato, you'd have a valid point. However, that wasn't the case, so your claims are mute. Accept it.

By your logic, the scan when Naruto first met Raikage means Raikage didn't know who Kakashi ever was but Darui did all because he said aloud, "boss that guy is Kakashi hatake" and Ay didn't say anything. It makes no sense.

 

[blazekev90]

By your logic, the scan when Naruto first met Raikage means Raikage didn't know who Kakashi ever was but Darui did all because he said aloud, "boss that guy is Kakashi hatake" and Ay didn't say anything. It makes no sense.

Kakashi was known for having the sharingan and his name was in mentioned in shinobi books. "Copy Ninja"

Sharingan allows you to copy techniques. Simple.

This is mentioned in part 1 w/ Zabuzu.

 

[KidGamer65]

KNOWLEDGE OF A JUTSU =/= FULL INTEL

Already replied to this. Not to mention I only said they knew the basics, not everything about the jutsu.

They referred to it as the "Shunshin no Jutsu" Which means Teleportation Jutsu. They also recognized the formula for the jutsu, so saying they didn't know the basics doesn't make any sense.

They didn't just know of the jutsu, otherwise they wouldn't have known anything about the formula.

shinobi had knowledge of Obito's kamui, did they know exactly how it worked? NO

Irrelevant as its not the same situation.

shinobi had knowledge of Edo, did they know the mechanics behind the jutsu? NO

Same here.

I'm repeating myself because you're too stubborn to understand something as simple as this.

No, you are repeating yourself cause you have no more argument.

Minato was known for his speed, rumors nicknamed him the "Yellow Flash". Ok

Your point? Read above.

 

[blazekev90]

Already replied to this. Not to mention I only said they knew the basics, not everything about the jutsu.



They didn't just know of the jutsu, otherwise they wouldn't have known anything about the formula.


Irrelevant as its not the same situation.


Same here.


No, you are repeating yourself cause you have no more argument.



Your point? Read above.

"They knew the basics" ok!

What's basics did they know exactly

 

[KidGamer65]

"They knew the basics" ok!

What's basics did they know exactly

That he can teleport to markings. Those are the basics.

 

[blazekev90]

That he can teleport to markings. Those are the basics.

That's what the technique entirely based on. -_-

So, you're saying Ay had full knowledge of ftg, etc. yet went for a straightforward attack, knowing kunia were spread.

But wait, not only that! After knowing the obvious, he's shocked by what transpired and had to analyze ftg AFTER NEARLY BEING KILLED LOL.

 

[KidGamer65]

That's what the technique entirely based on. -_-

-Minato can teleport objects touching his chakra.

-He can teleport others to markings.

That's not the entire jutsu, those are the basics.

So, you're saying Ay had full knowledge of ftg, etc. yet went for a straightforward attack, knowing kunia were spread.

Yes. Cause Minato having Hiraishin, doesn't mean he'll be fast enough to react and evade Ay's attack. He was, so Ay switched it up.

But wait, not only that! After knowing the obvious, he's shocked by what transpired and had to analyze ftg AFTER NEARLY BEING KILLED LOL.

If you read the manga, you'd see that Ay was shocked because Minato was able to avoid his full speed, not because he teleported. Why? BECAUSE HE ALREADY KNEW MINATO COULD TELEPORT.

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[Gold Lightning]

That's what the technique entirely based on. -_-

So, you're saying Ay had full knowledge of ftg, etc. yet went for a straightforward attack, knowing kunia were spread.

But wait, not only that! After knowing the obvious, he's shocked by what transpired and had to analyze ftg AFTER NEARLY BEING KILLED LOL.

Actually Ay went with a straightforward attack because despite Minatos FTG, Ay didn't actually think minato could react to his top speed. It had nothing to do with Ay knowing that minato could teleport away.

 

[blazekev90]

-Minato can teleport objects touching his chakra.

-He can teleport others to markings.

That's not the entire jutsu, those are the basics.


Yes. Cause Minato having Hiraishin, doesn't mean he'll be fast enough to react and evade Ay's attack. He was, so Ay switched it up.



If you read the manga, you'd see that Ay was shocked because Minato was able to avoid his full speed, not because he teleported. Why? BECAUSE HE ALREADY KNEW MINATO COULD TELEPORT.

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He teleports to markings, the marking had to have been present. Anything containing his chakra can be teleported to the marking. Still the same general concept of teleporting to markings.

As mentioned, he knew Minato could teleport, this was never the issue. AGAIN it's the manner in which he could teleport.

You don't seem to understand my point. This wasn't Ay having no knowledge of teleportation, which is what you cap locked. Lol

Now, if Ay acknowledged that Minato already countered HIS FULL SPEED. What strategy did he come up with afterwards? I'll answer that, he went for another direct strike, but this time paid attention to the kunia!!!!! It's a matter of having that knowledge that he'd teleport to them instantly.

 

[KidGamer65]

He teleports to markings, the marking had to have been present. Anything containing his chakra can be teleported to the marking. Still the same general concept of teleporting to markings.

No, its not. Having intel on Minato himself being able to teleport to markings doesn't mean that you will know that he can teleport others, that he can teleport things touching his chakra. Unless you are going to argue that being false. Whether its the same general concept means nothing.

As mentioned, he knew Minato could teleport, this was never the issue. AGAIN it's the manner in which he could teleport.

They already knew the manner in which he could teleport, hence them recognizing the marking formula for his jutsu.

You don't seem to understand my point. This wasn't Ay having no knowledge of teleportation, which is what you cap locked. Lol

Now, if Ay acknowledged that Minato already countered HIS FULL SPEED. What strategy did he come up with afterwards? I'll answer that, he went for another direct strike, but this time paid attention to the kunia!!!!! It's a matter of having that knowledge that he'd teleport to them instantly.

He went for a direct strike, purposely not moving at full speed because he'd wait for Minato to teleport to a marking, then he'd use Shunshin and hit him. Even if Minato already evaded his full speed, there would be no time between his arrival to the marking and Ay's arrival to the marking to teleport away. That's what Ay was thinking.

Bold is obviously wrong. Its not a matter of knowing that he'd teleport to them instantly as that is something he already knew. Its a matter of hitting Minato before he can teleport, and since Ay couldn't do that with a straightforward attack, he decided to wait till Minato had already teleported to use Shunshin and hit him.

 

[blazekev90]

No, its not. Having intel on Minato himself being able to teleport to markings doesn't mean that you will know that he can teleport others, that he can teleport things touching his chakra. Unless you are going to argue that being false. Whether its the same general concept means nothing.


They already knew the manner in which he could teleport, hence them recognizing the marking formula for his jutsu.



He went for a direct strike, purposely not moving at full speed because he'd wait for Minato to teleport to a marking, then he'd use Shunshin and hit him. Even if Minato already evaded his full speed, there would be no time between his arrival to the marking and Ay's arrival to the marking to teleport away. That's what Ay was thinking.

Bold is obviously wrong. Its not a matter of knowing that he'd teleport to them instantly as that is something he already knew. Its a matter of hitting Minato before he can teleport, and since Ay couldn't do that with a straightforward attack, he decided to wait till Minato had already teleported to use Shunshin and hit him.

@ bold If he already knew that he'd teleport to those markings INSTANTLY. Why would he be surprised that his full speed was countered? That should have been his initial strategy.

Afterwards he states the obvious of something he already knew. That's illogical. While I see what you mean, it doesn't make sense as to how things transpired.