Minato isn't stronger than EMS Madara

[Amantius]

Because it was battle to the death regardless if it was flashback. If minato had anything else than a rasengan and ftg he would have used it. Why hold back in a life death situation? We saw him against high level shinobi like maadra, bee, forth raikage. I think its easy say we have seen what minato can do.

Minato will always have this hype until guys adimit we have fully seen a full picture of minato' skills.

The other guys we know for certain we havwnt seen all their skills. For example, Like the 2nd/1st/3rd hokages, madara have big questions marks. We know for a fact theres more to come from those shinobi, eg 2nd hokage has good in time-space jutsu. 1st hokage took on madara(ems) + fox. 3rd hokage is said to be lot better in his prime by his summon,,etc etc...

Theres nothing to suggest there's anything else to expect from minato. But more importantly minato wont make anymore appearences in the manga anymore. I hightly doubt we will see him again. There's one chance we could see him and thats a rematch between A and minato as kages as this was hinted at the end of the most recent minato flashback.

Regarding the weaknesses I mentioned.

The key weaknesses of minato is his phyicsal strength which is an intresting condriction because taijutsu is key part of how fights. If the rasengan doesnt work he has limited options. Which isnt the case with the other kages we have seen.

Not willing to say hes weak to genjutsu because one key way to break genjutsu is noticing fine flaws in illusions(Note: reason why the sharingan helps the user in canceling genjutsu), something intellegenice plays a big role in and minato certainly has that.

Also minato relys alot on his time-space jutsu, doesnt have any strong elemental jutsu to speak of. And like I said before if does he would have used it in his death match with madara.

The way I see it minato doesnt have many options to attack. IF the rasengan fails then his most powerful attack cant help him. WHich is a big blow to his rasengan and ftg fighting style, dont get me wrong its is a great combo. But its based purely on the rasengan. And its not a massive rasengan or anything.

The reason why minato's arenal is quite small is because he died young. The sooner guys realise, the sooner guys wont hype him to point of saying things like hes the second strongest shinobi under the so6p.Which is total crap. There are kages ahead of minato as they have lived longer and have more nasty techs at there disposal as a result.

Rasengan and ftg arent the best techs in the ninja world. I Would have thought after all the kages we have seen revived shows that clearly. Minato regared has genius that dosent come around often in a generation. But people need to accept that his development was cut short tragegicly. So u can expect him to be the strongest out there.

The thing with death god and the third, I was just making a hypotheical example. I was just saying no one says for no reason maybe the third hokage didnt have dgt untill in his older days. But for some reason people think madara all of the sudden got time-space jutsu latt]er in his life, where we know nothing about madara to begin with. Its quite puzzling to me thats all.

Its actually far easier to speculate when the 3rd hokage learned the dgt than it is of saying when madara learned/obtained time-space jutsu. Speaking of madara there is one jutsu madara has I think he got after he stole hasihrama powers and thats his phase shift technique. But this something I have thoerised a while, not based on anything concrete.

These are just my opinions btw its okay to debate dude I wont hold anything agaist u with if disagree. No fun otherwise. I really think minato's skills are more or less fully revealed before the time of his untimely death.

I consider myself very fair to characters I try to be methodical as much as possible which comes easy to me because I dont have any favoute characters although I Like gai alot reminds me of DBZ and hes very unque.


Regarding who created the death god technique, we enought evidence to know this technique infact was created by the uzumaki clan.

The trade mark swirl left behind on the user belongs to the uzumaki clan which isn't too surprising, since they were wiped out because their specialty with sealing jutsu. Not to mention Uzumaki Kushina did say she taught the forth hokage sealing techniques who incidentally was the first person we saw use this technique. Also the Raikage speculated Minato would have learned the death god summoning from Uzumaki Kushina. (By the way the cloud village tried to kidnap Uzumaki Kushina).

you ever thought that he couldn't risk using any major jutsu considering his wife and village was there? put it this way the guy is a jutsu creator even the 3th hokage said it there are many secret that was never show about minato hell, they don't even know all the secret to the reaper death seal either, and again you could say the same for tobi he never showed any major move's either, being granted Hokage and you still think he has little jutsu if not powerfull one's. (give the guy and break he use contact seal breaking tobi control from the fox, save his wife and son as well and did a sealing jutsu(is very clear that kishi didn't want to battle to be a long one due to the fact that his wife just had a baby and needed attending to. give the guy credit for making tobi run and for bloody sakes all of you stop comparing two legend with each other.

 

[HinataAzula]

truthfully we have seen a lot of material about madara and not very much about minato so we don't know how powerful minato is compared to him

 

[The L]

made by a madara fanboy minato is stronger look at the fight they had and im pretty sure he would beat him in his prime seeing as minato was the strongest of the kages

 

[Itachi Forever]

Did you ever think that Akatsuki probably wasn't around at that time? It was 16 years ago.

The Akatsuki was around, but was being run by Yahiko so this is before Nagato became leader.

 

[kobi sugoichi kempachi]

DigitalMonster;4225166]First of all if you are a Minato tard half the library get out.

[ALT + F4 at the same time]

Plot induced-stupidity


A division of his power

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The entire time that he was fighting Minato, he was also controlling the Nine Tails, you know, that animal that was fighting the village, that Minato had to give his life to seal, and that his badass wife had to chain up for him.

Madara was hurried

They should have ""F#ck U"" to click on instead of a thank you cus this guy is the same douche who made the """Sasari can beet Minato (certian conditions)"" thread so it is clear that this lil Jimmy is a Minato hater.
That thread was so flaw that Minato could beat Sasori in those contitions.:flaw: smh.

And Now its becoming Comical with this thread.So let me set him strait......

( exhale)​

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People forget about Madara catching Minato's wrist really easily and almost-warping him, but conveniently deciding to warp him slower than he was capable of despite knowing of and already witnessing Hiraishin.

Great point -_-, ok

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Controlling the Nine Tails isn't easy. Minato himself was clear that Tobi needs to kill Minato fast, and it's that hastiness that allows Minato to defeat Tobi, as well as a hell of a lot of plot protection.

Sharingan Genjutsu

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Minato, like Konan, was staring at the Sharingan, but Tobi seems to actively choose not to use Sharingan genjutsu until the endgame, like Sasuke. That's pretty much plot-induced stupidity as well.

Complete Izanagi

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Madara made one Sharingan last five minutes. That's ten minutes of Danzō-style of invincibility and teleportation. Which can be used
intermittently with intangibility, rendering Madara invincible.

Kunai Placement

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Tobi's ability conveniently played to Minato's strength as well. Could you find a better position for a Hiraishin tag other than the back of somebody's head? It's too bad Tobi didn't use that feint that he used on Torune...

Minato's Strongest

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Tobi tanked and regenerated from Minato's strongest attack in a way that Orochimaru would. So he can be intangible for five minutes, use Izanagi, buy seconds with genjutsu, teleport seal-lessly, and tank

Madara didn't have prep

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This claim annoys me. Madara strolled in, murdered all of Minato's bodyguards and nurses with Minato in the same room, marched to Konohagakure, slaughtering many shinobi, and obliterated Minato's family. Akatsuki and him could have come back the next day and taken the Fox back if not for the plot.

um hummmm. All These points can be argued aginst your case. To 'paraphrase' what you are sayin is that Minato defeated Madara, Who just killed some umbo black obs Ninja, Who are Highly overated to, but thats her nor there, Stole Minato's wife, Tamed the 9 tails, And all these feats was STOPPED...

Minato did all of this(including stopping/sealing the 9 tails wich he didnt hasve to do), By Him Self. Period. EMS/Senju DNA- Madara is weaker than late Madara before his battle with Hashirama. In the big picture and you dont have to be color blind to see it, is that In order to futher his goal of gaining Infinite Tysukyumi He had to sacrifice what made him Powerful-meaning his skill and body.

Your title sould be the Habitual Minato hater and I dont Know Why but your cases agianst him are biaest and Douche-shi and you need to.......

know your roll/~ stfu ~​

 

[HinataAzula]

They should have ""F#ck U"" to click on instead of a thank you cus this guy is the same douche who made the """Sasari can beet Minato (certian conditions)"" thread so it is clear that this lil Jimmy is a Minato hater.
That thread was so flaw that Minato could beat Sasori in those contitions.:flaw: smh.

And Now its becoming Comical with this thread.So let me set him strait......

( exhale)​

um hummmm. All These points can be argued aginst your case. To 'paraphrase' what you are sayin is that Minato defeated Madara, Who just killed some umbo black obs Ninja, Who are Highly overated to, but thats her nor there, Stole Minato's wife, Tamed the 9 tails, And all these feats was STOPPED...

Minato did all of this(including stopping/sealing the 9 tails wich he didnt hasve to do), By Him Self. Period. EMS/Senju DNA- Madara is weaker than late Madara before his battle with Hashirama. In the big picture and you dont have to be color blind to see it, is that In order to futher his goal of gaining Infinite Tysukyumi He had to sacrifice what made him Powerful-meaning his skill and body.

Your title sould be the Habitual Minato hater and I dont Know Why but your cases agianst him are biaest and Douche-shi and you need to.......

know your roll/~ stfu ~​

yes thank you

 

[Amantius]

yes thank you

well try to show what happens but here it goes

 

[yondaimeminato]

lol madara at his prime? so almost everyone here believes that madara at his Prime is better than this madara version?

This current madara/tobi/mask man is better than Madara at his prime. This current madara has the first hokage's cell within him. He can make his body intangible, teleport and send other people to other dimension.

When madara accomplished EMS. He still wanted more or NEEDED more because he was losing to the first hokage. Of course he will not say that he lost to the first hokage in their battles because he is the one telling the story to sasuke.

The only reason why madara resorted to the nine tail demon fox was because he wanted to defeat the first hokage. He needed the power of the Nine Tail Demon Fox to defeat the first hokage and yet he lost.

You might argue that the first hokage's wife helped the first hokage but the bottom line is that "MADARA AT HIS PRIME" needed help of the nine tail demon fox. He doesn't trust his own EMS powers or EMS powers doesn't help as much as many people believe in here. Madara knew about this and this is why he wanted the help of the nine tail demon fox. He knew having EMS wasn't enough to defeat the First hokage so he wanted the power of the nine tail demon fox.

when madara accomplished EMS, he didn't have the powers he has right now. If madara were to be able to make his body intangible and send other people to other dimension and teleport along with the EMS. He wouldn't need the help of the nine tail demon fox to defeat the first hokage. Also it's been said that only the second hokage was the first to perform time/space teleport jutsu. This means that the first hokage wasn't able to perform time/space teleport jutsu. Only those who are able to do space/time teleport jutsu have any chance in winning against the current madara/tobi/mask man right now to counter madara's teleportation. There is also the need of speed. This proofs that when madara was at his prime, he didn't have the powers he currently possess.

In your argument that minato defeated madara because he was controlling the nine tail demon fox is also invalid. He can easily break the link between him and the nine tail demon fox. He had the choice not to control the nine tail demon fox. If you say that he needed the fox to destroy the village. The nine tail demon fox, would have still destroy the village whether being controlled or not. Madara didn't need to control the nine tail demon fox to destroy the village. The nine tail demon fox would have still destroyed the village. Madara even had the choice of bringing the nine tail demon fox to where he was fighting Minato. But he didn't.

Minato defeated a madara who is not only madara but Madara+harishima's cell+EMS

 

[Swizzik]

have you seen madaras ems nooooooo! so stfu!

 

[yondaimeminato]

have you seen madaras ems nooooooo! so stfu!

If you say that madara didn't have EMS when he fought minato then yes I haven't seen it but I don't need to. He has to have some sort of EMS

To be able to perform powers without any hand seals. Powers that focus to his eye then it has to be a MS. MS from EMS aren't that different. The only difference is that EMS gives eternal light while MS means that the more you use it the more you get blind.

In a math problem how do you find or solve X. X+3=4. X=1

This is the same logic. Madara has used the same ocular powers for over 16 years. Ocular powers that MS can provide. He is not afraid of using his ocular powers or doesn't really get exhausted by using his sharingan.

if you ask me why he only uses his right eye then my answer is he uses his left eye for izinagi. Since he has a lot of sharingans in his lab for self protection, he uses a normal sharingan that he is not going to be afraid of using for his izinagi power. If you need an example then watch the fight against konan. He sacrifices his left eye to use izinagi.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

in that fight madara just trying to prevent minato to hold the kyubi in fact minato himslef said that madara read all of his movement

 

[FirzenNaruto]

Madara is a million years old (I'm exaggerating, don't flame me). A Majority of the Kage-tier nins would've become uber-strong under the same conditions.....

But disregarding the 'what-if', Yeah, Madara's badass.