Might Guy and the eight gates

[LEAU92]

Well I am almost 100 percent positive that nowhere in the manga does it say that each gate increases the user's power by a factor of 10. That is ludicrous and sounds sort of like DBZ.

First off I will explain what the gates are and how they work. In the Narutoverse, ninjas use chakra for everything. They use it for taijutsu as well as ninjutsu and genjutsu, chakra is basically their version of DBZ's ki.

So ninjas have all of this chakra in their bodies, but to prevent them from using it all at once there are eight gates that limit chakra flow and strength to the muscles to prevent chakra exhaustion and the body wearing itself out.

What the gates do is release a gate on your chakra, allowing you access to more of your maximum potential chakra and strength (speed goes along with this as it is directly related to leg strength). So with each gate opened you have access to more of your maximum chakra, the gates does not increase the amount of chakra you have nor does it give you speed boosts like the raiton armor or sage mode, what it does instead is allows you to access your highest potential strength (and speed) and chakra output.

This however comes at a cost, with all of the chakra the ninja in the gates is using they become tired and lose chakra at a much higher rate. Also because their muscles are working so hard and at levels they don't normally the mucles start to tear and wear down. This is why Guy is always tired after using the gates and usually in pain depending on which gate he has opened, this is why he and Lee train purely in taijutsu and muscle strength, so that they can reduce the muscle wear and tear caused by the gates.

So now that we know what the gates are and what they do, let's get into why they could never be the best while used by someone who is not already the best.

Because the gates only allows the user to reach their maximum potential power and chakra levels, the gates user will always fall behind someone who was born with more chakra or has access to different modes that augment their own chakra. (Sage mode, Kyuubi chakra mode, raiton armor) Now this doesn't mean that those people are necessarily faster and stronger, it just depends on how much chakra they are putting into it, but it does mean that if those people are able to surpass the gates user.

My argument here is that you think Guy opening the eighth gate would become the strongest ninja in the Narutoverse, well that is literally an impossibility. He either doesn't have the chakra reserves or the chakra control necessary to push his strength and speed to levels given to people with bijuu level chakra levels.

As we saw in the fight against Kisame, Guy had to go seventh gate just to catch up to Kisame who was running away, and even then his attacks didn't even knock out Kisame let alone kill him. Kisame didn't move because he thought that his shark bullet would absorb Afternoon Tiger, so it was really Kisame's overconfidence that beat him. Guy's movements were still able to be seen, and his strength wasn't super tremendous as he smashed Kisame's body but Kisame was still conscious and later able to perform summonings and a water prison.

Back to the point, Guy and Lee can train their speed and strength, but you can only increase your chakra levels to a certain point, for the most part you are stuck with what you were born with.

So when A who also trains his speed and strength solely, uses his raiton armor there is almost no way that Guy can reach the speeds that A can, because a has bijuu like chakra levels. Maybe his strength is equal or above A's, because I am not sure if lightning armor increases strength or not, but either way he can't be as fast as him.

And as for Naruto and other jinchurriki, if you compare Guy using the gates to them, then that is just insane. What that is doing is saying that Guy's maximum strength and chakra levels is equal to or exceeds that of a bijuu and their jinchurriki's. Naruto's speed whilst using his KM mode is perhaps the fastest that anyone can get, except for Naruto who still has the means to go much faster as he has Sage Mode as well and does not have full access to the Kyuubi's chakra. (By the way can anyone imagine Naruto if he combined KM and SM and then used the gates? He has a high healing rate and near infinite chakra, so that would allow him 100% access to all the chakra he has, man that would be insane)

And I thought I read somewhere in this thread that the gates aren't used that often. Well that would also be incorrect as in either the first or second databook (made by Kishi so it is canon) it says that most jounin can open at least the first two gates. Kakashi used the first gate when climbing a rock wall, so in other words just for fun basically. The gates aren't something super rare and ultra powerful like being a jinchurriki or raiton armor, it is just that Guy and Lee have made it their focus so they have taken it further than most other people.

And to the people who say that it give powers equal or above that of a kage, what does that mean? What makes kages special? Usually it is their unique abilities that make them powerful, something the gates can't give someone. Most kages are faster and stronger than normal ninjas, but that is due to their high chakra levels (I defy you to find a kage who does not have high chakra levels), so that quote only applies to the physical aspect of being a kage. While a gates user who opened the eighth gate might become stronger and faster than most kages, they don't gain the special abilities of a kage and so can only reach their levels in regards to taijutsu but nothing else.

And before I go here is another example of the difference between the gates and someone born strong with high chakra levels. Guy has fought Kisame three times, and the second time Guy was forced to open the fifth gate to be able to fight on par with Kisame. But what do we know about that fight? It was a 30% chakra clone who didn't actually have the real Samehada. And Guy in the seventh gate was still not able to easily kill Kisame, who was taken by surprise and already weakened from before. If used by an average person the gates only puts people on par with exceptional people.


EDIT: to the Lord of Kaos, the third raikage would be able to withstand much more than a few hits from Guy's jutsus. That is if Guy is even able to perform more than one or two, he was exhausted after just running after Kisame and using Afternoon tiger once. The third raikage on the other hand survived the rasenshuriken, and more importantly is able to tank the TBB (as of now the most powerful attack there is), and we don't even know how many the third raikage took from the eight tails.

I think we know how the 8 gates work, a bit too long dont you think ?

p.s: As soon as guy opened the 5th gate on kisame, kisame got owned big time (there second fight at the start of the shipuuden series)

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

dude your soooo clueless. lord of chaos trains rp fighters on 8 gates. he wouldnt be a teacher if he didnt know what and how they work. :flaw::flaw: yeah double flaw!

He obviously doesn't understand because he thought that the gates were like Goku's kaio ken technique which just multiplies the user's power. The gates isn't like that at all. So don't come throwing that bullshit at me because I know more about Naruto than any of you.

RP is made up stuff that is purely on Narutobase, do you think that stuff has any bearing on the manga? Get out of here with that idiocy.

Once one of you posts something that isn't garbage then we can talk. All you kids can do is insult me instead of trying to debate my points.

The best one of you can do is say that when Guy went into the fifth gate in their second fight, Guy won fairly quickly. Well guess what? That was a 30% fake Kisame who did not have the real Samehada. So yeah that proves my point that Guy needed to go to the fifth gate just to beat a 30% fake Kisame, and the gates isn't as OP as you fanboys seem to think.

 

[Hammy120290]

He obviously doesn't understand because he thought that the gates were like Goku's kaio ken technique which just multiplies the user's power. The gates isn't like that at all. So don't come throwing that bullshit at me because I know more about Naruto than any of you.

RP is made up stuff that is purely on Narutobase, do you think that stuff has any bearing on the manga? Get out of here with that idiocy.

Once one of you posts something that isn't garbage then we can talk. All you kids can do is insult me instead of trying to debate my points.

The best one of you can do is say that when Guy went into the fifth gate in their second fight, Guy won fairly quickly. Well guess what? That was a 30% fake Kisame who did not have the real Samehada. So yeah that proves my point that Guy needed to go to the fifth gate just to beat a 30% fake Kisame, and the gates isn't as OP as you fanboys seem to think.

Sorry who is sounding like a kid?

I don't see the point in debating with you since the thread is about Guy and his power of the 8 gates and if he will open all of them.

Not on how they work.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Sorry who is sounding like a kid?

I don't see the point in debating with you since the thread is about Guy and his power of the 8 gates and if he will open all of them.

Not on how they work.

My points were that the gates are not as powerful as you people seem to think. I made that point earlier but no one wanted to respond to that part.

The whole explanation of the gates was to prove why Guy could never be as powerful as Naruto or Bee, or A.

And I made that post in direct response to the thread creator who said he though Guy would be the most powerful ninja ever when he opened the eighth gate.

 

[Hammy120290]

My points were that the gates are not as powerful as you people seem to think. I made that point earlier but no one wanted to respond to that part.

The whole explanation of the gates was to prove why Guy could never be as powerful as Naruto or Bee, or A.

And I made that post in direct response to the thread creator who said he though Guy would be the most powerful ninja ever when he opened the eighth gate.

Well I never thought that. I just look forward to when it happens.

Guy 7th gate > Kisame but <Kirabi/Naruto/Madara/Itachi etc etc

So logically anyone Kisame would beat Guy = stronger anyone who your unsure about Guy...might be able to.

Anyway just a note: you come across very patronising and are probably the type who thinks his theories etc are the best and nobody can disprove you. Your explanations are also too long and you repeat yourself too much and go back to the same point several times just articulated differently.

I am no kid and you need to calm the fck down.

 

[~Yubel~]

People saying guy had to use 7 gate to beat kisame don´t realize what a monster kisame is.
He didn´t have samehada when gai fought him and he was weakened.
I´m sure guy could beat the raikage if he went 7 gates.
Their speed would be around equal.

 

[Uchiha seeker]

he will own in the war if he used eight gates

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

Gai is a very formidable shinobi that is often underrated. The eight gates in my opinion is a very strong type of technique that puts incredible strain on the user's body. By opening the Gate Of Death it is likely he will die. I don't think anyone else in the universe has opened the Eighth gate. I think that 7 gates is enough. It's enough to kill an akatsuki member, Kisame, who is also known as the tailless biju. As long as guy doesn't use the Seventh gate too often he will be fine. Though I think that when he is older and weaker(maybe, we don't know about him) and if another great battle comes he will put the Eighth gate to use and we will finally see the power of it.

 

[damoney8888]

its good but u have to remember it takes to much energy out of u

 

[Sasori of the six paths]

i think that he will die using the eighth gate before the series ends...theres no doubt he will die and if its with the gate it will be like the most epic death ever

 

[Yusof]

might guy will be powerfull ninja

 

[JiraiyaTheToad Sage]

So you think that by gaining powers equivalent to a kage he would become as indestructible as the 3rd raikage?

The gates are overrated soooooo much. I will post why later, for now I am going to sleep.

And it didn't say the powers would be equivalent to that of a kage, but to have powers greater than a kage.

 

[Mr PLATINUM]

He obviously doesn't understand because he thought that the gates were like Goku's kaio ken technique which just multiplies the user's power. The gates isn't like that at all. So don't come throwing that bullshit at me because I know more about Naruto than any of you.

RP is made up stuff that is purely on Narutobase, do you think that stuff has any bearing on the manga? Get out of here with that idiocy.

Once one of you posts something that isn't garbage then we can talk. All you kids can do is insult me instead of trying to debate my points.

The best one of you can do is say that when Guy went into the fifth gate in their second fight, Guy won fairly quickly. Well guess what? That was a 30% fake Kisame who did not have the real Samehada. So yeah that proves my point that Guy needed to go to the fifth gate just to beat a 30% fake Kisame, and the gates isn't as OP as you fanboys seem to think.

guy says 10 fold in each gate opened. thats evidence in the manga. if you want to see it i can link you where. and who you calling kids? you make yourself sound as if age is superior. please dont make me laugh, you dont even know how old i am O_O.

although kisame never had samahada, hes a suiton user and had the field advantage. but it wasnt enough for guy.

 

[LEAU92]

My points were that the gates are not as powerful as you people seem to think. I made that point earlier but no one wanted to respond to that part.

The whole explanation of the gates was to prove why Guy could never be as powerful as Naruto or Bee, or A.

And I made that post in direct response to the thread creator who said he though Guy would be the most powerful ninja ever when he opened the eighth gate.

First of all, i never stated that he would be the most powerful shinobi, i asked if he would be. If i had stated that then i would go on about how guy is amazing and sound like a fanboy (which i would never do). But don't underestimate the power of the 8 gates, if the daytime tiger sent a massive shockwave that blew through the entire turtle island, then i'm pretty convinced that guy is extremely powerful.

and it was stated that opening each gate increases your own power ten fold, kakashi was even disappointed that guy taught lee how to open the gates, due to it's dangers on the user.

 

[datninjaitachi]

i think that guy is going to use it last minute type thing, when lee is hurt and the rest of the team needs his help. So he's going to use the 8 gates but he wont die..he'll be like the first shinobi to ever live afterwards just show show how godly he is. He's gonna be like that one guy in every movie that just doesnt die lol..oh wait or he'll save kakashi in the future or something?

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Kakashi said " one can gain power greater than Hokage by opening the 8th gate. But it will cost his life". Its self explanatory.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

But to open the gates & get your muscles and ligaments torn each time, idk how much time he can last by using celestial 8 gates...

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Out of all the techniques mentioned in this forum, i feel that the eight gates is one of the most powerful but most underlooked techniques in the narutoverse.

But lets get to the topic at hand

I wanted to know if guy would ever open the gate of death, he has already opened all the gates up to the gate of wonder (which we saw the strongest taijutsu attack so far, the Daytime Tiger) and his power was so great that he absolutely dominated kisame, and kisame had no choice but to marvel in his power. If this is the power from the 7th gate, what would we see from the 8th gate ? Naruto wiki quotes that the gates grant you power greater than a kage, would that mean he would be stronger than.... ohh idk, the 3rd raikage.

So what do you think ?
Will Guy become the ultimate shinobi ?

P.S: kindr sad that once he uses the 8th gate, he dies shortly after

I thought that against kisame he wud but he didn't but i still think he wud one day. Although I think he will be much faster than even the 3rd Raikage I don't believe he will still be stronger becuz well the 3rd has much more chakra and durability.

 

[UchihaObito]

it's your opinion man, but yes, please do explain, rest up so you can write a long explanation.

You do realize that opening the 8th gate kills him right?

 

[LEAU92]

You do realize that opening the 8th gate kills him right?

yeah but theres a whole lot of ass whooping before that part, and yes i am very well aware that he will die, it's been said so many times throughout this thread.

try not to think so negatively and look at the bright side of this technique lol