[Manga fact ] Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi

[Gerkak]

No what makes it different is the speed and power, because of this the technique causes pain. Just like how Sasuke chose to develop Enton from amaterasu, Itachi developed his tsukuyomi to manipulate time. Tsukuyomi is a powerful genjutsu, but Itachi who is a master at it simply has more control, therefore he can do more

Then why does sasuke use a different eye to manipulate amaterasu? Why doesn't itachi use a different eye to help him manipulate tsukuyomi better? The answers for these are that enton is the ability of sasuke's right eye not tsukuyomi and tsukuyomi is an ability of itachi's left eye. Itachi does not have enton and sasuke does not have tsukuyomi.

 

[Young Vongola]

Maybe Kishi intended to give Sasuke Tsukuyomi, but changed his mind because he didn't want to make Sasuke an Itachi copy. Mangaka do things like that all the time. Notice we never saw Sasuke use what he used against Killer Bee again.

And the first genjutsu he used on Danzo was activated with both eyes as you can see here

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The second wasn't called Tsukuyomi either, just a "weak genjutsu that doesn't last long" plus it caused no strain on Sasuke's eyes and didn't make them bleed either

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Sorry I can't post the scans directly, too lazy to get on the computer.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

now it doesnt matter whether he knew tskyomi or not....HE is DEAD

 

[iFlowMotion]

I believe he has it. Like you said he's not as good with it as itachi is. Good thread mate =)

 

[Draw]

If you never seen him use it, you can't say he has it

Actually I'm gonna argue against it only cause he has never said tsukiyomi. Why would he say 'Amaterasu' 'Enton: Sussano Arrow' or 'Sharingan Genjutsu' and not ever say tsukiyomi when he used genjutsu.

 

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He has it. The name excuse is garbage to honest deva path spam the shit out of shinra tense I and he doesn't always have to say the name. The thing is assume isn't good at genjutsu and that was made clear a lot of time. Its just not his fighting style

 

[itachi4real]

I dont think so. Why would sasuke just say sharingan genjutsu rather than tsukuyomi:| makes no sense. Everytime itachi used it he said either mangekyou sharingan or tsukuyomi. While sasuke just says sharingan genjutsu. Why beat around the bush? Also, it affected sasuke but why didnt his so called tsukuyomi affect killer bee?

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

if sasuke can use amaterasu, why wouldnt he be able to use tsukuyomi. After all, he does have itachi's eyes. Hey may not be very good at it which is why he barely uses it. Itachi wasnt as good as sasuke is with amaterasu which is why he barely ever used it, like how sasuke barely uses tsukoyomi.

I think anyone with MS can use Ama/Tsuko
How else do u expect Madara or Obito to have used Infinite Tsukoyomi by reflecting Tsukoyomi off the moon? forcing itachi or sasuke to do it?

Sasuke CAN use it.

Im sure anyone who is a chuunin or a jounin can use the shadowclone jutsu. Can we say that just because they never did it in the show that they are incapable? Even Kiba could do it.

Obito with the Rinnigan said he could use the other Rinnigan powers, but it would have took too much strain while controlling the Edo Jin and the beasts.
He even claimed to be able to use human path. But he never did, but having the rinnigan, even one eye, would make sense for him to be able.
But because he didnt, does it mean that he was lying?

 

[itachi4real]

Also, why would kishi make three characters have the same exact MS techs:| makes no sense

 

[Gerkak]

He has it. The name excuse is garbage to honest deva path spam the shit out of shinra tense I and he doesn't always have to say the name. The thing is assume isn't good at genjutsu and that was made clear a lot of time. Its just not his fighting style

The point is deva path mentioned the name of the jutsu during its first appearance. And several times after. Sasuke on the otherhand never mentioned tsukuyomi once.

 

[Douryoku]

lmao you dumb? have madara ever used the Utter word for the meteor Jutsu? lmfao still uses it.


-Sasuke can use Tsuki only a very weak verson of it. he is just not a pro w/ genjutsu

-Sasuke > amaterasu/Enton
-Itachi > Genjutsu/Tsukyomi

like sum guy above said

Are you reading for a PhD at Cambridge in English literature, perhaps?

That is not an equitable comparison; when Sasuke uses his techniques, for instance Chidori, he says it aloud. Why would he arbitrarily not say it for Tsukuyomi?

Further, people using the argument that all Susano'o users must have both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are incorrect:

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Sasuke makes no specific mention of a given technique. The reason why, for example, Obito cannot use it is because he does not currently have both eyes, and never had both Mangekyo, ever, simultaneously.

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If it was Tsukuyomi, then why did Obito not mention this? What's more, Danzo didn't explicitly say that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi.​

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[Yanks]

He has it. The name excuse is garbage to honest deva path spam the shit out of shinra tense I and he doesn't always have to say the name.

If he said it once, then you'd know what it is already.

 

[Amazeballs]

In the end it's just a name given to demonstrate the strength of the Genjutsu. I don't view Tsukuyomi as being as intrinsically tired to one's Mangekyou abilities as, say, Kamui or Kotoamatsukami. To me, Tsukuyomi is more testament to Itachi's skill with Genjutsu.

That said, one could also argue that, until Sasuke achieves the same result as Itachi, his Genjutsu cannot be called Tsukuyomi. To the same end, Itachi's Amaterasu is not Kagutsuchi until Itachi applies the same Enton Manipulation that Sasuke applies. Sasuke is just more of a Ninjutsu type; he uses small Genjutsu to support his Ninjutsu, but doesn't end fights with Genjutsu.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

people take things waaaay to literal when it comes down to trying to prove a point in their favor on here, but then when someone does the reverse to them, they call someone a troll, or fapboy. SMH.

Everyone who has MS can unlock Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi. Thing is, Itachi was the 1st person introduced in the series to have it, so of course, kishi is gonna make hime show off ama and tsuko. But then sasuke got it, instead of making an exact copy, He made sasuke the reverse of itachi, instead of being good with the tsukoyomi like itachi, he made him pro with amaterasu. Then as the plot went on, he started making MS have different powers. Does it say that MS can only have one technique? Name another visual genjutsu other than tsukoyomi that causes the colors to be inverted?

As I stated before, how do you think Madara or Obito planned on using the infinite Tsukoyomi if Itachi is supposedly the only one who has tsuko.

Danzo stated that Sasuke's tsukoyomi was nowhere near Itachi's level. Danzo eas comparing Itachi's Tsukoyomi to Sasuke which is why he even mentioned the name saying that itachi's tsuko was able to control time and space whereas sasuke's wasnt. It would be like someone cmparing sasuke's amaterasu to itachi's saying that sasuke's could change shape, while Itachi's could not.

Why would somoene cmpare a genjutsu to tsukoyomi? Thats like comparing Katon to Enton

 

[Douryoku]

In the end it's just a name given to demonstrate the strength of the Genjutsu. I don't view Tsukuyomi as being as intrinsically tired to one's Mangekyou abilities as, say, Kamui or Kotoamatsukami. To me, Tsukuyomi is more testament to Itachi's skill with Genjutsu.

That said, one could also argue that, until Sasuke achieves the same result as Itachi, his Genjutsu cannot be called Tsukuyomi. To the same end, Itachi's Amaterasu is not Kagutsuchi until Itachi applies the same Enton Manipulation that Sasuke applies. Sasuke is just more of a Ninjutsu type; he uses small Genjutsu to support his Ninjutsu, but doesn't end fights with Genjutsu.

A well composed post, but...

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Itachi is overtly saying that he awakened it, and that it is not an extension—as you imply—of a technique.

@Alita:

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It is like Itachi facing somebody using a fire technique, and then saying "it's not close to Amaterasu". Does Danzo say "your Tsukuyomi is nowhere near Itachi's"? He doesn't.​

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[Wabbit]

Well Bascially it is ...

Then it is mearly MS genjutsu not even near Tsukoyomi
a main charecteristics of tsukoyomi is that it hits in instant and stalls the victim.leaving the user in mental suffering or making the victim mentally suffer While Sasukes genjutsu was easily broken by Bee and he was chilling..Thats quite disappointing.even if he cant control S/T at least it should have left the victim in shock

 

[Gerkak]

people take things waaaay to literal when it comes down to trying to prove a point in their favor on here, but then when someone does the reverse to them, they call someone a troll, or fapboy. SMH.

Everyone who has MS can unlock Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi. Thing is, Itachi was the 1st person introduced in the series to have it, so of course, kishi is gonna make hime show off ama and tsuko. But then sasuke got it, instead of making an exact copy, He made sasuke the reverse of itachi, instead of being good with the tsukoyomi like itachi, he made him pro with amaterasu. Then as the plot went on, he started making MS have different powers. Does it say that MS can only have one technique? Name another visual genjutsu other than tsukoyomi that causes the colors to be inverted?

As I stated before, how do you think Madara or Obito planned on using the infinite Tsukoyomi if Itachi is supposedly the only one who has it?

They plan to use the juubi's eye to cast infinite tsukuyomi. Madara said it himself. Are you saying that kakashi, obito and shisui all have amaterasu and tsukuyomi?

Kishi already introduced kakashi's MS before sasuke's. So I don't know what you mean by " As the plot went on he started to make different MS powers". When kishi already introduced kamui before sasuke got his own MS

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Then it is mearly MS genjutsu not even near Tsukoyomi
a main charecteristics of tsukoyomi is that it hits in instant and stalls the victim.leaving the user in mental suffering or making the victim mentally suffer While Sasukes genjutsu was easily broken by Bee and he was chilling..Thats quite disappointing.even if he cant control S/T at least it should have left the victim in shock

Gyuki snapped him out of the illusion.

 

[itachi4real]

people take things waaaay to literal when it comes down to trying to prove a point in their favor on here, but then when someone does the reverse to them, they call someone a troll, or fapboy. SMH.

Everyone who has MS can unlock Amaterasu and Tsukoyomi. Thing is, Itachi was the 1st person introduced in the series to have it, so of course, kishi is gonna make hime show off ama and tsuko. But then sasuke got it, instead of making an exact copy, He made sasuke the reverse of itachi, instead of being good with the tsukoyomi like itachi, he made him pro with amaterasu. Then as the plot went on, he started making MS have different powers. Does it say that MS can only have one technique? Name another visual genjutsu other than tsukoyomi that causes the colors to be inverted?

As I stated before, how do you think Madara or Obito planned on using the infinite Tsukoyomi if Itachi is supposedly the only one who has tsuko.

Danzo stated that Sasuke's tsukoyomi was nowhere near Itachi's level.

Why would kishi give sasuke madara and itachi the same exact techs( tsukuyomi,amaterasu, and susanoo)?

Sasuke: amaterasu, enton, susanoo

Itachi: amaterasu, tsukuyomi, susanoo

Madara: susanoo


But they all have sharingan genjutsu. All uchihas have sharingan genjutsu.

 

[Douryoku]

I have previously fashioned a thread on this topic: [

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I think the genjutsu Sasuke used is more akin to a binding genjutsu of sorts, hence why Kirabi could not move. [

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Gyuki snapped him out of the illusion.

A contradiction. It is common knowledge that only those with a Sharingan/blood of the Uchiha can dispel Tsukuyomi. Further emphasised by this particular scan:

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Naruto specifically tells a Jinchuriki that even if he gets hit by it it is game over.​

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