[VS] Marco V Sabo

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No. In a verse where fights go days, this one was a one sided beatdown of what? 10 mins or so?
This alone shows your how narrow your mind is when determine the difficulty. It doesn't matter if it's one-sided, what matters is how much from Sabo does it take to defeat Burgess. If it takes more than a few hits while Sabo is half-trying, then it is by default higher than low diff.

You have a shitty scale. But in the grand scheme of things we all know how the fight went, what you would call a mid diff to match your shitty definition, others call the same thing low diff.
I have a shitty scale, and yet your scale says that if one character takes an entire week to defeat another, it's low-diff as long as they aren't hurt in any way.
 

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Yes it does. Burgess being able to withstand Sabo's attacks means that Sabo can't leisurely defeat him as he would just keep on tanking the attacks and keep going.
No being able to take one or tow attacks when he wasn't serious doesn't mean Sabo needs to exert himsef, Burgess wasn't even flat out tanking them he was just a pucnhing bag. You said he woudl contiue to take them which isn't true.
 

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This alone shows your how narrow your mind is when determine the difficulty. It doesn't matter if it's one-sided, what matters is how much from Sabo does it take to defeat Burgess. If it takes more than a few hits while Sabo is half-trying, then it is by default higher than low diff.


I have a shitty scale, and yet your scale says that if one character takes an entire week to defeat another, it's low-diff as long as they aren't hurt in any way.
This alone shows you lack reading comprehension. I was talking about two factors here.

1.one sided beatdown
2.10mins
 

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The first one doesn't matter when it takes Sabo 10 mins of at least half-serious effort to render Burgess incapable of continuing battle. Low diff is one or two moves with minimal attention.
Yea according to your scale. For me for a one sided beatdown to push past low diff it would need to be at least a few hours long. If it takes the strongest attacks to take the opponent down then the difficulty might climb, but if its only half trying for that long then that's all.
 

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Yea according to your scale. For me for a one sided beatdown to push past low diff it would need to be at least a few hours long. If it takes the strongest attacks to take the opponent down then the difficulty might climb, but if its only half trying for that long then that's all.
Hence why your scale is retarded. If Sabo takes ten years to push Burgess to the point of defeat, but receives not a single scratch, it's low-diff, right?
 

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A few hours? Luffy and Doflamingo virtually ended at 50 mins for extreme diff, and that's them clobbering each other. But it needs to be hours where only one person is exerting themselves for it to MAYBE be higher than low diff? Weak.
A few hours of half assing and the opponent unable to tank anything, dodge anything, taking constant damage from every attack thrown. Where the only reason the fight is still going on is because the one doing the asswhooping hasn't fully committed himself to the fight? In a verse where people can fight multiple days nonstop? Yeah.
 

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Hence why your scale is retarded. If Sabo takes ten years to push Burgess to the point of defeat, but receives not a single scratch, it's low-diff, right?
What makes you think Marco will do much difference? He may have one of the best defences but he hasn't shown any major offence skill. Unlike Sabo who shit stomped Burgess with his Haki.
 

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No he didn't. Burgess couldn't hurt Sabo, but he had the endurance/durability to withstand Sabo's attacks for a while. Sabo needed to put in effort to injure Burgess as much as he did.

OT: I'm leaning towards Marco extreme diff.
Sabo was testing a DF. You saw in the collesium he farted on Burgess when using his own abilities. He also tested it against Issho.
 

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Marineford. Both no intel on one another.



points: Marco was a beast and could Hinder Akainu and fought equally to Kizaru(we don't know if Kizaru was joking or not)

Sabo's Haki seems beast to me. He fodderised Bastille. He fought equally with Ishho(maybe he was playing around too)
They showed in MF the ONLY way you can beat Marco is to stop his DF, that means no haki wins. Seastone or BB's Fruit are required to beat Marco. As long as his DF is active he will heal.
 

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A few hours? Luffy and Doflamingo virtually ended at 50 mins for extreme diff, and that's them clobbering each other. But it needs to be hours where only one person is exerting themselves for it to MAYBE be higher than low diff? Weak.
If Luffy/Doffy took 50 mins then there's no way Sabo took hours with Burgess. Hours is being generous to Burgess in the estimation seeing as Sabo/Burgess started after Luffy/Doffy and ended before Luffy/Doffy. So if L/D is 50 minutes S/B was 30mins or under realistically. Then again this is a work of fiction so realistically gets thrown out of the ****** window.

A 50 minute fight where each lands 100 punches and the winner is the one who gets the 101st punch is high/extreme(whichever word you see fit), a 50 minute fight where one guy hits 25-30 punches and the other guy hits none 1-3 being generous is not a high/extreme diff fight those are not the same thing. You talk about people only focusing on damage for diff ratings yet you put way too much emphasis on time to finish and use real world metrics to measure fight time. Luffy's fight was a higher diff. because of the amount of effort he had to put for the win and the damage he took getting there and the length of the fight, IF Sabo's fight was as long it's still a lower diff. because he used less effort and took less damage.
 

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If Luffy/Doffy took 50 mins then there's no way Sabo took hours with Burgess. Hours is being generous to Burgess in the estimation seeing as Sabo/Burgess started after Luffy/Doffy and ended before Luffy/Doffy. So if L/D is 50 minutes S/B was 30mins or under realistically. Then again this is a work of fiction so realistically gets thrown out of the ****** window.
I didn't say Sabo vs Burgess took hours.

A 50 minute fight where each lands 100 punches and the winner is the one who gets the 101st punch is high/extreme(whichever word you see fit), a 50 minute fight where one guy hits 25-30 punches and the other guy hits none 1-3 being generous is not a high/extreme diff fight those are not the same thing. You talk about people only focusing on damage for diff ratings yet you put way too much emphasis on time to finish and use real world metrics to measure fight time. Luffy's fight was a higher diff. because of the amount of effort he had to put for the win and the damage he took getting there and the length of the fight, IF Sabo's fight was as long it's still a lower diff. because he used less effort and took less damage.
It's not about time either. A person can purposefully stand there for three days, then knock their opponent once, and knock them out. It's the fact that Sabo was continuously attacking Burgess during this period of time that matters.

Btw, I don't know why you're telling me that Sabo's fight is a lower diff when I myself said that from the beginning.
 

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I didn't say Sabo vs Burgess took hours.

It's not about time either. A person can purposefully stand there for three days, then knock their opponent once, and knock them out. It's the fact that Sabo was continuously attacking Burgess during this period of time that matters.

Btw, I don't know why you're telling me that Sabo's fight is a lower diff when I myself said that from the beginning.
Because I started the convo from here:
A few hours? Luffy and Doflamingo virtually ended at 50 mins for extreme diff, and that's them clobbering each other. But it needs to be hours where only one person is exerting themselves for it to MAYBE be higher than low diff? Weak.
I brought up the Sabo diff. because it sounded like you were implying Sabo's fight should be around Luffy's fight on a diff. scale.

As for Sabo attacking, the manga only showed 2 attacks before the off paneling so it's left to us to fill in the off screen events. You've seemingly filled that with more fighting but who's to say how long it took Burgess to get up after each hit. In fact it seems like you are adding scenes. The first hit pushed him back when he attacked Luffy,
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the second attack sent him flying halfway across the town,
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The second attack comes after Burgess throws one of his only 2 attacks the entire shown fight and shows him sent flying, then they're gone.
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The next time we see them and the logical result of the 2nd attack, Sabo is standing un-tired and unharmed over a beaten and defeated Burgess. With that we have no reason to think other than that's where Burgess landed from the 2nd attack.
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When we do come back to them Burgess gets one more half an attack in and Sabo wrecks him with the 3rd shown hit of the fight.
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So to recap Burgess never landed a single hit, the only damage Sabo received was from the arena that's why there's scuff marks prior to the fight starting, we were only shown 3 hits from Sabo, Burgess was never shown to be putting up any resistance only taking hits. It's your interpretation of the off panel time that says Sabo was constantly beating Burgess to try and get him to stay down when the pictures imply the opposite.

Sorry for delayed response, doing this at work takes some time.
 
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They showed in MF the ONLY way you can beat Marco is to stop his DF, that means no haki wins. Seastone or BB's Fruit are required to beat Marco. As long as his DF is active he will heal.
Again your logic skills = 0. Marco was shown healing once, you put a "always". 2ndly Akainu blasted through Marco and left him with bloody nose and tired, something he didn't recover from. What's stopping Sabo from pushing him to those limits? :|
 

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Because I started the convo from here:


I brought up the Sabo diff. because it sounded like you were implying Sabo's fight should be around Luffy's fight on a diff. scale.

As for Sabo attacking, the manga only showed 2 attacks before the off paneling so it's left to us to fill in the off screen events. You've seemingly filled that with more fighting but who's to say how long it took Burgess to get up after each hit. In fact it seems like you are adding scenes. The first hit pushed him back when he attacked Luffy,
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the second attack sent him flying halfway across the town,
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The second attack comes after Burgess throws one of his only 2 attacks the entire shown fight and shows him sent flying, then they're gone.
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The next time we see them and the logical result of the 2nd attack, Sabo is standing un-tired and unharmed over a beaten and defeated Burgess. With that we have no reason to think other than that's where Burgess landed from the 2nd attack.
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When we do come back to them Burgess gets one more half an attack in and Sabo wrecks him with the 3rd shown hit of the fight.
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So to recap Burgess never landed a single hit, the only damage Sabo received was from the arena that's why there's scuff marks prior to the fight starting, we were only shown 3 hits from Sabo, Burgess was never shown to be putting up any resistance only taking hits. It's your interpretation of the off panel time that says Sabo was constantly beating Burgess to try and get him to stay down when the pictures imply the opposite.

Sorry for delayed response, doing this at work takes some time.
This is out of the way... Burgess was neg diffed

Marco never showed any super strong offensive techniques that seem to dominate one piece fighting style. He was shown kicking and only that
 
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