Minato said it himself Sasuke is just better than Naruto

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[Hori]

1stly Naruto has better traits in a whole compared to Sasuke, people like Sasuke because of appearance and Naruto of his actions... the fact that Naruto asked his father is because he still is a growing shinobi, and Sasuke I dont think he has much more room to grow compared to Sasuke. Also exceptional and better is 2 diff words with different meanings.... thus The fact that naruto asked Minato that question doesn't mean he wasn't apying attention.

Why isn't anyone praising Naruto for being the 1st person in realizing that Obito wasn't performing rinne tensei Jeez you guys you should show some love for Naruto and please don't believe in Suigetsu's words that Sasuke will be the one to bring peace...

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Well maybe he found sasuke to be more determined but its all moot point cuz later he admitted to need kurama to fight sasuke. But it does make sense anyway

Exactly! It has to be related to will. Here's what I think. Naruto knows that they're equal, and if they fought, they'd both die. However, the effects of Sasuke's hatred would produce more hatred and despair in the world, and Naruto wouldn't be able to stop it since he'd be dead. This would be Sasuke's victory. Naruto needs the 9 tails in order to get a clear victory so that he change what Sasuke is and stop the curse of hatred.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Naruto was never a better ninja than Sasuke, and this chapter basically proved that the difference between their analytical prowess is still quite vast. I doubt Minato wanted to create a comparison, BUT, the author (very much) did so by making Minato praise another person and ignoring Naruto's skills or intelligence. This is a simple indirect comparison method used by many writers. Nothing to pitch a fit over @ Narutofans.



Funny, because there is ZERO difference between the meaning of both statements. One is simply put more eloquently and ends with the same dichotomy "Now I Know". If you cannot comprehend this basic analogy method, then too bad. it's clear as day.

Or you're just ignoring context. "You can't beat Sasuke just by being strong." That, with the rest of the dialog, indicates that strength isn't the issue. It's not more "eloquent," it changes the whole meaning! If you let your bias make you not see the difference in context, there's no hope for you.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Exactly! It has to be related to will. Here's what I think. Naruto knows that they're equal, and if they fought, they'd both die. However, the effects of Sasuke's hatred would produce more hatred and despair in the world, and Naruto wouldn't be able to stop it since he'd be dead. This would be Sasuke's victory. Naruto needs the 9 tails in order to get a clear victory so that he change what Sasuke is and stop the curse of hatred.

No. thats fanfiction wishful speculation here. I can explain any sort of crap with speculations.

Naruto said that he needs to kurama to even fight sasuke not win. And being more determined helps to win, dont throw hatred, revenge peace etc crap into it. Naruto admitted to be weaker thats all.

 

[Hori]

Well maybe he found sasuke to be more determined but its all moot point cuz later he admitted to need kurama to fight sasuke. But it does make sense anyway

People who tend to be more analytic and being worried are the ones who fear death or that they might die, worried never meant you cannot analyse and also lets see how they brake free from Obito

 

[Dantee]

Simply put Minato praised Sasuke skills more so than his own son. It's not that anyone is saying Sasuke is better than Naruto. Minato just seems to think so.

 

[shelke]

Or you're just ignoring context. "You can't beat Sasuke just by being strong." That, with the rest of the dialog, indicates that strength isn't the issue. It's not more "eloquent," it changes the whole meaning! If you let your bias make you not see the difference in context, there's no hope for you.

I am not, actually. It's just you and the rest of misguided fans reading one part of the statement and ignoring the last words where it ends. Naruto's awareness comes at the fact that Naruto needs more than strength to beat Sasuke. Which means he needs more dimensions to his power to beat him. Not only that, this is just a part of the entire series of dialogues. So what's the difference?

Right, and if you somehow are under the delusion that Japanese can be translated 100% into English with one-liners then there is no hope for you. In fact, screw codability, Japanese is an infinitely complex Language compared to English. The word Ninja alone, that has a single lined meaning in English has multiple dimensions in Japanese. Nin part alone has - pronounced as Shinobi - several complex layers.

I laughed at your comprehension sermon, by the way. You obviously have no idea about comprehension and language to language transnational complications.

 

[shelke]

Or you're just ignoring context. "You can't beat Sasuke just by being strong." That, with the rest of the dialog, indicates that strength isn't the issue. It's not more "eloquent," it changes the whole meaning! If you let your bias make you not see the difference in context, there's no hope for you.

I am not, actually. It's just you and the rest of misguided fans reading one part of the statement and ignoring the last words where it ends. Naruto's awareness comes at the fact that Naruto needs more than strength to beat Sasuke. Which means he needs more dimensions to his power to beat him. Not only that, this is just a part of the entire series of dialogues. So what's the difference?

Right, and if you somehow are under the delusion that Japanese can be translated 100% into English with one-liners then there is no hope for you. In fact, screw codability, Japanese is an infinitely complex Language compared to English. The word Ninja alone, that has a single lined meaning in English has multiple dimensions in Japanese. Nin part alone has - pronounced as Shinobi - several complex layers.

I laughed at your comprehension sermon, by the way. You obviously have no idea about comprehension and language to language transnational complications.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Itachi's words >>>> Minato's
Naruto >>> sasuke

 

[Sennin of Logic]

No. thats fanfiction wishful speculation here. I can explain any sort of crap with speculations.

Naruto said that he needs to kurama to even fight sasuke not win. And being more determined helps to win, dont throw hatred, revenge peace etc crap into it. Naruto admitted to be weaker thats all.

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Naruto made no mention of Kurama at that time. I can only assume that he stated he needed Kurama later is because he knew Sasuke would get stronger.

 

[saw2097]

You seriously need to take some breath, honestly I don't remember when was the last time I didn't see your butthurt presence in my threads, just move on for once or spread your hate else where, really. Lol
Learn to get the facts straight.

What facts, you haven't presented any.

Besides making a mess of your threads is fun.

And I have seen several Sasuke fans argueing against you.

You mad bro.

 

[AlphaScythian]

People who tend to be more analytic and being worried are the ones who fear death or that they might die, worried never meant you cannot analyse and also lets see how they brake free from Obito

LOL what? As an analytic person i find death inevitable thus its no point in fearing it. Some idiot stated this and i hope its not you.

To brake free from obito sasuke has to pull susanoo full or some bigger form then just rib cage.

Naruto made no mention of Kurama at that time. I can only assume that he stated he needed Kurama later is because he knew Sasuke would get stronger.

Im sorry but this naruto's statement isnt a proof of anything, on the contrary sasuke said he wouldnt die and just kill naruto which naruto later confirmed.

Maybe it was just tnj, a way to show how naruto cares of him even to die for him?

 

[Byron123]

LoL fanboism is indeed one of the worst things. Do you guys don't have any subjectivity at all? It's one thing to support your favourite character and a complete other to nullify the achievements of everyone else. I posted a comment here at the third page by posting some facts which prove thta Naruto is not as stupid as you think, while you compare him to Sasuke's ingeniosity. Yet, no one answered me. Funny, how easily fans loose their words when they can't counter your agruments... at least with information that does make sense.

 

[saw2097]

I don't think he's buthurt. I think he's frustrated that such an strech and illogical conclusion could be made with little and indirect evidence.

Nah I am not frustrated or butthurt, its actually these threads that help deal with my boredom, I enjoy wrecking Uchiha fanboy threads.

And then watching the fireworks, these threads are always fun.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I am not, actually. It's just you and the rest of misguided fans reading one part of the statement and ignoring the last words where it ends. Naruto's awareness comes at the fact that Naruto needs more than strength to beat Sasuke. Which means he needs more dimensions to his power to beat him. Not only that, this is just a part of the entire series of dialogues. So what's the difference?

Right, and if you somehow are under the delusion that Japanese can be translated 100% into English with one-liners then there is no hope for you. In fact, screw codability, Japanese is an infinitely complex Language compared to English. The word Ninja alone, that has a single lined meaning in English has multiple dimensions in Japanese. Nin part alone has - pronounced as Shinobi - several complex layers.

I laughed at your comprehension sermon, by the way. You obviously have no idea about comprehension and language to language transnational complications.

I am not, actually. It's just you and the rest of misguided fans reading one part of the statement and ignoring the last words where it ends.

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How pitiful. You're accusing me of the one thing that I couldn't have possible done.XD If you actually look at my post for what it says and not something to contradict, you'll find that I quoted Naruto's entire speech and theorized about it as a whole!


Let me clear this up for you. He says "You can't beat Sasuke by being strong. Now I know.....What's inside of him is...." He says this, but makes no mention of a need to increase strength on the next page.

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"I'm the only one who can fight him. I will.... when the time is right" No mention of strength, and I'm pretty sure if the issue was that he's not strong enough, he could tell them right away. There'd be no need for secrecy. These 2 pages make no big deal about strength.


The only big deal is "what's inside of him." Would you mind theorizing what's inside of Sasuke. It's my turn to criticize.


If anyone's guilty of only reading the first part, you are. You only use the mention of the strength part to come to your conclusion that Naruto's weaker. You ignore the part where he talks about what's inside of Sasuke, denying the idea that your fave has a match and what Naruto was talking about wasn't physical, despite the fact that Naruto stated that they'd both die if they fought. You're twisting manga because you want to believe that Sasuke>Naruto, while in reality Sasuke=Naruto.

 

[shelke]

How pitiful. You're accusing me of the one thing that I couldn't have possible done. If you actually look at my post for what it says and not something to contradict, you'll find that I quoted Naruto's entire speech and theorized about it as a whole!

Let me clear this up for you. He says "You can't beat Sasuke by being strong. Now I know.....What's inside of him is...." He says this, but makes no mention of a need to increase strength on the next page.

Why stop there? Fill the whole page up with your simile abuse. They sure back you up a LOT man. First you pass it off as an utmost, holey fact but now you are simply theorizing it? I am the pitiful one, indeed. "I know when the time is right" is another factor that can be aligned with "Now I know". On one hand he talks about strength that is more than just the 'term' itself, and then he presents a contradiction on the next panel with the statement 'when the time is right'. Clearly indicating that he isn't ready.

This is a very very basic figure of speech called Paradox. Even a jackass knows this. The second statement is clearly contradictory and states the obvious need for Strength. The first one on the other hand talks about inner strength with the obvious link to Sasuke's inner-demons. Otherwise, what is stopping him from declaring that he can and the time is not right? This makes the first dialogue create an intentional antithetical statement of some kind of inner strength BS that Naruto is known for, considering his bleeding Will of Fire lectures.

Sorry, but unlike you, I even mentioned the whole thing and the importance of including the later dialogues in case you didn't bother to read. Another funny thing; the whole idea of the manga up till now was to catch up to Sasuke. He was never at Sasuke's level, in fact, purely as a ninja, the guy is STILL legions behind. Doesn't matter how many times you benight it, the statement won't change in the long run. No use warping it. Perhaps, you should have picked up a character with better IQ. It isn't my fault the guy has raisins for brains still.

P.s: Don't bother clearing up anything for me. You have no clue about any writing devices and are just posting self-made justifications.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Why stop there? Fill the whole page up with your simile abuse. They sure back you up a LOT man. First you pass it off as an utmost, holey fact but now you are simply theorizing it? I am the pitiful one, indeed. "I know when the time is right" is another factor that can be aligned with "Now I know". On one hand he talks about strength that is more than just the 'term' itself, and then he presents a contradiction on the next panel with the statement 'when the time is right'. Clearly indicating that he isn't ready.

This is a very very basic figure of speech called Paradox. Even a jackass knows this. The second statement is clearly contradictory and states the obvious need for Strength. The first one on the other hand talks about inner strength with the obvious link to Sasuke's inner-demons. Otherwise, what is stopping him from declaring that he can and the time is not right? This makes the first dialogue create an intentional antithetical statement of some kind of inner strength BS that Naruto is known for, considering his bleeding Will of Fire lectures.

Sorry, but unlike you, I even mentioned the whole thing and the importance of including the later dialogues in case you didn't bother to read. Another funny thing; the whole idea of the manga up till now was to catch up to Sasuke. He was never at Sasuke's level, in fact, purely as a ninja, the guy is STILL legions behind. Doesn't matter how many times you benight it, the statement won't change in the long run. No use warping it. Perhaps, you should have picked up a character with better IQ. It isn't my fault the guy has raisins for brains still.

P.s: Don't bother clearing up anything for me. You have no clue about any writing devices and are just posting self-made justifications.

STILL behind! Are you crazy?! A single biju dama would destroy Sasuke's final susanoo! Your counter is not based in logic whatsoever. Excuse me, but how is a response on telling saying "When the time is right" in as responce to a person's question "What happened back there?" do with strength???? "Even a jackass understands the concept of a paradox"

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Even a jackass can understand the nature of a conversation! "What in the world happened? You have to tell us." "When the time is right" This is clearly a response to Neji's demand to know what happened. He means he'll tell them what happened when the time is right. Even an idiot can know this! It has nothing to do with strength period. The only thing that happened in his encounter with Sasuke is a chidori/ransengan clash, and that reading minds session. It was clearly a reference to something mental, not physical. Naruto did not contradict himself.



Also, the only thing you possibly have to go on is the statement that Sasuke can't simply be beat by being strong. Immediately after he said that, he said Now I know.... (this means the next phrase is a continuation of this one) Inside him is...." Tell me something, right before this, when he fought him, the big moment was seeing what's inside of him, namely, his heart. What do you think he's referring to if not that?!


Simply put, Naruto never contradicted himself. He said both would die if they fought. He said that you can't beat him by being strong. He never stated Sasuke was stronger. He said that he'd tell them the reason when the time's right. The whole point of the kage summit arc was 1. to start the 4th great shinobi war. 2.Focus on what's inside of Sasuke, namely, his hatred and the curse of hatred, and how Naruto will confront it.

Any moron can piece these events together to mean that Naruto was talking about Sasuke's heart. Yet, Sasuke fanboys will selectively take a single panel, isolate it from the other events, and claim that that it means that Sasuke>Naruto.

 

[shelke]

@Naruto X man I am not talking about power.You can't read? I am talking about being a Shinobi. Two very different things. Maybe you need to go all the way back to let it sink in your thick head that what it means to be a ninja. Naruto being a boisterous moron has unchanged since he was first introduced. He was, is, and always will be a poor excuse of a Shinobi.

Not based in Logic? It's basics of the basics when it comes to writing. I couldn't care less about your pointlessly contrived retorts. All of them are weak as you cling on desperately to avoid facts that surround any writing piece to deliver varied messages. In fact, no one should care what YOU happen to believe or not. That statement is a paradox. Go hit Google and educate yourself.

I don't need a reading lecture as to what Neji is saying, thank you very much. I think I am much better at it than you could ever be, considering how you don't seem to understand certain writing rules. Conversation my ass. Naruto is like a Play or a drama, only that it's subject to visual grammar as well. There is no third person narration but the dialogues or monologues are ample and are subject to the same rules like any piece of writing is.

The first statement is mental but the second isn't which is creating a simple paradox. Believe whatever you want but you still don't have a clue. Naruto's so-called death statement is not omniscient at this point in time but is a reference to future encounter: "If we fight again...". This alone makes it a statement about a future encounter, not a current state. It's funny how you somehow missed the future tense implication with 'If' and 'fight again'. Hilarious.

Most morons are fully aware of figures of speech tools as well. Too bad you fell several places short of them and that probably doesn't have anything to do with you being a Naruto fan. Alas.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Hes exceptional, the whole better than Naruto thing you just pulled out of your ass

This exactly