[VS] Mei VS Sakura

[Nattana]

He's just that good. Anyway jokes aside, the

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says nothing about releasing the chakra.

You are aware of the fact that just because VIZ has slightly different translation doesn't mean that other ones are wrong? Since Japanese is a 'fluid' language, you can translate sentences in different ways. In the scan I posted, there is 'chakra release' mentioned, while in VIZ you have words: RAPIDLY manipulates, INSTANTLY concentrates.

If CES was just enhanced strength, such description wouldn't be necessary.

 

[Icelerate]

You are aware of the fact that just because VIZ has slightly different translation doesn't mean that other ones are wrong? Since Japanese is a 'fluid' language, you can translate sentences in different ways. In the scan I posted, there is 'chakra release' mentioned, while in VIZ you have words: RAPIDLY manipulates, INSTANTLY concentrates.

If CES was just enhanced strength, such description wouldn't be necessary.

Sakura's Okashu 3rd Databook entry also doesn't mention anything about chakra enhanced explosion. I think it is best to ask a translator what exactly is being implied by that page you posted.

 

[KidGamer65]

I think Mei can attempt to stop Sakura's approach with her various suiton attacks. Sure they may not do much but they could send Sakura flying away and knock her off her feet allowing Mei to dowse her with youton without Sakura being able to dodge.


When did Mei control her water dragon with her hands?

Suiton will create a larger distance between Mei and Sakura and her Lava isn't a long range technique nor has it shown any kind of superb speed, so Sakura would most likely bounce back from the Suiton (which as you mentioned can't do much damage) and and then dodge the Suiton and continue her advance. Sakura w/ a powerful enough strike to the ground doesn't need to be anywhere near Mei's immediate location to do damage meanwhile Mei has to land Lava to win.

You are aware of the fact that just because VIZ has slightly different translation doesn't mean that other ones are wrong? Since Japanese is a 'fluid' language, you can translate sentences in different ways. In the scan I posted, there is 'chakra release' mentioned, while in VIZ you have words: RAPIDLY manipulates, INSTANTLY concentrates.

If CES was just enhanced strength, such description wouldn't be necessary.

Lmao. The bold is an excuse. A weak one at that because you have no evidence whatsoever that supports that scan being more or just as accurate as the VIZ. Meanwhile there is a VIZ scan that says nothing about releasing chakra and there are all the DB entries of Tsunade and Sakura's jutsu where it just says "chakra is gathered" and then we have the fact that "gathering and releasing" mechanic doesn't work with lifting, which is how Tsunade lifted Gamabunta's Tanto.


The underlined just doesn't make sense.

 

[NarutoX28]

The only thing I agree with Nattana about is that CES isn't proportional to the user's base physical strength, but the rest I disagree with. If it truly was a chakra explosion, then as KidGamer mentioned, lifting would not be amenable to CES. I'm not sure how that would make sense to begin with.

 

[Zexion~]

If that is all it does than this makes it even easier lol punch water Ice please tell me what happens, if no chakra is actually connecting with the suiton its just a punch against water which doesn't halt it but go through it.

 

[BLAZE]

I wasn't talking about lava nor did I say any of Mei's ninjutsu can instantly melt Sakura. I agree Byakogou can counter acid mist but my point is I don't think Sakura can do much while being under such duress much like Sasuke could never go on the offensive.

lmao my bad
well sasuke couldn't go offensive becoz lack of chakra imo.when he tried to go to v2 he failed becoz of lack of chakra [

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[Zexion~]

The only thing I agree with Nattana about is that CES isn't proportional to the user's base physical strength, but the rest I disagree with. If it truly was a chakra explosion, then as KidGamer mentioned, lifting would not be amenable to CES. I'm not sure how that would make sense to begin with.

This was an argument Tsunade fans made in the first place so lol its worse off without the chakra explosion tbh.

 

[Icelerate]

Suiton will create a larger distance between Mei and Sakura and her Lava isn't a long range technique nor has it shown any kind of superb speed, so Sakura would most likely bounce back from the Suiton (which as you mentioned can't do much damage) and and then dodge the Suiton and continue her advance. Sakura w/ a powerful enough strike to the ground doesn't need to be anywhere near Mei's immediate location to do damage meanwhile Mei has to land Lava to win.

Suiton doesn't need to be fired at a horizontal, which would be the only way to create distance between them. Even still, Mei can use shunshin to follow Sakura in mid motion much like in these cases (

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Anyway, my premise has Mei launch her mid air via water pillar (Suiton: Suijinchuu). If Sakura is hit with it, she isn't going to immediately recover her footing much

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) where she even had a prior warning to what was going on, which allows Mei to hit her even when Sakura's on the ground, if Mei, for whatever reason, is not fast enough. Furthermore, the

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to either propel Sakura further into the air or smash her towards the ground near Mei where Mei can go on to coat Sakura in lava.

From underground a violent solid pillar of water explodes forth. In an instant hell fire is erase. Godaime Mizukage Mei Terumi activated this jutsu to perfectly block Madara's Katon Jutsu.

Overall Mei can easily stop Sakura's only two ways of attacking, getting close or punching the ground. On the other hand, Sakura can't stop Mei from overwhelming her with suiton and then dowsing her with youton.

Also don't forget the intel advantage. Once Mei sees Sakura in Byakogou mode, she'll assume Sakura has a similar way of fighting as Tsunade whereas Sakura won't know Mei's ninjutsu arsenal.

 

[Icelerate]

Wow that's ****ing crazy, it's completely different quote. smh, it's no wonder they're so many (including myself) people who don't know what they're talking about and it's partly because of these ****ed up translations. The store chakra then release at once is even in the dub and likely the sub as well. lol maybe it's retconned/revised like alot of statements were back in pts-early shippuden.

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Maybe Nattana is right after all. We'll have to take this up with a translator.

This was an argument Tsunade fans made in the first place so lol its worse off without the chakra explosion tbh.

What is worse off without the chakra explosion?

 

[BLAZE]

He's just that good. Anyway jokes aside, the

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says nothing about releasing the chakra.


When Mei uses water pillar, Sakura will be launched into the air and the water will be beneath her. Though on second thought, when Mei forms the water dragon right beneath her, its mouth will be wide open so Sakura can't punch it before getting trapped inside. After that, Sakura becomes her play thing.

Damn I always thought it was chakra explosion but going back and reading chp 164 it seems like KG is spot on

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

One question what manga feats suggests that shock wave can remove acid mist ?

 

[Zexion~]

Maybe Nattana is right after all. We'll have to take this up with a translator.


What is worse off without the chakra explosion?

The exploits of CES

The VIZ still states that a rush of chakra goes to the fist and that it takes control....

 

[V h o]

Suiton will create a larger distance between Mei and Sakura and her Lava isn't a long range technique nor has it shown any kind of superb speed, so Sakura would most likely bounce back from the Suiton (which as you mentioned can't do much damage) and and then dodge the Suiton and continue her advance. Sakura w/ a powerful enough strike to the ground doesn't need to be anywhere near Mei's immediate location to do damage meanwhile Mei has to land Lava to win.



Lmao. The bold is an excuse. A weak one at that because you have no evidence whatsoever that supports that scan being more or just as accurate as the VIZ. Meanwhile there is a VIZ scan that says nothing about releasing chakra and there are all the DB entries of Tsunade and Sakura's jutsu where it just says "chakra is gathered" and then we have the fact that "gathering and releasing" mechanic doesn't work with lifting, which is how Tsunade lifted Gamabunta's Tanto.


The underlined just doesn't make sense.

I thought tsunade lifted the sword due to her natural strength, not CES. What shows she used CES?

 

[BLAZE]

I thought tsunade lifted the sword due to her natural strength, not CES. What shows she used CES?

Databook 2

Konoha Thousand Leaves Collection #24

It would seem Tsunade's "outrageous strength" completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.

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-Here's to a painful and bitter end! Such is Tsunade-hime's insane, "Legendary", power!!

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-One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta's huge dosu** with absurd ease...?!

-The kind of might that opens craters into the ground in one blow!!

 

[Tyrannus]

You learn something new everyday.

 

[Icelerate]

lmao my bad
well sasuke couldn't go offensive becoz lack of chakra imo.when he tried to go to v2 he failed becoz of lack of chakra [

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Okay I'll concede. Do you think Sakura beats Mei though?

The exploits of CES

The VIZ still states that a rush of chakra goes to the fist and that it takes control....

Actually now that we know that CES is used as opposed to chakra explosions, that means Sakura is physically extremely strong so this is actually better and I don't remember any useful exploits for chakra explosion. If anything people used to argue it gets absorbed by preta path.

 

[Nattana]

Okay I'll concede. Do you think Sakura beats Mei though?

Actually now that we know that CES is used as opposed to chakra explosions, that means Sakura is physically extremely strong so this is actually better and I don't remember any useful exploits for chakra explosion. If anything people used to argue it gets absorbed by preta path.

Was that Databook translation about CES or Tsunade in general? Because below you have reference to lifting Gamabunta's sword and Tsunade stopping Naruto with 1 finger. Do you really believe that Tsunade with her enormous base strength needed to use CES to stop Naruto? I don't think so. Base Gai could break through walls and his body is nothing special, just strong through training. Not 100% power Tobirama cracked walls by just touching them.

We still have a few translations saying it was chakra release, VIZ saying she rapidly manipulates and instantly concentrates, anime dub and sub saying it's chakra release (thanks Amenotejikara), Databook which doesn't even specify if Tsunade used CES or her pure strength and 0 manga evidence of Sakura using CES to do things that require continuous and maintained chakra supply.

But honestly, in this case it doesn't even matter. CES won't increase mass of her arm nor its swinging velocity. At best she can create some fluctuations if she's inside of Suiton and pretty much nothing against frontal Water Dragon because her attacks lack speed and her fist lacks area to make use of conservation of momentum.

 

[Hakke]

I would say Sakura wins , I mean

Sakura can just punch a Water Bullet or even Water Dragon Bullet , or she can react to it , so it is useless against her

the Lava can be evaded , and the Mist can be dispersed with Cherry blossom impact

but there is one problem , and that is water formation pillar , which I think that Sakura can break through it , if she just dashed with a punch ,

so I would say Sakura high def

but I think that Mei still has a chance if she used water pillar for defense , and the moment that Sakura break the water pillar , the moment that Mei spits the Lava or the Acidic mist

so it could be either Mei or Sakura , high def

 

[Hakke]

One question what manga feats suggests that shock wave can remove acid mist ?

this one... I guess

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I am not very sure if it could remove it completely though. but I think it would dispersed for a while giving the chance for Sakura to engage ,

but I think that Mei still has a chance if she used water pillar for defense , and the moment that Sakura break the water pillar , the moment that Mei spits the Lava or the Acidic mist

 

[BLAZE]

Okay I'll concede. Do you think Sakura beats Mei though?

depends on the fact that can sakura get out of suiton via superstrength if she gets trapped becoz as you said she has zero knowledge about mei's ninjutsu so i can see her getting caught in her large scale suitons
i do remember base gai's punch being ineffective on water prison against kisame but its not good comparision