Avinash012
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Indeed , but don't forgot that he a Jin as well ....IMO No jin can master TBB as fast as Minato due to his mastery over Rasengan
Minato cannot use TBB, Fanboys STFU
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Well if you don't really visit any section like you say, why do i see you in almost every Itachi/Minato threads? It's not as if "Edo Itachi = Healthy Itachi" opinion is something new for me to show you. If you really enjoy seeing BM Minato, then that's fine. Doesn't mean his prowess in controlling the beast that fast and his later feats shouldn't be considered especially when most of his feats he could have done it in base
@Bold what makes you think he couldn't use it alive? Pretty sure Minato was a Jinchuriki alive, only that he died from the drawbacks of the technique?
Lol @ People saying that Minato can be a Jinchuriki, when everything in Manga screams the opposite.
- Hizuren sealing Orochimaru's arms, Tobirama, and Hashirama and then the Shinigami eating the souls by cutting the links. As ALL of them were revived separately, this alone proves something that Kishimoto has to do something ridiculous for Minato within the war-arc.
- Madara is still waiting to revive himself, when he could become the Jinchuriki all along.
My goodness, the fans here. KCM Minato was Bullshit as it was, this Jinchuriki stuff smells like dead fish and BM is making the line of coherence look like a freaking dot. It's akin to a running gag for Minato, apparently. I agree with the thread.
- Hizuren sealing Orochimaru's arms, Tobirama, and Hashirama and then the Shinigami eating the souls by cutting the links. As ALL of them were revived separately, this alone proves something that Kishimoto has to do something ridiculous for Minato within the war-arc.
- Madara is still waiting to revive himself, when he could become the Jinchuriki all along.
My goodness, the fans here. KCM Minato was Bullshit as it was, this Jinchuriki stuff smells like dead fish and BM is making the line of coherence look like a freaking dot. It's akin to a running gag for Minato, apparently. I agree with the thread.
Blaze Release
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Nothing wrong with peaking in that section
Simple.
The moment he formed the seals, his soul left his body and was literally a dead man walking.
He was further weakened when kurama impaled him with his finger nail.
He was weakened and out of chakra.
All that is going off the fact, he sealed kurama in himself and died a jin. From what i know of the shiki fujin everything from the user to what the user had sealed are sealed in the death god to battle each other for all eternity.
Even if we assume he had some form of kcm, it would have been short lived, but more importantly Bm isn't possible. That is the mode for the dama. Bm mode is the contribution of kurama and the host either naruto or minato. Without his contribution neither can get into bm.
At the time minato sealed kurama, he (kurama) wasn't exactly in the best of moods after seeing itself being split and sealed by minato to for whatever reason team up with minato to achieve bm mode. The same person he was pissed off at to later help him get bm mode. Kurama wasn't exactly happy with minato, lets put it that way, therefore bm mode and the dama isn't possible, if indeed kcm could have been used for the briefest of moments
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Yes, that's because they died without the Bijuu in them and were revived without them. Obito put the Bijuus back in them after they became edo's and uses the chakra receiver to control them, this is so the Bijuu's don't over take the edo's. Minato became a Jinchuuriki before he died. Also Minato and Hiruzen used the Death Reaper Seal differently, Minato was better at it as you can see that he could shoot the arm out of him to grab Kurama while Hiruzen had to actually grab the edo kages and seal them. They used it for a different purpose, Minato sealed the chakra in his body
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and even described it being in his body while Hiruzen used it to seal their souls in the Death Reaper,
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. Look at their seals on their stomach, they aren't the exact same. Do you see the Hokages soul or Oro's hands attacked to Hiruzen Soul? Nope,
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Trollasaur
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Minato can transform into the bijju cloak, why wouldn't he be able to do a bijju bomb?
One of the most simplest moves, it's logical to say he can.
One of the most simplest moves, it's logical to say he can.
*Sigh*
Minato is a Jin. Get over it. The reaper death seal binds whatever the user specifies to the body of the user, which the demon then takes both the object sealed inside the user along with the user's life. In Minato's case, the kyuubi chakra was sealed in him, but then his own life was sealed and taken by the demon, which is the reason a marking can be seen on the user's body before the demon takes their lives. That's why it's called a reaper death SEAL. If nothing were being sealed into the user, there would be no need for a marking on the user's body BEFORE HE DIES.
That right there is the point at which Minato became a Jin. Kurama's yin was sealed inside of him, not the demon. Minato can even feel how heavy the chakra is, thus confirming the chakra is actually sealed inside of him, not the demon. Heck you even see the chakra stolen from the fox going into Minato, not the demon. Reaper death seal is basically 8-trigram except you die afterwards. If Minato had remained alive and been able to tame Kurama, he would be able to do everything he can do as an Edo with him. Remember time still runs even in the reaper death seal. You and what is sealed inside of you are said to be fighting each other for as long as you are within the demon's belly. So Minato and Kurama's yin chakra were battling one another for 16 years. That's PLENTY of time for Minato to tame and gain the respect and help of Kurama. It's the same process that Naruto went through. He had to battle Kurama's yang to get KCM. And then eventually gain Kurama's respect and trust to get BM. So how any of you see it as impossible for Minato to have done the same thing is beyond me
In the case of Hiruzen and Oro's Arm: Oro RELEASED his arms, Tobirama, and Hashirama. That is the reason why Hiruzen wasn't revived with their chakra still inside of him. Oro didn't release Kurama's yin chakra when he revived Minato, so Minato retained the chakra and remained it's Jin. It's really not that hard to understand.
In the case of Obito and the Edo Jins: The purpose of Obito's plan is to have the tailed beast chakra's sealed to the GEDO. Remember? Gedo? Shell of the juubi? Which needs the tailed beasts sealed inside of it to be revived? Why would he go through the effort of sealing the chakra back into dead bodies when they are already in the proper vessel and he can easily bind them temporarily with chakra rods and it serve the same purpose? Do you not remember how much the akatsuki kept complaining about how long it took to seal those things in the Gedo the first time? Why would he want to go through with that again? And on top of that, the members which helped him seal all that chakra are all dead.......
Aside from this, Minato was already shown doing a combo TBB attack with Naruto. And he mastered Rasengan which is based off the TBB. I really don't know what manga any of you are reading that suggests he can't be a jin, he can't use TBB or he can't do this stuff alive. But everything clearly shows that he can if you are just willing to pay attention
Minato is a Jin. Get over it. The reaper death seal binds whatever the user specifies to the body of the user, which the demon then takes both the object sealed inside the user along with the user's life. In Minato's case, the kyuubi chakra was sealed in him, but then his own life was sealed and taken by the demon, which is the reason a marking can be seen on the user's body before the demon takes their lives. That's why it's called a reaper death SEAL. If nothing were being sealed into the user, there would be no need for a marking on the user's body BEFORE HE DIES.
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That right there is the point at which Minato became a Jin. Kurama's yin was sealed inside of him, not the demon. Minato can even feel how heavy the chakra is, thus confirming the chakra is actually sealed inside of him, not the demon. Heck you even see the chakra stolen from the fox going into Minato, not the demon. Reaper death seal is basically 8-trigram except you die afterwards. If Minato had remained alive and been able to tame Kurama, he would be able to do everything he can do as an Edo with him. Remember time still runs even in the reaper death seal. You and what is sealed inside of you are said to be fighting each other for as long as you are within the demon's belly. So Minato and Kurama's yin chakra were battling one another for 16 years. That's PLENTY of time for Minato to tame and gain the respect and help of Kurama. It's the same process that Naruto went through. He had to battle Kurama's yang to get KCM. And then eventually gain Kurama's respect and trust to get BM. So how any of you see it as impossible for Minato to have done the same thing is beyond me
In the case of Hiruzen and Oro's Arm: Oro RELEASED his arms, Tobirama, and Hashirama. That is the reason why Hiruzen wasn't revived with their chakra still inside of him. Oro didn't release Kurama's yin chakra when he revived Minato, so Minato retained the chakra and remained it's Jin. It's really not that hard to understand.
In the case of Obito and the Edo Jins: The purpose of Obito's plan is to have the tailed beast chakra's sealed to the GEDO. Remember? Gedo? Shell of the juubi? Which needs the tailed beasts sealed inside of it to be revived? Why would he go through the effort of sealing the chakra back into dead bodies when they are already in the proper vessel and he can easily bind them temporarily with chakra rods and it serve the same purpose? Do you not remember how much the akatsuki kept complaining about how long it took to seal those things in the Gedo the first time? Why would he want to go through with that again? And on top of that, the members which helped him seal all that chakra are all dead.......
Aside from this, Minato was already shown doing a combo TBB attack with Naruto. And he mastered Rasengan which is based off the TBB. I really don't know what manga any of you are reading that suggests he can't be a jin, he can't use TBB or he can't do this stuff alive. But everything clearly shows that he can if you are just willing to pay attention
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Blaze Release
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Nice post, i have stopped thinking about it as kishi doesn't seem to want to explain anymore. You seem to know what you are talking about, so ill let you clarify something here.
What do you mean
"That right there is the point at which Minato became a Jin. Kurama's yin was sealed inside of him, not the demon."
"Remember time still runs even in the reaper death seal. You and what is sealed inside of you are said to be fighting each other for as long as you are within the demon's belly."
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1st: The point at which the seal was formed on Minato's body, which is the bottom panel, right side of the page I provided, is when he became the jin. Kurama was sealed inside of him while still alive, thus making him a jin in terms of it's definition, a host of a tailed beast. The only difference in the reaper death seal and the 8-trigram, as I said, is that you die afterwards. Other than that, the schematics are still the same as far as the object of containment being sealed inside the user. This idea that Minato wouldn't be a jin if he had lived is incorrect, as he was a jin before his life was taken.
2nd: Time still runs within the reaper death seal means that a person who's life is taken by the seal doesn't just simply ceases to exist. Their soul is still existing in another plane. While inside the demon's belly, the soul is still actively battling that which they chose to seal within themselves. I believe you actually pointed this out yourself in one of your posts. So within the 16 year span from when Minato sealed Kurama and the time he was revived as an Edo (Naruto should be about 16 or so now so I'm using his age as a timeline) Minato was in a battle with Kurama. Plenty of time to defeat and tame Kurama. It is the same process that Naruto had to go through alive, only Naruto's battle didn't start until Killer Bee helped him, while Minato began battling Kurama from the moment they entered the demon's belly, according to what is known of what happens once you are in the seal. So we've seen in two cases, one in life, and one in death, that the process of taming Kurama is exactly the same. Life or death didn't change a thing about it. You still have to battle and tame the tailed beast in order to gain access to their power. So this idea that Minato couldn't have tamed and used Kurama's power alive also makes no sense to me. The process is the same for life and death, so while you can't say FOR SURE that he would've been able to tame Kurama alive, saying that it's impossible is false. The only reason I don't say he would've for certain is because while alive you have to enter a certain psyche in order to do battle with the beast, but in the demon's belly you are already battling whatever you decided to seal, so we can't say for certain whether or not Minato would've entered the same mental world that Naruto had to in order to tame Kurama. There's a chance he wouldn't have even tried to had he not been forced to fight him inside the belly. But it is certainly possible either way.
Sorry it got so lengthy but I hope I clarified everything well enough
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Blaze Release
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Finally, if kishi isn't clarifying this i might get clarification from you. In your previous post you roughly explained the difference between Minato's and Hiruzen. Can you tell me the difference with this post:
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If kurama inhabited minato's body, what is he doing in the death gods stomach.
Ill just get a previous post
If minato was to die a host, a true jinchrucki who's beast dwells inside of his body, he will not be revived a jinchrucki as the container or should i say body that the beast was sealed into is now a corpse, but more importantly the container will be of no value anymore as the beast will be resurrected. Minato corpse never harboured the 9 tails, as then what kushina stated and later EI/Tsunade said would have been come true, kurama would have been revived. If his corpse harboured the fox, his corpse would have been of great value, the fox was in another place, the death god's stomach and not in his body. That is why its still baffling how he died a jinchrucki.
You seem to be saying that kurama was sealed in two places. In minato but also the death god and for obvious reasons cannot be at two places at once. It was either sealed in minato's body, or his body acted as some form of transfer and the fox later appeared within the grasp of the death god.
Nothing is contained in the user's body. Everything they seal is transported, along with their soul into the death gods belly and that is why he was never truly a host
Anyway i like the idea of asking questions when stuff do not add up, though id like to think im used to it by now, every now and then, im left scratching my head.
Firstly the whole point of those two sections in your post i cut out was that in one instance you are saying it (Kurama) was sealed in minato. The second instance you are saying, both minato and kurama were fighting in the death god stomach. For the latter to happen, kurama would also have to be in the exact same location as minato, the death gods belly. [
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]When minato appeared to have sealed kurama in himself [
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]. That kurama that minato supposedly sealed in himself was actually transported to the death god and didn't inhabit minato's body.If kurama inhabited minato's body, what is he doing in the death gods stomach.
Ill just get a previous post
If minato was to die a host, a true jinchrucki who's beast dwells inside of his body, he will not be revived a jinchrucki as the container or should i say body that the beast was sealed into is now a corpse, but more importantly the container will be of no value anymore as the beast will be resurrected. Minato corpse never harboured the 9 tails, as then what kushina stated and later EI/Tsunade said would have been come true, kurama would have been revived. If his corpse harboured the fox, his corpse would have been of great value, the fox was in another place, the death god's stomach and not in his body. That is why its still baffling how he died a jinchrucki.
You seem to be saying that kurama was sealed in two places. In minato but also the death god and for obvious reasons cannot be at two places at once. It was either sealed in minato's body, or his body acted as some form of transfer and the fox later appeared within the grasp of the death god.
Nothing is contained in the user's body. Everything they seal is transported, along with their soul into the death gods belly and that is why he was never truly a host
And that is the clarification im seeking that it appears kishi isn't giving. The term battling for all eternity is more of an expression rather than a fact, as then we can say the two hokage's, orochimaru and hiruzen were fighting each other. We then say minato/kurama were fighting each other. Yet these two group of people do not seem to know each other or have interacted with each other ever, Hashirama/Tobirama didn't know Minato even though they were all within the belly of the death god, unless it has many divisions within its stomach or the saying "fighting for all eternity" was an expression. Seems more like a state of nothingness.
Anyway i like the idea of asking questions when stuff do not add up, though id like to think im used to it by now, every now and then, im left scratching my head.
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@ Blaze release.
Regarding your statement on how hashirama and tobirama seem not to know Minato it could be potentially that their are separate dimensions within the death god the the victim goes to? Sort of how Madara created his own world via genjutsu displayed against kid obito rehabilitation each victim of the death god get their own space dimension.
Regarding your statement on how hashirama and tobirama seem not to know Minato it could be potentially that their are separate dimensions within the death god the the victim goes to? Sort of how Madara created his own world via genjutsu displayed against kid obito rehabilitation each victim of the death god get their own space dimension.
1st post: Very interesting way you described the process of the reaper death seal.Think of it this way. As I said before, 8-trigram and RDS are pretty much the same except that you die. It makes sense that the demon would have to seal both the user and the person the user sealed does it not? Think what happens after a jin dies. The sealed beast is then released. This means that simply sealing something inside a body isn't enough because once it dies, if the chakra isn't resealed in something else, it'll escape. The purpose of RDS is to PERMANENTLY seal something for good. So if the demon doesn't seal both the user and the person/object sealed, then the entire point of using the seal is wasted as the object will just escape again. Because the RDS has to take the life of the user, it also has to take what was sealed in the user as well in order to keep it sealed. It's as if the body is a barrier. When the barrier breaks, whatever it was keeping inside is free to roam unless you put up another barrier to keep it in place again. The demon acts as the 2nd, more permanent barrier.
As far as Tobirama and Hashi not knowing Minato, they weren't supposed to. They weren't doing battle with him, they didn't get sealed with Minato, so there's no reason for them to know of one another. I believe the "inside the demon's belly" is a figure of speech. What most likely happens is that the sealed victim and the user are just trapped in a world alone where they are said to "do battle" but most likely can choose to do whatever they want. Seeing as how you would typically use RDS on an enemy and not a friend, fighting is more likely to occur, thus the "doing battle for eternity" thing. So my point still stands. At the point of which Minato's seal appeared on his stomach, he became the jin for Kurama's yin. But once he died, Kurama had to be re-sealed inside the belly in order for the purpose of RDS to be fulfilled. Kurama was still sealed inside Minato, it's just that Minato died, or the barrier broke so to speak.
2nd Post: I didn't say two different things. What you didn't understand (most likely I didn't explain well so don't take that personally) is that ultimately both the user and victim of the seal are trapped inside the demon. That doesn't change the fact that the victim sealed inside the user FIRST (thus the seal on the body) and then both are sealed within the demon's belly. Nothing about that contradicts, they both ultimately end up in the same place. So in the case of Kurama and Minato, if Kurama is sealed within Minato, and Minato ends up inside the demon's belly, then ultimately Kurama is also inside the belly. But I think I know why you got confused at that point. I think you are thinking "same place" in terms of, if Kurama is inside Minato, then he can't be fighting with him. Which is why I brought up the point about the "mental psyche" with Naruto. He and Kurama did battle remember? But Kurama was sealed inside of Naruto. It's the same thing as that. Now don't get me wrong, how the demon's belly allows the two to fight one another I can't say because Kishi didn't spell it out in black and white, but it's clear from the simple fact that Minato was able to tame Kurama and use his powers like a perfect jin that he did manage to tame him at some point. Also as I pointed out in the first point, once a host dies the chakra is released, so in the case of RDS, if the demon has to re-seal the chakra of the victim along with sealing the user, then they both actually end up in the same place in the terms of which you are thinking. Which still makes it possible for Minato to tame Kurama.
As I said Kishi didn't spell it out in black and white so until he says no this is all speculation but it's the best conclusion I can come to that makes sense from what we've given. I hope I've atleast defended my beliefs well enough
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ReverseZero12
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People only see what they want to see. There's a scan hovering around with Minato using the tbb. He has all the prerequisites required for a tbb yet you think he can't?
Excellent post.