Minato is actually weaker than a lot of Naruto Characters.

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You can't prove that Minato is weak because
1. He didn't live long enough
2. He was fast enough to kill almost anybody
3. He could outsmart almost anybody
4. His was one of the best/maybe even the best in sealing jutsu yet seen in the manga
5. Yes Minato hasn't SHOWN any other powerful jutsu, but just because he may be weaker, doesn't mean he wouldn't win the fight (Jiraiya for example: Jiraiya was more skilled and had more powerful jutsus SHOWN so far, Minato would still win due to Jiraiya not having any counter to space-time speed. And its not just his speed that does everything in his battles, its also his intelligence. If he battled the Kyuubi 1-on-1 without any distractions, he could possibly beat the Kyuubi. He has countered a TBB, what else can the Kyuubi do so dangerous other than blow wind?)

So my conclusion is that you can't base facts off what you've never seen
 

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Look I can't be bothered to type a real long response as I usually do .. but lets look at the facts here, Minato doesn't use normal rasengans .. if you saw in one of the newer episodes of the anime you would know his rasengans blow shit up. His small rasengan did massive damage to surrounding area .. Narutos small ones didn't do that. His rasengans do far more damage then narutos. His double super rasengan would be his finish (he can do one in each hand) and that wouldn't be that much of a push over tech. Not saying he is in the top 5, but don't mistake his abilities to be weak, Minato didn't like killing people and he was pretty tough he would have fought and defeated his own number of S rank ninja. But the story wasn't about him, it was about his son as a lot of ninja from that time frame, we don't see any to the extent we see narutos generation except for the sensei.

In situations you have to go by this logic, hokage have to defeat S rank and higher ninja to prove strength and gain acknowledgement. In order to defeat these type of ninja you need a finishing move, each ninja has one and we have seen all of the current generations ones ones. You just never saw minatos, it could even be some rasengan sealing combo. That would be tank,
 

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Minato has never had an opponent in witch he had to show off his special jutsus, and that is stated by Jiraya, just by touching you he already had a seal on u and could just appear in a flash behind you... si he really never needed to use his finishing moves. and his a Kage their suppose to have some of everything in their arsenal...
 
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Sure the yellow flash is one of the fastest shinobis in Narutoverse. However, what he really lacks is a powerful move. So far from what we've seen the strongest weapons in his arsenal are his kunai and the rasengan. Meaning he can get behind his opponent in the blink of an eye and stab 'em with his kunai. This might be quite effective against some of the characters in Naruto. However, this puts Minato in a bad spot against the top tier naruto characters such as the kages, akatsuki members like orochimaru, itachi, pain and Madara Uchiha and Even Biiju Naruto. Rasengan, as we have seen, has been countered thousands of times in naruto. There are so many characters that can simply withstand it. For example, orochimaru can easily withstand a kunai attack or a rasengan thanks to his regenerative abilities. Minato can keep chopping him off all day but he will just keep coming out of his shells. Sage Kabuto is another character that will annihilate minato in terms of feats. Minato can rasengan him all day but he will just keep healing himself. Ninjutsu is useless against edo madara so minato will have to take him down with power moves. The problem is minato doesn't have any. Like he doesn't have any moves that will break the susanoo. Strength is a feat he seems to lack as well. Now I have no doubt in Minato's superior intellect and I can guarantee he will find a way to score a direct hit on any opponent. The only problem is that hit may not be enough to finish off some of the top rank shinobies. And that makes minato a weak match against them. Sure minato can defeat kakashi and the jonins of leaf village and even jiraiya(because he died cause of the chakra rod stab wound from pain minato can stab him too even in sage mode) with his speed. But against some characters with high defenses, hes just useless. Its a shame he had to die so early cause I am sure he would of perfected his rasengan and chakra affinity if he lived but the fact remains, Minato does not have a high power ninja move.
sorry to say this..........but this thread is a total fail.:flaw:

first of all,you forgot to tell about the sealing techniques and summons of minato!according to the manga,there is no one who uses greater sealing techniques than minato!

just think about it............we haven't seen everything from minato.....

we all thought tsunade was a weak kage with nothing to offer.but after all this time,she pulls a stunt against madara.

she is still weak,:D,but the point is if some one like tsunade who has been actively alive in the manga,can pull out a stunt like that,why do u think that this is all the techniques that minato has?....just think .he may have a lot more techniques in his arsenal.:shrug:

i'm not a minato fan,but can't ignore the truth!xd
 

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That's cool with me, I would be very pleased if someone can prove me wrong. Cause I am, in fact, a minato fan. But I believe in rational arguments rather then stating something biased.
Question: If Minato wasn't really that strong explain to me why all of the Akatsuki and the Raikage and the 3rd Hokage and the entire leaf village and the shinobi world consider him out of everyones league? Why did A the Raikage say he was the strongest ninja of his time?Why did Anko wish he was still alive so Orochimaru wouldn't have dared to attack the village? why was he the only ninja that we know of thus far to have a flee on sight order given because of him? Lastly but not at all the least, why in the all but 2 minute battle he had with masked Mardara ( who not only was the most powerfull but also the real leader of Akatsuki ) end with one attack weather it was a rasengan or not?


P.S. Did you see what he did with a direct attack from the nine-tails tailed beast bomb?
 

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If u say so den b it... after all ur point of arguments were based from ur suppositions... facts > assumptions..

1. Nagato and Tobi do nat share d same goal.. I suggest u reread manga. (fact)
2. Ddn't Tobi jaz odered / forced Nagato to capture d 9-tailed jinchuriki.. (fact)
3. 1 of Itachi's main goal is to kill Madara (fact)

D fact dat Itachi lied most of d tym (specially in part 1) doesn't necessarily mean he lies all d tym.. For instance, he told Sasuke, he & Tobi killed d rest of d Uchiha Clan.. This revelation as we've witnessed isn't a lie, it's d truth!

If Tobi really isn't dat strong den y would u think SUPER POWER like Nagato follow his orders. If Tobi is WEAk den y would he jaz beat d living hell out of him instead of serving him.. take Sasuke & Orochimaru's case for example!

Nagato isn't Sasuke. Sasuke and Nagato obviously had two 100% different goals. Nagato won't just kill off somone because he's weaker than him :sy:. I suggest you re read the manga.

Nagato and Tobi wanted to make peace by capturing the tailed beast and moon eyes plan. Tobi didn't order him, Pein knew he was the only one to be able to go capture it.

Nagato and Tobi were allies.

Where in the manga did it say Itachi wanted to kill Madara. :sy: We don't even know the whole story and your just sitting here making assumptions.

Show me 1 time where Tobi forced his power on anyone.

What we do know is that Itachi and Tobi made some kind of deal when dealing with the Uchiha clan (fact)

NAgato and Tobi were allies (fact)
 

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minato still has sealing and space-ninjutsu plus he can use toads so nope he is not weak just because he dosent know thousands of over powered jutsus
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What Minato lacks in power he makes up for in intelligence, so while he's not as Hax as most of the rest of the top tier, it's not like he wouldn't be capable of putting up a fight and winning against most of them. That said, he seems a little to dependent on Hiraishin, judging from what we have seen. Any ninja who can take advantage of that detail would have a good edge against him.
 

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u do know that he has alot more jutsu he just doesnt use them cause they need handseals and he is a fast pace fighter and hardly needs to use them cause he can win alot of fights with just ftg and rasengan so we dont see everything he has lol
 

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Please don't be silly, I'm no Minato fanboy, nor is he in my top ten, but you have give credit where credit is due!

Minato isn't just fast, he's stupid fast, he b*tch slapped Tobi, a character who hasn't even been touched by the new generation of ninja (excluding Konan). He also out did A, and sparred Bee because he liked him. During the 3rd Great Ninja War he took out a companies worth Shinobi on his own!(as seen in Kakashi Chronicles).

Minato created the Rasengan, as the original we don't truly know it's power ;however, we do know the technique was created to mimic the Bijuu Bomb, which is pretty tits all on it's own.

Not only was his sealing already great, but then he married an Uzumaki who taught him even more sealing techniques, and made him the best in the biz.

I believe it's been stated that he has been the youngest Hokage to this day. One does not become Hokage easily, you must have a variety of skills, you must be wise, and tactical, and your intentions must always be whats best for the village. Such a burdn is not entrusted so easily, we've all seen how douchey the elders of Konoha are, there must've been something special about Minato to win them over.

Over all my argument was lazy, but if that doesn't convince you please tell me who your favorite character is so we can systematically destroy him.

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there we go again about power determining the winner. You can have all the power in the world and still lose to a person who is ten times weaker than you. We have seen examples of this countless times in naruto manga yet there are still people who are clueless

Raikage
Mizukage
Commanders
Tsunade
Third Hokage
Tobi/Masked man
many more

The whole shinobi world feared minato.
 
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Nagato isn't Sasuke. Sasuke and Nagato obviously had two 100% different goals. Nagato won't just kill off somone because he's weaker than him :sy:. I suggest you re read the manga.

Nagato and Tobi wanted to make peace by capturing the tailed beast and moon eyes plan. Tobi didn't order him, Pein knew he was the only one to be able to go capture it.

Nagato and Tobi were allies.

Where in the manga did it say Itachi wanted to kill Madara. :sy: We don't even know the whole story and your just sitting here making assumptions.

Show me 1 time where Tobi forced his power on anyone.

What we do know is that Itachi and Tobi made some kind of deal when dealing with the Uchiha clan (fact)

NAgato and Tobi were allies (fact)
Yes I am reading manga weekly, I don't know about u! It's either ur to slow to pick-up english or ur too naive to understand d situation.. Either way dis will be my last reply to u, give urself a favor.. grow up!

1. Nagato isn't Sasuke, what's ur point? Of course dey have diffrent goals & dat's 100% guaranteed. D point here is, I jaz gave u an instance where he didn't lie.. Don't make an assumptions dat Itachi will lie to everyone except 4 his beloved brother, coz he already did.. He hide d true reason behind d Uchiha massacre to Sasuke.

2. Nagato won't jaz kill someone weaker dan him?? He jaz destroyed d whole hidden leaf village & killed innocent people der. (women, children, including his former sensei -Jiraiya)

3.Nagato & Tobi do not share d same goal.. I never thought I would have to go in detail jaz to enlighten your ass..

Nagato's Goal - He wanted to capture d tailed beast because the beasts would be used to create a deadly Kinjutsu technique that could wipe out one of the five great nations in an instant, so if countries go to war and do not have ninja villages to fight for them, they would turn to Akatsuki and their "weapon". Whichever side has Pain use the technique first would wipe out the opposing country. After witnessing the mass destruction caused by the weapon, the other remaining countries would become too afraid to start wars for fear of being wiped out as well. Thus, through this mutual fear, war would cease to exist and the world would know peace, until the people forget that fear and use the weapon again. Thus the cycle would repeat, creating small periods of peace in an endless chain of hatred.

Apparently, Pain and Konan were the only Akatsuki members aware of this part of the plan. After Pain's death and Konan's defection, this goal has been ceased.

Tobi's Goal - is to become "complete" through collecting the tailed beasts. All of this seem to be part of the "Eye of the Moon Plan". His plan is to gather all of the tailed beasts so he can fuse them and bring forth the Ten-Tails and become its jinchūriki, then cast an Infinite Tsukuyomi on the moon to control the world. Tobi declared a world war to succeed in this goal.

4. One of Itachi's goal is to kill Tobi as what he believed was Madara.
Reread or re-watch d part where Sasuke stabbed Itachi at d back.. If u can't understand deyr arguments, it's no longer my concern. He even attempted to kill Tobi through Sasuke via amaterasu.

5. Show u 1 time where Tobi used his power to any1.. He jaz forcefully used it against Konan. If u want more, den ders 4th MIzukage, Minato, blah blah .. He even declared d 4th great shinobi war!

6. Yes, deyr on the same organization, d situation though was Tobi is d leader & Nagato was his subordinate. D fact dat Tobi & Nagato were allies
doesn't necessarily mean dey could not face each other in a fight. As what I stated above dey have different goals & priorities.. If u think Tobi isn't strong enough, Nagato could jaz beat d living hell out of him & took over what's he left off.. I jaz informed u, take Sasuke & Orochimaru's case 4 example!
 

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Yes I am reading manga weekly, I don't know about u! It's either ur to slow to pick-up english or ur too naive to understand d situation.. Either way dis will be my last reply to u, give urself a favor.. grow up!

1. Nagato isn't Sasuke, what's ur point? Of course dey have diffrent goals & dat's 100% guaranteed. D point here is, I jaz gave u an instance where he didn't lie.. Don't make an assumptions dat Itachi will lie to everyone except 4 his beloved brother, coz he already did.. He hide d true reason behind d Uchiha massacre to Sasuke.

2. Nagato won't jaz kill someone weaker dan him?? He jaz destroyed d whole hidden leaf village & killed innocent people der. (women, children, including his former sensei -Jiraiya)

3.Nagato & Tobi do not share d same goal.. I never thought I would have to go in detail jaz to enlighten your ass..

Nagato's Goal - He wanted to capture d tailed beast because the beasts would be used to create a deadly Kinjutsu technique that could wipe out one of the five great nations in an instant, so if countries go to war and do not have ninja villages to fight for them, they would turn to Akatsuki and their "weapon". Whichever side has Pain use the technique first would wipe out the opposing country. After witnessing the mass destruction caused by the weapon, the other remaining countries would become too afraid to start wars for fear of being wiped out as well. Thus, through this mutual fear, war would cease to exist and the world would know peace, until the people forget that fear and use the weapon again. Thus the cycle would repeat, creating small periods of peace in an endless chain of hatred.

Apparently, Pain and Konan were the only Akatsuki members aware of this part of the plan. After Pain's death and Konan's defection, this goal has been ceased.

Tobi's Goal - is to become "complete" through collecting the tailed beasts. All of this seem to be part of the "Eye of the Moon Plan". His plan is to gather all of the tailed beasts so he can fuse them and bring forth the Ten-Tails and become its jinchūriki, then cast an Infinite Tsukuyomi on the moon to control the world. Tobi declared a world war to succeed in this goal.

4. One of Itachi's goal is to kill Tobi as what he believed was Madara.
Reread or re-watch d part where Sasuke stabbed Itachi at d back.. If u can't understand deyr arguments, it's no longer my concern. He even attempted to kill Tobi through Sasuke via amaterasu.

5. Show u 1 time where Tobi used his power to any1.. He jaz forcefully used it against Konan. If u want more, den ders 4th MIzukage, Minato, blah blah .. He even declared d 4th great shinobi war!

6. Yes, deyr on the same organization, d situation though was Tobi is d leader & Nagato was his subordinate. D fact dat Tobi & Nagato were allies
doesn't necessarily mean dey could not face each other in a fight. As what I stated above dey have different goals & priorities.. If u think Tobi isn't strong enough, Nagato could jaz beat d living hell out of him & took over what's he left off.. I jaz informed u, take Sasuke & Orochimaru's case 4 example!
Well you caught me on the Tobi and Nagato not having the same views, but did it look like Tobi and Pein ever had conflict of different views.

You're still referring to that 1 part but you know Itachi was lieing. It is unsure what went on between them but Tobi could always run away and it makes it hard to stop him at all times. Itachi set the ama up on Sasuke so that Tobi does not come in contact to Sasuke. This has been pointed out many times.

Right here Tobi says he couldnt have done it without everyones help and they all joined on their free will.



I asked you to point out where Tobi forces his power on anyone and you gave me konan lol

Tobi and Pein are on the same page

 
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