Minato can't attack a maintained Susanoo user.

[Dantee]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

You still haven't really addressed my idea though.

1.) If the radius theory is correct, then minato only needs to get a seal (on a kunai, or otherwise) A few feet outside of susano'o

2.) from there, he would be close enough to teleport virtually into sasuke, like he did tobi. (bare in mind, this happened so quickly to tobi, that even he was unable to activate his near instantaneous in-tangebilty ability)

3.) If minato does teleport into sasuke like that, i showed the scan to demonstrate that there WOULD be enough room inside susano'o for both of them that way

4.) minato was also able to stab and place a seal on tobi so quickly that tobi was able to do nothing but notice he was getting owned.

I think, that minato could get into susano'o this way IF the radius theory is correct, and then, on account of tobi himself not being able to avoid the attacks from that point on, i don't think sasuke (sorry, i was still thinking on the previous thread) Or any susano'o user would be able to react either.

Being able to react and going right through Susanoo is two different things.
Personally I think if Sasuke can activate Enton in time from a attack from the Raikage I think he can activate Susanoo.

Two people can't possible fit inside Susanoo because all the layers are still formed including the ribcage

As seen here Minato can't possibly fit inside Susanoo with Sasuke.

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There is only room for the user.

 

[Thegreatflash]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

Being able to react and going right through Susanoo is two different things.
Personally I think if Sasuke can activate Enton in time from a attack from the Raikage I think he can activate Susanoo.

Two people can't possible fit inside Susanoo because all the layers are still formed including the ribcage

As seen here Minato can't possibly fit inside Susanoo with Sasuke.

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There is only room for the user.

( I edited my post and put a link to the page from which i think minato gets close enough to an opponent that he COULD fit into that susano'o)

Although from your scan that susano'o is pretty small, it would be a tight fit, that's for sure.

 

[Dantee]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

- Yeah, surprise bum *** is always an option.
- Err, the reason why chakra is being saved is because the Susanoo would keep it's strong defence without having the maintain all of the inner layers. Losing blood or having aches isn't related the chakra depletion :|

Uhmm no that makes no sense and it isn't proven at all in the manga.

EMS saves chakra because the user doesn't go blind and the side effects are minimized. And yes having aches and loss blood does apply to losing chakra.

 

[OnPoint]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

Uhmm no that makes no sense and it isn't proven at all in the manga.

EMS saves chakra because the user doesn't go blind and the side effects are minimized. And yes having aches and loss blood does apply to losing chakra.

That makes no sense? You trolling? Susanoo is the materialisation of the user's chakra, and thus, each layer is simply formed from this substance. If someone is not having to maintain all 4 layers, then they'd clearly be saving chakra as opposed to someone who is having to do this. You say my point isn't proven yet you haven't provided any manga facts which show EMS users still have to use all layers - the Susanoo which Sasuke used to pawn the Zetsus looks quite hollow to me. And frankly, I think what i'm saying makes far more sense than 'losing blood means losing chakra' or 'having aches means losing chakra'. The EMS seems far more efficient if it were to save chakra by such means. Just. Sayin.

 

[Dantee]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

Edit: to your last post, when minato teleported this way, to tobi, they were actually RIGHT, next to each other, close enough to even fit into the rip-cage by eye-balling it, it would seem. for those who don't remember This is how close they were

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That LOOKS like it could fit inside even the ribcage susano'o (although his cloak might get caught in the enton)

No it doesn't. There is no room for Minato to fit inside the ribcage with Sasuke.

Do you not see the room it takes to stab someone and the the circumfrence of the Susanoo ribcage. Really? This is not rocket science.

It's like wearing a jacket and you're saying two people can fit inside.

 

[Thegreatflash]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

No it doesn't. There is no room for Minato to fit inside the ribcage with Sasuke.

Do you not see the room it takes to stab someone and the the circumfrence of the Susanoo ribcage. Really? This is not rocket science.

It's like wearing a jacket and you're saying two people can fit inside.

I think were just gonna have to agree to disagree then, cause from that scan, they seem right on top of each other enough to fit. I mean, There bodies are right up against each other, his left leg is even behind tobi. The only think that looks like it might be out of the ribkage, is his right foot, but it would be under it anyway.

 

[Dantee]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

That makes no sense? You trolling? Susanoo is the materialisation of the user's chakra, and thus, each layer is simply formed from this substance. If someone is not having to maintain all 4 layers, then they'd clearly be saving chakra as opposed to someone who is having to do this. You say my point isn't proven yet you haven't provided any manga facts which show EMS users still have to use all layers - the Susanoo which Sasuke used to pawn the Zetsus looks quite hollow to me. And frankly, I think what i'm saying makes far more sense than 'losing blood means losing chakra'. Just. Sayin.

What you're trying to imply is that the reason EMS users don't lose as much chakra is because they don't need to maintain all the Susanoo layers.

That is just really dum sorry. :sy: When it's obvious that they don't lose as much chakra because the side effects from their techniques are gone.

But here I will humor your silly assumptions.

You can clearly see Sasuke deform his susanoo into the ribcage state again.

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Madara

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Now where is your proof they don't use all the layers? none.

 

[3MESSIAH]

right you are

 

[OnPoint]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

What you're trying to imply is that the reason EMS users don't lose as much chakra is because they don't need to maintain all the Susanoo layers.

That is just really dum sorry. :sy: When it's obvious that they don't lose as much chakra because the side effects from their techniques are gone.

But here I will humor your silly assumptions.

You can clearly see Sasuke deform his susanoo into the ribcage state again.

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Madara

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Now where is your proof they don't use all the layers? none.

- Where's the proof? All i'm seeing is them deactivating/destabilizing Susanoo. Where's the page which shows all 4 layers in use at one time?

 

[Dantee]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

- Where's the proof? All i'm seeing is them deactivating/destabilizing Susanoo. Where's the page which shows all 4 layers in use at one time?

Why would the ribcage be there while the Susanoo is deforming?? Derp Derp they were using it.

You still haven't shown your proof to prove me wrong.

 

[OnPoint]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

Why would the ribcage be there while the Susanoo is deforming?? Derp Derp they were using it.

You still haven't shown your proof to prove me wrong.

Why would the ribcage be there if Susanoo's final form is up? When the lower layers are needed, the outer ones are deactivated and the inner ones are spawned. We've seen how quickly Sasuke can bring his up; Itachi also reacted to Kirin - it makes sense. Susanoo does not simply piss away unnecessary chakra like that if you're an EMS user.

Touché.

 

[Dantee]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

I think were just gonna have to agree to disagree then, cause from that scan, they seem right on top of each other enough to fit. I mean, There bodies are right up against each other, his left leg is even behind tobi. The only think that looks like it might be out of the ribkage, is his right foot, but it would be under it anyway.

Ok I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding this but look closely and really look.

See the space between Susanoo? really really small right??

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Now look at your picture again.

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Now ask yourself this.

Which is bigger the circumfrence of two people or one person with ribcage Susanoo.

Why would the ribcage be there if Susanoo's final form is up? When the lower layers are needed, the outer ones are deactivated and the inner ones are spawned. We've seen how quickly Sasuke can bring his up; Itachi also reacted to Kirin - it makes sense. Susanoo does not simply piss away unnecessary chakra like that if you're an EMS user.

Touché.

Again manga page. No further replies until you back your baseless statements.

I've already proven it with examples. You're just spouting nonsense. Susannoo for EMS users and MS users are alike. There is nothing to prove it's not.

 

[OnPoint]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

Again manga page. No further replies until you back your baseless statements.

I've already proven it with examples. You're just spouting nonsense.

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Never mind Sasuke's countless Susanoo spawn feats.

You can't catch lightning with your eye, if it wasn't so bright you probably wouldn't notice it. If Susanoo is being spawned at that speed, you wouln't catch the changeover, and it'd just seem like it was there the whole time. Blood and aches do not equate to chakra loss, that claim is laughable and is the premise from which you're working upon.

 

[Dantee]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

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Never mind Sasuke's countless Susanoo spawn feats.

You can't catch lightning with your eye, if it wasn't so bright you probably wouldn't notice it. If Susanoo is being spawned at that speed, you wouln't catch the changeover, and it'd just seem like it was there the whole time. Blood and aches do not equate to chakra loss, that claim is laughable and is the premise from which you're working upon.

Aches and blood loss effects your stamina. Stamina = chakra in the manga. This is proven. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that scan? So please explain again?

What you're saying EMS userrs save more chakra because they don't use all the Susanoo layers and that is even more laughable. Probably one of the most dummest things I've ever heard really.

 

[Bogard]

Space time barrier FTW:

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No need to go through Susanoo when you can simply warp attacks through it

 

[Dantee]

Space time barrier FTW:

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No need to go through Susanoo when you can simply warp attacks through it

Yeah thats a cool story bro.

 

[OnPoint]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

Aches and blood loss effect your stamina. Stamina = chakra in the manga. This is proven. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with that scan? So please explain again?

What you're saying EMS userrs save more chakra because they don't use all the Susanoo layers and that is even more laughable. Probably one of the most dummest things I've ever heard really.

Quite simple really, Susanoo can spawn at around the speed of lightning, which is quick enough to deceive human sight and therefore give the impression that it was either there all the time or not at all. You say your 'proof' shows all layers working in tandem when really it just shows each layer being spawned at the user's request (at crazy speeds).

Stamina = chakra? Susanoo = chakra, and another layer of Susanoo is another layer of the user's materialised chakra. Chakra reserves and human fitness are two different things in this manga (ala, Gai's fitness vs Nagato's chakra). Less layers = less chakra drainage = EMS. In any case, I don't understand how you think losing blood equates to losing stamina which then equates to losing chakra. Crazy talk.

 

[Bogard]

Yeah thats a cool story bro.

Of course. I'm always right

 

[Dantee]

Re: Minato can teleport can attack a maintained Susanoo user.

Quite simple really, Susanoo can spawn at around the speed of lightning, which is quick enough to deceive human sight and therefore give the impression that it was either there all the time or not at all. You say your 'proof' shows all layers working in tandem when really it just shows each layer being spawned at the user's request (at crazy speeds).

Stamina = chakra? Susanoo = chakra, and another layer of Susanoo is another layer of the user's materialised chakra. Chakra reserves and human fitness are two different things in this manga (ala, Gai's fitness vs Nagato's chakra). In any case, I don't understand how you think losing blood equates to losing stamina which then equates to losing chakra. Crazy talk.

Each layer is spawned at crazy speeds. What I'm proving is that it is there all the time and being maintained. It is the reason why you always see it while it's being deformed for whatever reason.

Stamina = chakra. In the databooks people with high stamina usually have high chakra. Kakashi proves this and because of his low stamina/chakra he can barely use most of his techs without passing out.

Stamina= chakra
Stamina = chakra

Loss of blood,aches and pains all effect your stamina. Thusfore effecting your chakra.

Where is the proof EMS users have more stamina while using MS techniques than MS users just becaue of Susanoo layers? That is really idiotic.

EMS gets rid of loss of sight and other painful side effects from techniques. Thus saving chakra/stamina

 

[Father of Life]

Sasuke > Minato