Minato Namikaze vs Itachi Uchiha (Logical Debates Only)

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A Healthy Itachi would Take this High Diff.

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What is a Healthy Itachi? (to me)
A Healthy Itachi to me would mean that Itachi is no longer hindered by the sickness that plagued him during his fight with Sasuke (obviously) He would also have a fresh eyes (i wont go crazy with this). His Stamina would also be much Higher, In databook rankings around a 3 or a 3.5. Chakra control essentially evens out any stamina arguments.


*this argument originally had manga pages, but due to the internet going crazy on me i had to omit them due to me not being able to search them.


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I will break this down into scenario's of combat.

Disclaimer: I've omited Izanami since it will not affect Minato


CQC:
First of all, Itachi and Minato have about the same Shunshin and Base speed levels, In a battle of speed (body movement) however, Itachi would have the advantage due to Sharingan and what we can assume are superior Taijutsu skills.

Both combatants have deadly jutsu that can essentially assure victory.
- Minato's Being "Tagging", Making it impossible for Itachi to Defend against the ensuing assault.
- Itachi's Being Mind Raping Genjutsu like Tsukiyomi or his other plethora of Genjutsu that could end Minato.

Itachi has some other notable advantages over Minato other than the Sharingan if they went hand to hand

- Far superior hand seal speed (Two Sharigan user's couldn't follow his hand speed)
- Karasu Bunshin
- Superior Mid Range Jutsu arsenal
- Supeior use of Kunai and Shruiken
- Superior Kawarimi (even fooled a Sharingan user)

With all of these Advantages Itachi has many ways of besting Minato. He would have the option of overcoming Minato in hand to hand with his Sharingan and superior Taijutsu and land a mind Rapeing Genjutsu in the same fashion he did to Kakashi. If this can't be accomplished, Itachi can call on a Karasu Bunshin by working in his near instant Hand seal spead in a opening of Minato's Offensive and overcome Minato in tandum with his Bunshin. If they break apart by some chance Itachi's use of Kunai and Shruiken will overcome any attempt at Minato mounting his own offense with Ninja Tools. Itachi also has the option of using a point blank Amaterasu that in turn would be to fast for Minato to teleport away due to Amaterasu being at its fastest (even faster than when Sasuke used it on the Raikage). If Itachi becomes spooked and needs to catch a break, he simple need activate a low level of Susanoo and he will be completely shielded from any of Minato's own Jutsu, He also has a Karasu Kawarimi that could get the job done just as nicely. Exploding Mizubunshin Shenanigans would also knock Minato down a notch. Finger Genjutsu has a low probability of working, but its another option.

The beauty of Itachi's Arsenal is that its Anti-FTG.


Cat and Mouse:

This is what would ensue after Minato relizes CQC is a hopeless battle. Minato would essentially try to scatter FTG tags and get distance to allow him to rely on his reactions to escape Itachi's Jutsu (Mainly Amaterasu) with FTG

*Quick note: Minato can Dodge Itachi's Ama with just Shunshin given to proper distance, but there is a hot-zone that would require FTG to escape.

Itachi's Awnser to this is using a smaller Amaterasu (the one he used on the crow that contained shisui's eye) that would be less chakra taxing, on reaction to Minato teleporting. Itachi can reduce the number of Tagged Kunai by using Katon: Gōkakyū no Jutsu or again, the small less chakra taxing Amaterasu. Karasu Bunshin can also help harrass Minato into a mistake.


Other Bits:

-Using Complete Susano'O to battle Minato would be largely useless and ineffective as an offensive measure. Since Itachi has all the bases covered when it comes to battling Minato himself, The only use for Complete Susano'O would be to combat multiple Giant toads with Totsuka so Itachi doesn't have to waste chakra on multiple Amaterasu.

-The Location also give's Itachi another option in dealing with Giant toads. He can use Amaterasu on the forest and move the battle into the forrest. Amaterasu would spread and barr entrance to any toad.

-Using Genjutsu or Kunai shenanigans are also some possible option to dealing with Giant toads, but these are highly unlikely to be effective.

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All in all, Healthy Itachi has this Securely Locked down. Sick Itachi would make for a much more interesting Debate (and honestly be alot easier to debate.)

Jesus Christ. This. /Thread

a couple points i want to add. The barrier that Minato uses would be largely ineffective. Its not fast enough to deter Amaterasu, and any jutsu he could possible catch with that would end up destroying the tag he sends it to.

Shiki Fuin is auto countered by Amaterasu, Minato has to stand still to activate it.
 

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So you're argument is he's watching Itachi's eyes? two close range fighters, that just spells out instant tsukyomi death

Hmmmm....this wasn't my position or argument so I have no business with it.

I don't believe every genjutsu is able to simulate reality, I believe Itachi is capable of pulling off the feat which he has on numerous occasions..

Yeah....cuz he's special and has displayed it with his Sharingan. Wait, Sasuke has too, hasn't he? Didn't Madara mention that you can make anything you want with Sharingan genjutsu when he was explaining things to Obito? Isn't my position on this that Minato will not be looking into his eyes? So it all doesn't matter. What about his non eye contact genjutsu? Well, one started with everyone present floating and turning to crows and the other started with birds flying out of his cloak then the sky turning to a different color and Naruto floating in mid air. Not very realistic is it.

Yes, he has. With Sharingan and so has Sasuke(he did so against Itachi when he made Itachi see snakes instead of him and against Deidara to fool him into thinking C4 worked)

Because Itachi is different.. We've seen him cast genjutsu on deidara and faking an entire fight..from the beginning Deidara was in the genjutsu.. Reality was simulated so perfectly he didn't realize..

He did that to Deidara with Sharingan and only actually faked the last part xd and Sasuke did the same thing. C'mon dude.

We've seen him do it in finger genjutsu for a little while, naruto didn't realize what was going on

Yeah....people floating in mid air and turning to crows....so real xd

We've seen him do it with epheramal, untill he decided to show naruto he was already in it..

Again you have to see the link when they first met(large distance) and when it ended(smaller distance) meaning Naruto approached. Can't somebody on this thread post
these pages!!!!! Please.


We've seen him do it on BEE, bee was fighting for a while and he didn't realize at all..

With Sharingan dude. -_____-

Itachi, pretty much as far as I can recall is the only ninja in that manga that has done this..

Did you forget Sasuke(genjutsu'd Deidara with Sharingan) and Madara(genjutsu'd Obito)


As I said , Naruto was put into the genjutsu when he landed.. sometime after itachi killed those clones.. look at the tree naruto is at before charging..note where he stops when itachi opens his cloak and says "you're already in my genjutsu"
Now note where he is when it's ended.. SAME tree he started at... If it started with the crows, he would have been a bit closer to Itachi, mid way or so between tree 1 and tree 2

Could be another tree(its a forest no?). What is obvious is there was a smaller distance between them meaning Naruto approached after the clones were killed meaning he had his complete freedom until the middle of his approach when he was genjutsu'd.

You have to remember that it was also night time...late at night.. with kakashi it was day time.. there are times when deidara and tobi were close together and he NEVER saw his sharigan..

Sharingan glows in the dark. Kisame observed that much when he first met Obito and why would Minato not see the only part of Obito that is literally glowing/shining/giving off light?



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lmao oh how I love arguing against you uzumaki16

In every itachi debate we have, we end up to this argument, whether itach;s non eye contact genjutsu can simulate reality like his eye ones can.. because we both know if it can, it's a complete game changer as to who wins
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Two trees in the field right there.. Naruto is standing by tree one , Itachi is standing by tree two

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Naruto charges up to Itachi's tree two
itachi opens cloak and crows fly out, he said "You're all ready in my genjutsu"
they have their little talk


Genjutsu ends
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Naruto is back at tree one, aka the one he was standing at at the beginning of the encounter


No feathers on the ground, no signs of movement, meaning everything was in a genjutsu.. meaning itachi's non eye contact genjutsu can simulate reality just like his sharingan ones can...

Think of all the hints that suggest it so far...

Lack of feathers on the ground
The words " You are already in my illusion" , not you're now in my illusion... he was showing naruto that resisting is futile as he was already in it and he didn't know. that's what he changed the environment for to tell him he needed to talk
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itachi wins this why minato only got thru obito's genjutsu because its not his fighting style its kamui

sasuke is susanoo or amaterasu

itachi is genjutsu so this is where he loses genjutsu makes ftg uselss basically cancleing everything about speed itachi takes this comfortably
 

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Minato destroys Itachi, he is just too damn fast for Itachi to do anything.
 

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minato would have his hands full with the susano or the gens or even AMATERASU !! Lord Itachi wins rasengan wont work lmao :hypertobi:
 

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To start things off, If you're going to come in the thread, post Minato/ Itachi wins, then this thread isn't for you.

I'm looking for something different, A debate where people post logical arguments and not just two word comments on the subject..

Bogard, Uzumaki16 , Blaze Release, Logic etc, You all better have a input

Cba to go grave dig a thread on this topic, Keep your responses professional and on topic so it doesn't get locked.. No flaming


Manga knowledge
Minato is healthy
Itachi is healthy

Area- Sasuke vs Deidara,
Same distance Sasuke and Deidara started their fight , - AKA this
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i honestly think itachi won this why? because first minato is going to use speed to his advantage but how can he if itachi is fast his self and we havent seen itachi at full power no one has pushed him to his limits including sasuke itachi has tosuka blade all he has to do is tap minato with it and he is absorbed itachi could beat him without MS he coukd just use 3rd sharigan to keep up with minato minato has no chance against a sharigan user as u can see whle he was fighting masked man minato is very fast but lacks strenght as itachi is eveything fast strong in physical strenght justu genjustu taijustu name it he owns it
plus itachi became a chunin at the age of eight and was a anbu black ops leader at 13 and he was the first at tht even madara didnt become a chunin till 12 itachi owns
 
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