Mihawk can defeat White Beard

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I said almost never fight by any other means specifically to include the fights like whiskey peak (obviously he wasnt going to really try to kill luffy, also both got solo'd by nami in that same fight)
You already lost.
I fail to see how for comical reasons ; Nami hitting the two is relevant.

Having the strongest haki is not an irrelevent point... People say mihawk is the strongest swordsman, people also say shanks most likely has the best haki. IMO best haki>best swordsman. All the characters mentioned with their battle abilities prove nothing about their full potential in battle and you even said that, saying we dont know if mihawk fights with anything other than swords
Are you KIDDING ME?! HAKI IS THE EPITOME OF STRENGTH. I've proven to you multiple times that Shanks is a swordsman. Unlike such a point , you cannot prove either has superior Haki anwyays. But because of Mihawks allocated title (by the Gorousei and a built up reputation ; most probably when they all have knowledge of both characters power. Shanks would be called the worlds strongest swordsman if he won his duel with Mihawk. But he isn't. So he therefore didn't win.)

Shanks only uses a sword with Haki (much like Mihawk) Prove he doesn't and then your point MIGHT be relevant.

Mihawk fodderizing fodder doesnt mean anything. Zoro did a same thing to an arguably stronger crew right after the time skip
Neither does turning up to MF with an entire crew. So you think Zoro is now the strongest swordsman? Right...

A sharpshooter has to take into all the same skills as a swordsman and that was my point. The only thing would be physical strength which is the trade off to accuracy.
Because you totally need stamina,strength and speed to pull a trigger. Right? Physical strength is the joint main attribute of swordsmanship ; therefore (as you said) , with it being irrelevant , you just proved how your own example is illegit.

I know the logic you are using. Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so in swordsmanship he is stronger and/or more skilled than shanks, which i agree is true, but just because you classify them both as swordsmen doesnt mean anything in terms of overall strength...
You clearly don't know the logic I am using. My logic is : since Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is hailed as the strongest swordsman , it's evident that Mihawk is stronger, although by a tiny margin. It's not difficult to understand. And you have yet to prove or refute a single successful point aganst my logic.

I know Fujitora uses his blade, but what he does with his blade almost has not with his powers at all. He can literally have any other weapon with him and his power will not change
He uses his sword (at the heart of his combat style) , hence he is a swordsman (as it is the most important part of his combat style). He chose a sword. Clearly because he is skilled with one (especially if he had other choices of weaponry). Do you classify Law as a swordsman?

You see Roger similar to Luffy carrying his sword, even though every time we see roger (not captured), he is wielding a sword or carrying one on him. Now you are just guessing with roger with nothing to back it up.
You've been guessing with nothing to back your points up the whole time. He has been shown with a sword only once. You stand corrected.

I think rayleigh is not purely a swordsman because he has been shown more times in battle not using his sword. Like at marineford, he basically gave simple rifle bullets the destructive power of a cannon ball, he has shown that he can be very versatile without a weapon at all
He's been shown in battle once. He used a sword for the entirity of said battle. You stand corrected. And the power of the bullets is due to Haki (which is a supplement to all fighting styles , so now do you think anyone who can use Haki is not a swordsman?)

Even if you classify someone as a swordsman it doesnt mean that is the only thing they can do or are willing to fight with
But yet it changes nothing as this battle is (and should be) based categorically and not speculatively.
 

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Shanks lost his arm and is now considered handicap? by who? the people weaker than him? Fujitora is straight up blind and he is strong AF. WB had a gaping hole through his chest, and hundreds of other wounds, and was still taking out admirals and blackbeard. Though they may be "handicapped" it means nothing. I would say zoro's bad sense of direction is a bigger handicap than being blind or missing an arm
Shanks is considered handicap by mihawk, if you're blind like the fujitora is blind but have observation haki and there is where the compensation is, how can shanks compensate for his missing arm , he can't or have not yet . What he can do to compensate is install a mechanical arm and then he will no longer be a handicap
 

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Shanks is considered handicap by mihawk, if you're blind like the fujitora is blind but have observation haki and there is where the compensation is, how can shanks compensate for his missing arm , he can't or have not yet . What he can do to compensate is install a mechanical arm and then he will no longer be a handicap
He compensates in raw power, he has only gotten stronger since he lost his arm

You already lost.
I fail to see how for comical reasons ; Nami hitting the two is relevant.


Are you KIDDING ME?! HAKI IS THE EPITOME OF STRENGTH. I've proven to you multiple times that Shanks is a swordsman. Unlike such a point , you cannot prove either has superior Haki anwyays. But because of Mihawks allocated title (by the Gorousei and a built up reputation ; most probably when they all have knowledge of both characters power. Shanks would be called the worlds strongest swordsman if he won his duel with Mihawk. But he isn't. So he therefore didn't win.)

Shanks only uses a sword with Haki (much like Mihawk) Prove he doesn't and then your point MIGHT be relevant.


Neither does turning up to MF with an entire crew. So you think Zoro is now the strongest swordsman? Right...


Because you totally need stamina,strength and speed to pull a trigger. Right? Physical strength is the joint main attribute of swordsmanship ; therefore (as you said) , with it being irrelevant , you just proved how your own example is illegit.


You clearly don't know the logic I am using. My logic is : since Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is hailed as the strongest swordsman , it's evident that Mihawk is stronger, although by a tiny margin. It's not difficult to understand. And you have yet to prove or refute a single successful point aganst my logic.


He uses his sword (at the heart of his combat style) , hence he is a swordsman (as it is the most important part of his combat style). He chose a sword. Clearly because he is skilled with one (especially if he had other choices of weaponry). Do you classify Law as a swordsman?


You've been guessing with nothing to back your points up the whole time. He has been shown with a sword only once. You stand corrected.


He's been shown in battle once. He used a sword for the entirity of said battle. You stand corrected. And the power of the bullets is due to Haki (which is a supplement to all fighting styles , so now do you think anyone who can use Haki is not a swordsman?)


But yet it changes nothing as this battle is (and should be) based categorically and not speculatively.
Yes Shanks has only used a sword in combat, but the amount of times he has fought and the length of his fights doesnt prove that he is purely a swordsman. With all the stuff Mihawk has done as well as his hype, we can see that Mihawk is only a swordsman, a better swordsman than Shanks, so all that this proves is that Mihawk is a better swordsman than Shanks. It does not mean that Mihawk is overall stronger than shanks though. I have already explained my reasons to why i think shanks is stronger than mihawk based on their journey since the time they were on par many years ago

The whole point with zoro and mihawk fodderizing fodder was to say that your point of Mihawk beating Don Krieg's crew means nothing and is totally irrelevent. If zoro can do it to a stronger crew and is far below mihawk then defeating those crews are no real feats

Again I know what your logic is. <--- You see that, that is a Period, meaning what is after is not the same thought unless directly addressed. I acknowledged that i knew your logic, but the part after that wasnt explaining your logic because it would be pointless to explain your logic if both of us knew your logic already.

The difference between fujitora using his powers and Law using his own powers is very wide. Fujitora uses his sword to apply his powers and he is probably a swordsman, his swordsmanship has almost nothing to do with his DF ability, The sword is a good plus as he can extend his reach for certain abilities, but those abilities have nothing to do with swordsmanship. Law on the other hand needs his sword since even though it is not completely explain it seems like he needs to have his sword to cut what ever is in his room, so in this case swordsmanship is need to fully use his ablities and enhance them.

Roger has only been shown twice outside of captivity. Once with WB and once when he goes against shiki, we cant see if was carrying a sword when he was with WB but he does raise one against shiki. There is more proof that he is a swordsman than he isnt, Shanks is barely shown throughout the series and almost never raises his sword once or twice. There is more evidence saying that shanks is a swordsman than he isnt. In both cases they never really engage in full combat or almost any combat at all, so in both cases we cannot say that their skills are limited to swordsmanship.

In the One Piece world accuracy is not the only thing you need in being a sharp shooter, most projectiles in the series do not have much destructive power at all and are not rapid fire meaning a good sharpshooter would need the ability to accurately hit a target, probably use haki or some other means to effectively hurt the target, be fast enough to dodge their opponents attacks especially non sharpshooters and so on. The accuracy is the exchange for the strength like i already said.

Rayleigh has been shown fighting kizaru, then the marines at MF, then the beginning of the training with luffy. He fights with a sword against kizaru, uses haki abilities without a sword at the other two places. His strength with haki shows us that he is very skilled with applying haki to almost any form of combat even with the few scenes he does show his abilities

The whole point i am trying to push is that even though people fit into certain categories, such as a swordsman, it does not mean that the person who is the most skilled in that category is not the strongest person there. If WB decided to take up swordsmanship a year before he died, he could have been somewhat skilled in swordsmanship but not the best swordsman, but either way he would still be stronger than Mihawk, even if WB used a sword against him, WB still has other abilities and skills.

I think Shanks has the same thing going for him, he is not the greatest swordsman like mihawk but i think he is still stronger than mihawk
 
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He compensates in raw power, he has only gotten stronger since he lost his arm



Yes Shanks has only used a sword in combat, but the amount of times he has fought and the length of his fights doesnt prove that he is purely a swordsman. With all the stuff Mihawk has done as well as his hype, we can see that Mihawk is only a swordsman, a better swordsman than Shanks, so all that this proves is that Mihawk is a better swordsman than Shanks. It does not mean that Mihawk is overall stronger than shanks though. I have already explained my reasons to why i think shanks is stronger than mihawk based on their journey since the time they were on par many years ago

The whole point with zoro and mihawk fodderizing fodder was to say that your point of Mihawk beating Don Krieg's crew means nothing and is totally irrelevent. If zoro can do it to a stronger crew and is far below mihawk then defeating those crews are no real feats

Again I know what your logic is. <--- You see that, that is a Period, meaning what is after is not the same thought unless directly addressed. I acknowledged that i knew your logic, but the part after that wasnt explaining your logic because it would be pointless to explain your logic if both of us knew your logic already.

The difference between fujitora using his powers and Law using his own powers is very wide. Fujitora uses his sword to apply his powers and he is probably a swordsman, his swordsmanship has almost nothing to do with his DF ability, The sword is a good plus as he can extend his reach for certain abilities, but those abilities have nothing to do with swordsmanship. Law on the other hand needs his sword since even though it is not completely explain it seems like he needs to have his sword to cut what ever is in his room, so in this case swordsmanship is need to fully use his ablities and enhance them.

Roger has only been shown twice outside of captivity. Once with WB and once when he goes against shiki, we cant see if was carrying a sword when he was with WB but he does raise one against shiki. There is more proof that he is a swordsman than he isnt, Shanks is barely shown throughout the series and almost never raises his sword once or twice. There is more evidence saying that shanks is a swordsman than he isnt. In both cases they never really engage in full combat or almost any combat at all, so in both cases we cannot say that their skills are limited to swordsmanship.

In the One Piece world accuracy is not the only thing you need in being a sharp shooter, most projectiles in the series do not have much destructive power at all and are not rapid fire meaning a good sharpshooter would need the ability to accurately hit a target, probably use haki or some other means to effectively hurt the target, be fast enough to dodge their opponents attacks especially non sharpshooters and so on. The accuracy is the exchange for the strength like i already said.

Rayleigh has been shown fighting kizaru, then the marines at MF, then the beginning of the training with luffy. He fights with a sword against kizaru, uses haki abilities without a sword at the other two places. His strength with haki shows us that he is very skilled with applying haki to almost any form of combat even with the few scenes he does show his abilities

The whole point i am trying to push is that even though people fit into certain categories, such as a swordsman, it does not mean that the person who is the most skilled in that category is not the strongest person there. If WB decided to take up swordsmanship a year before he died, he could have been somewhat skilled in swordsmanship but not the best swordsman, but either way he would still be stronger than Mihawk, even if WB used a sword against him, WB still has other abilities and skills.

I think Shanks has the same thing going for him, he is not the greatest swordsman like mihawk but i think he is still stronger than mihawk
That is not compensation , the arm is still lost , I'm sure there is a df user that can grow back body parts somewhere in the op universe
No, just no.
How is it wrong , state your point
 

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How is he overrated , he has never lost and at the battle of marineford he was unscratched and he is known as the worlds greatest swordsman
He is overrated because people keep saying "he is yonko level" "he can solo an admiral", and now he can beat whitebeard?....lol?

When he attacked WB, WB did not even bother moving, and let one of his commanders deal with it.
 

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How is he overrated , he has never lost and at the battle of marineford he was unscratched and he is known as the worlds greatest swordsman
Tsuru was unscratched too. So she is above everyone, or what? Mihawk didn't fight against one strong guy at the marineford. Garp,Sengoku,Kizaru,Aokiji,Akainu and Whitebeard are way above Mihawk. The worlds greatest swordsman has nothing to say in a world with DFs. The only strong thing about Mihawk is his blade. And even that can't do anything to whitebeard,akainu,....
All of them are stronger and most of them are faster than Mihawk.
 

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That is not compensation , the arm is still lost , I'm sure there is a df user that can grow back body parts somewhere in the op universe
In terms of combat ability it is compensation, Shanks is Yonko and he only needs one arm to do that, it doesnt seem like having his other arm would make that much of a difference.
 

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Tsuru was unscratched too. So she is above everyone, or what? Mihawk didn't fight against one strong guy at the marineford. Garp,Sengoku,Kizaru,Aokiji,Akainu and Whitebeard are way above Mihawk. The worlds greatest swordsman has nothing to say in a world with DFs. The only strong thing about Mihawk is his blade. And even that can't do anything to whitebeard,akainu,....
All of them are stronger and most of them are faster than Mihawk.
Yet Shanks making everyone his b*tch in the New-World. Yeah Shanks is more of a haki user than a swordsmen but Mihawk could be talented in haki too. (Not on Shank's level but possibly as good as Rayleigh)
 

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He is overrated because people keep saying "he is yonko level" "he can solo an admiral", and now he can beat whitebeard?....lol?

When he attacked WB, WB did not even bother moving, and let one of his commanders deal with it.
Are you insinuating that one of white beard's lackeys can defeat him
Tsuru was unscratched too. So she is above everyone, or what? Mihawk didn't fight against one strong guy at the marineford. Garp,Sengoku,Kizaru,Aokiji,Akainu and Whitebeard are way above Mihawk. The worlds greatest swordsman has nothing to say in a world with DFs. The only strong thing about Mihawk is his blade. And even that can't do anything to whitebeard,akainu,....
All of them are stronger and most of them are faster than Mihawk.
What manga did you read , zoro fought many strong opponents such as Mr 1 and vista , mihawk also defeated Mr 1 with 1 slash , I won't mention that he sent jimbie flying because this only happened in the anime and not in the manga , so his swords can defeat devil fruit users ok
In terms of combat ability it is compensation, Shanks is Yonko and he only needs one arm to do that, it doesnt seem like having his other arm would make that much of a difference.
Yet Shanks making everyone his b*tch in the New-World. Yeah Shanks is more of a haki user than a swordsmen but Mihawk could be talented in haki too. (Not on Shank's level but possibly as good as Rayleigh)
If and attack is coming from multiple sides , how will shanks block simultaneous attacks, the other hand makes a difference
 

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Ever heard of observation haki?
Rebecca has this type of haki and she was defeated by Luffy while he was eating
I think you should just stop....this guy doesn't seem to understand what it means to be the strongest
To me the strongest is the one that survive the battle and conquers his enemies , it seems we have different interpretation of what the strongest means , because white beard had more physical strength than others and a powerful devil fruit power that doesn't make him the strongest . Mihawk has no df powers and he defeat df users like they are trash , skills and finesse can lead to you becoming the strongest if no one can defeat you , for example the undefeatable mihawk
 

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Rebecca has this type of haki and she was defeated by Luffy while he was eating

To me the strongest is the one that survive the battle and conquers his enemies , it seems we have different interpretation of what the strongest means , because white beard had more physical strength than others and a powerful devil fruit power that doesn't make him the strongest . Mihawk has no df powers and he defeat df users like they are trash , skills and finesse can lead to you becoming the strongest if no one can defeat you , for example the undefeatable mihawk
Well that's a good analogy....Rebecca is to luffy as mihawk is to whitebeard

Survives the battle??? Conquers the enemies???
Thats what whitebeard did
 

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In no way way can Mihawk defeat Whitebeard. He couldn't defeat Shanks and shanks fought on par with Whitebeard so Muhawk can't win in any situation plus the statement on page one you can't defeat a man who dies standing with two holes in his chest
 

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In no way way can Mihawk defeat Whitebeard. He couldn't defeat Shanks and shanks fought on par with Whitebeard so Muhawk can't win in any situation plus the statement on page one you can't defeat a man who dies standing with two holes in his chest
Well he was defeated:p

Ok anyway so Shanks and Mihawk dont have a DF but look at how powerful they are. Makes me wonder how strong WB would be without his DF, wouldnt be able to take out alot of enemies in one hit unless he used haki.
 
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