Minato may be the weakest ninja

[salamander uchiha]

i disagree but w.e

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Sorry geezer this in no way implies he's intelligent genious at learning jutsu. Minato is pathetic he just has a unique skill set that is all. Anybody with the same skillet would be able to do the same. In fact some may even do better. Minatos level is well shown when he has to use FTG against kakash,i obito and rin during their training. Then kid obito comes and pretty much offs him after only a years training with Madara.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Sorry geezer this in no way implies he's intelligent genious at learning jutsu. Minato is pathetic he just has a unique skill set that is all. Anybody with the same skillet would be able to do the same. In fact some may even do better. Minatos level is well shown when he has to use FTG against kakash,i obito and rin during their training. Then kid obito comes and pretty much offs him after only a years training with Madara.

Obito offed him? Really? Obito never even laid a hand on him.... what fight did you people watch/read?

Edit: oh yea obito touches his shoulder.. is that what counts as winning and offing someone around here lol

 

[salamander uchiha]

Obito offed him? Really? Obito never even laid a hand on him.... what fight did you people watch/read?

Edit: oh yea obito touches his shoulder.. is that what counts as winning and offing someone around here lol

Who died and who survived? Fodderato was terrified of little Obito? If I'm the reason some fodder decides to kill himself because he's too much of a ***** to live. I can say I offer him. Kapish. It's called a rhetorical device.

 

[To Whatever]

Who died and who survived? Fodderato was terrified of little Obito? If I'm the reason some fodder decides to kill himself because he's too much of a ***** to live. I can say I offer him. Kapish. It's called a rhetorical device.

Do you really expect people to take you seriously when you use fodder like that?

It literally makes you look like an ass whether you're right or wrong.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Who died and who survived? Fodderato was terrified of little Obito? If I'm the reason some fodder decides to kill himself because he's too much of a ***** to live. I can say I offer him. Kapish. It's called a rhetorical device.

Kurama did more than obito, minato had obito running away obito got out sped and out classed in his own dominant category(s/t) not only that, he get spanked and his pet taken away... so what where you saying? Show me a single scan of obito landing a hit... go ahead

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Rasengan
Toad summons
Shadow clones
Sealing jutsus
Faster shunshin than Tobirama

He beats a lot of jonin level ninja. I don't know where exactly I would rank him though.

Sounds like part 1 naruto with only less shadow clone count. I think jounin is being generous

 

[salamander uchiha]

Kurama did more than obito, minato had obito running away obito got out sped and out classed in his own dominant category(s/t) not only that, he get spanked and his pet taken away... so what where you saying? Show me a single scan of obito landing a hit... go ahead

Who was controlling Kurama? and why would Obito need to land a hit when he won without it? Did Minato off himself he cause he was pathetic yes he did. Would he have done it if Obito didn't attack and forced his hand ? No he wouldn't have? I suggest you read Sun Tsu maybe you'll gain a few brain cells.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Obito San didn't engage in direct combat. He had no need all he wanted to was remove Minato and he succeeded in his goal.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Who was controlling Kurama? and why would Obito need to land a hit when he won without it? Did Minato off himself he cause he was pathetic yes he did. Would he have done it if Obito didn't attack and forced his hand ? No he wouldn't have? I suggest you read Sun Tsu maybe you'll gain a few brain cells.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Obito San didn't engage in direct combat. He had no need all he wanted to was remove Minato and he succeeded in his goal.

No scans of landing a hit? Ok, obito was controlling kurama when kurama killed minato? Cool the manga and anime state diff but ok. Everything else you said is irrelevant as the points your making aren't even what actually happened and you keep back peddling and coming with new half baked sh t. That fool went in there with a bijuu as a weapon and left without it and missing an arm. And this is with full intel on the hokages abilities, how weak must obito have been to get beat in a straight up fight with weak ass minato lol Let's not even bring up the fact that half of obitos body was fake and has senju DNA... raikage must be weak af too....

 

[SamAdams]

He's strong enough to get the job done. Thats all that matters.

 

[The Messiah]

Sounds like part 1 naruto with only less shadow clone count. I think jounin is being generous

Wtf no it doesn't. Part one Naruto can't summon fukasaku and shima to use frog call, frog confrontation chant, and give him sage mode, he doesn't have any sealing jutsu, faster shunshin than Tobirama, and he's nowhere near Minato's level of skill.

 

[kiiro]

He's some level above jonin but definitely below kage.

You're forgetting he still has Rasengan of which proportion he can enhance to be more deleterious + shadow clone technique (which comes in pretty handy especially when used in the manner in which Itachi utilized it) + Gamabunta + hax sealing techniques.

I'd say he's below sannin but at a level he could threaten a base Jiraiya.

Way beyond Base Jiraiya and beyond Sage Jiraiya. Bad.

 

[kiiro]

Lol, he's far from weak.

Way to far.

But you can't deny he has the the coolest fighting style among all the Hokages. So simple yet so broken

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Wht do you say that for? By raw power you are right, but if we talk about who will win a Fight then he is the best.

He's weak very weak. He's more hype than Hiruzen.

He is more hype. Hype from Kishimoto. He made the story so it is real. By feats he very great to.

as far as chakra reserves, and power levels, attack arsenal goes..
i would say on paper you could argue that there is no way he'd be fit to be a kage.
but the mf is just so damn savage at what he does

What are his chakra levels? Power levels? Arsenal? He is beyond Kage level.

Minato is not weak he's just not a god tier kage like most of the hokage were

God tier? No one is god tier besides Naruto and Sasuke. Not Hashirama, Tobirama or anyone else. Madara and Obito also were god level. Look at your God who can die with a mere kunai:

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Your God who said Kyubi was troublesome:

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Ninjas are peak human defense. Naruto isn't about about power but for cheat like tecnics.

You think you can master ftg, sealing jutsu from the uzumaki and create the rasengan nd master it from scratch and be weak? FOH Even the raikage said he believed there wasn't anyone that could beat Minato.

Not only that. Master FTG, master forbidden Uzumaki Tecnics maybe even better than most, created Rasengan, Mastered Sage Mode, was a Summon Master as well and maybe even as Jiraiya, fastest ninja, top 3 sensors, talented ninja, smartest, top 3 greatest chakra control users, one handed tecnics and also had other tecnics we didnt see.

Not only Raikage said, a lot more. It is not about power. It is about cheat like tecnics, they are ninjas not dbz characters. They have peak human defense. They can die with a kunai.

Like the first Hokage was and he wasn't even God tier then. Until Minato, the hokage were mediocre

You are saying Hashirama is god tier?

Exactly, his power level is almost non-existent compare to the other Hokages but his skill with S/t makes it near impossible to defeat him.

So you are saying he is weak if we talk about destruction power? Then by feats you are right and wrong at the same time. Minato is very intelligent. We saw what did to the floor when he cutted Hachibi's tail or when he attacked Obito's back. Minato knows that there is no reason to put more power to its attacks. He can make a rasengan bigger but he doesn't. So we didn't see that from him but by feats then you are right.

Without FTG he's Jounin level at best.

Nope. Far stronger. Defeats Hashirama still.

So ? He's still the weakest Hokage, without those kunai what can he do ? Because all the others don't rely on one ability to be godly OP

Minato is the smartest Hokage but that doesn't translate into having the highest power level

Who doesn't rely on one set of tecnics? Hashirama is only wood style. Minato is even more versatile.

He invented Rasengan, mastered Uzuamki sealing techs and perfected FTG, he's the smartest of all of them. And again being the smartest does not mean having the most power, there's a difference between the two.

Agreed but still wins them.

Shutup lmfao. The dude can literally touch you and kill you ( leaving the mark on you forever unless he removes it) Tsunade is easily the weakest Hokage. Tsunade relies on SINGULAR BRUTE strength, Tobirama used only water style, Hashi used only woodstyle, the raikage used only lightning style inhanced strength and speed, the list goes on.... Not that minato didn't nhave it, but lacking a diverse moveset dosnt make you weak. Hell Naruto uses only shadow clones and rasengans and bro eat on anyone!

Agreed.

 

[salamander uchiha]

We judge by what we see not by the hype and we see nothing but hot air and hype. Or as my brother calls it all fart and no poo.

 

[Styles]

Who was controlling Kurama? and why would Obito need to land a hit when he won without it? Did Minato off himself he cause he was pathetic yes he did. Would he have done it if Obito didn't attack and forced his hand ? No he wouldn't have? I suggest you read Sun Tsu maybe you'll gain a few brain cells.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Obito San didn't engage in direct combat. He had no need all he wanted to was remove Minato and he succeeded in his goal.

No one. Minato took Kurama from his control before he even got hurt by Kurama.

 

[SenseiSama]

I thought he was talking FTG? Either way, interesting..


Are you serious bro


Hiruzen can't even touch Minato



She can't run for shit tho



Tsunade can't even fight Obito

If Hiruzen couldn't touch Minato he wouldn't be considered the strongest after Hashirama, I rest my case.

 

[Amenotejikara]

He's some level above jonin but definitely below kage.

You're forgetting he still has Rasengan of which proportion he can enhance to be more deleterious + shadow clone technique (which comes in pretty handy especially when used in the manner in which Itachi utilized it) + Gamabunta + hax sealing techniques.

I'd say he's below sannin but at a level he could threaten a base Jiraiya.

Dies to amaterasu.

 

[kiiro]

I like to debate only when I know I have the truth.

His Shunshin is slower than Tobirama's I think, but otherwise Minato would be stronger than the average Jonin without FTG.

I mean he would top sharingan-less Kakashi, and I would rank him as a clear cut Jonin ninja.

People always trying to downplay Minato. "Let's take away his main jutsu, and see how weak he is"

That's like taking away Wood release from Hashirama and saying "omg look how weak he is". Well, no shit.

Minato without FTG is not that weak. He is still the fastest ninja. He might not just win Obito and his Kamui with ease or not lose with ease. He is more than FTG. His teleport is his second main tactic tecnic, not the only one. His main tactic tecnic is his intelligence.

Fanfic af

Hiruzen at 70 years old showed more OP feats than prime Minato foh

And at least Tsunade can tank a stab

And Obito's ghost gg

What feats? Minato didn't even reach prime, he was still growing. Tsunade cant resist the stab without healing. Bad to compare them.

What's your criteria for stronger here dude? Who'd win an arm wrestling match? Number of jutsus known doesn't equal strongest, and no matter how you look at it, hokage minato is stronger than hokage kakashi

Way stronger. Base stats are superior. Even stronger than Hashirama or Tobirama.

I agree, Minato may be the weakest ninja

Tsunade is the weakest, or why do you think she relys on MEDICAL NINJUTSU? She was made for defeat.

I thought he was talking FTG? Either way, interesting..

Well it is very hard to know what Tobirama was referring to. Because he says shunshin to teleport and to flicker jutsu. Minato's feat at that time wasn't only he arrive first but he teleported the Juubi Dama. Maybe Tobirama was referring to his versatility with FTG because Tobirama in further chapters also said he could not teleport some things like Minato.

The Hokage (including Minato) arraived with Shunshin, as the Kunai won't get itself there for him to use FTG. Lol
Minato's Shunshin outclase Tobirama's by a big margin. His FTG is also superior to Tobirama's tho...

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OT: Even without FTG, he will be still strong with his sealing jutsu and other things. He also has Sage Mode, so he could use the method Jiraiya was relying on (Having Fukasaku and Shima on his shoulders) to make his SM unlimited if needed. Which is still a huge power-up.

Read the comment above, it could also be because FTG. And I agreed with you that he is still OP.

Minato is the coolest character in the show tbh
And he strong ah, he beats all fodder ninja
only god teir can beat him,
and the way his death was set up, Tobirama would've died, the 3rd would've died, tsunade would've died, without Minato there wouldn't be no show bruh no show

Agreed. Also Hashirama would have died. When Obito used kamui on Minato the first time would have been K.O for everyone except for Minato.

Imagine the training he's had to accumulate his chakra reserves. He is a great sensor and possesses unique combat style. He is versatile to say the least.

He has large amount of chakra by feats, even superior to Tobirama. By feats he is top 3 I will say. And his style is the more dangerous with Itachi.

Right.

Sasuke without Hagoromo's PU is Jonnin Level.

Tobirama is the smartest, Minato is nothing more than a knock off king. Learning sealing jutsu isn't a difficult feat who said it was.

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Orochimaru was surprised that a genius like Kakashi knew fuinjutsu at his age. This means that is hard to learn it, you need to be very smart to do it, it needs chakra control and like programming knowledge or something like that. It is not that easy. If it was so easy then every one could have fuinjutsu of the level to be feared like the uzumakis.

You need to smart for, smarter to do harder ones and more smarter do it from zero.

He is the weakest because he lacks raw power

He doesn't need more power since Ninjas are peak defense.

Whats that have to do with FTG? User's learn technique's to fit their fighting style - only 3 users could fight with FTG, Tobidara!Minato,Shisui

Shisui doesnt have FTG or teleport tecnics.

i disagree but w.e

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Minato is most talented.

But!

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Obito talks like he was unbeatable, in fact he was. Only Minato could do that.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Nice fanfic kiiro.

 

[kiiro]

Sorry geezer this in no way implies he's intelligent genious at learning jutsu. Minato is pathetic he just has a unique skill set that is all. Anybody with the same skillet would be able to do the same. In fact some may even do better. Minatos level is well shown when he has to use FTG against kakash,i obito and rin during their training. Then kid obito comes and pretty much offs him after only a years training with Madara.

Nope. So what does it mean? Talent is talent and the most talented is above everyone. In jutsus and skills. Hype? There is plenty, Raikage says he learned Uzumakis Special Seals, Databook says he invented tons of jutsus in his own ways, Databook again stats that Minato from all teachers could show you awesome jutsus and it also says he has uncommon talent.

He has a lot of jutsus, and learning it, he is very good since he at first sight can see weakness of jutsus.

Who died and who survived? Fodderato was terrified of little Obito? If I'm the reason some fodder decides to kill himself because he's too much of a ***** to live. I can say I offer him. Kapish. It's called a rhetorical device.

Minato sacrificed himself and Obito lost. No matter what you say Minato beated Obito and his kamui and is the only one that did.

Sounds like part 1 naruto with only less shadow clone count. I think jounin is being generous

Nope. Minato was already a pro in summons, Naruto wasn't, Minato was the fastest, Naruto wasn't, Minato had sagemode, Naruto didn't, Minato had fuinjutsus, Naruto never had it, Minato had shadow clones and Rasengan, Naruto didnt have his skill, Minato had FTG, Naruto didn't, Minato was a sensor, Naruto wasnt. Minato is not like part 1 Naruto.

Who was controlling Kurama? and why would Obito need to land a hit when he won without it? Did Minato off himself he cause he was pathetic yes he did. Would he have done it if Obito didn't attack and forced his hand ? No he wouldn't have? I suggest you read Sun Tsu maybe you'll gain a few brain cells.
The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Obito San didn't engage in direct combat. He had no need all he wanted to was remove Minato and he succeeded in his goal.

But lost. Obito got controlled of Kurama, Minato took it way from him. Obito wanted to absorb Minato, Minato got away. Obito wanted to defeat Minato, got stabbed and lost an arm.

Obito plans didnt work. Minato dying was due plot, he had to die. And it wasnt beacuse Kyubi, it was because the shiki fujin.

 

[kiiro]

Nice fanfic kiiro.

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