Madara's sharingan was not needed to awaken Rinnegan.

[KidGamer65]

Exactly. We've been told from Hagoromo himself that only Ashura and Indra's Chakra are needed to obtain the Rinnegan. Sharingan isn't needed as stated and shown.

The Sharingan is a de-evolution of the Rinnegan. Logically Madara should've had only one Rinnegan eye but he obviously did'nt.

This is just another inconsistency.

Or awakening the Rinnegan simply caused Madara's eye to rejuvenate
(Either letting him use all his powers, or his Sharingan powers are sealed for good) , and the Sharingan being a devolution of the Rinnegan is wrong since they were never in an evolutionary line to begin with. You don't need a Sharingan to get a Rinnegan as Madara showed us.

 

[ComplexCity]

Has nothing to do with my post.​

Oh but it does, how is the Rinnegan the final stage of the Sharigan when this has already been proven false?

 

[Bronze]

Oh but it does, how is the Rinnegan the final stage of the Sharigan when this has already been proven false?

When has it proven to be false?​

 

[RedRobin]

If what you are saying is true then Obito and Danzo's sharigans should have evolved into rinnegans.

 

[ComplexCity]

When has it proven to be false?​

What I just stated...

 

[Bronze]

What I just stated...

You didn't ''state'' why it's proven wrong, even though it's going to be a fan-made speculation.​

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Exactly. We've been told from Hagoromo himself that only Ashura and Indra's Chakra are needed to obtain the Rinnegan. Sharingan isn't needed as stated and shown.



Or awakening the Rinnegan simply caused Madara's eye to rejuvenate
(Either letting him use all his powers, or his Sharingan powers are sealed for good) , and the Sharingan being a devolution of the Rinnegan is wrong since they were never in an evolutionary line to begin with. You don't need a Sharingan to get a Rinnegan as Madara showed us.

Indra was shown with the Sharingan and Hagoromo is his dad so obviously it's a watered down version of the Rinnegan.

Not to mention all Rinnegan users after Hagoromo had the Sharingan except for Nagato,so having the chakra is only part of it.

Izanagi should've rendered Madara's eye useless and afterwards he would only have been able to unlock the Rinnegan in his remaining eye.The fact that's not the case makes no logical sense.

 

[ComplexCity]

You didn't ''state'' why it's proven wrong, even though it's going to be a fan-made speculation.​

Because others have done so already, I don't like repeating what's already been said

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

If what you are saying is true then Obito and Danzo's sharigans should have evolved into rinnegans.

They did'nt have EMS.

 

[RedRobin]

They did'nt have EMS.

That is complete bull. They wouldnt have awakened it even if they had EMS.

 

[Bronze]

Because others have done so already, I don't like repeating what's already been said

You depend on the Izanagi argument? Proven false with Sasuke's power-up. Proven false with Madara's statement. Proven false by Hagoromo himself. Don't bother to reply, because it's going to be fan-fictional like those who relied on Izanagi.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Indra was shown with the Sharingan and Hagoromo is his dad so obviously it's a watered down version of the Rinnegan.

That's not how genetics work. Kaguya had Rinnegan, Sharingan (Third Eye was both) and Byakugan. Hagoromo got Rinnegan, and Hamura got Byakugan, meaning Sharingan was recessive, and it came out in Indra.

Not to mention all Rinnegan users after Hagoromo had the Sharingan except for Nagato,so having the chakra is only part of it.

Lol, there have only been 2 Rinnegan users, Sasuke and Madara, who are Uchiha. Its natural that they unlock the Sharingan at an early age. Not proof that its needed considering Hagoromo already stated the requirements, and Sharingan isn't one of them. Madara showed us this as well.

Izanagi should've rendered Madara's eye useless and afterwards he would only have been able to unlock the Rinnegan in his remaining eye.The fact that's not the case makes no logical sense.

You only believe that the bold is correct, but clearly Kishimoto disagrees since he had Madara awaken it in both. Meaning the awakening of the Rinnegan is what rejuvenated his eye.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

That is complete bull. They wouldnt have awakened it even if they had EMS.

It's not bull,Madara and Sasuke had unlocked the Rinnegan because of their Sharingan had evolved to the highest point without Ashura's chakra.Therefore you need EMS to even get the Rinnegan along with the chakra of Ashura/Indra.

 

[mzarif]

Indra was shown with the Sharingan and Hagoromo is his dad so obviously it's a watered down version of the Rinnegan.

Not to mention all Rinnegan users after Hagoromo had the Sharingan except for Nagato,so having the chakra is only part of it.

Izanagi should've rendered Madara's eye useless and afterwards he would only have been able to unlock the Rinnegan in his remaining eye.The fact that's not the case makes no logical sense.

Instead of thinking of it that way, why don't we just accept an explanation than makes sense.

Ashura's chakra + Indra's chakra = Hagoromo's chakra. Hagoromo's chakra resulted in the awakening of the Rinnegan. His right eye got "healed" after the awakening of the Rinnegan.

Also, EMS is supposedly not needed for Rinnegan. EMS is just the same as MS, only that it's an MS that never blind.

Heck looking at how Hagoromo explained it, it seems like they don't need MS at all. Just a Sharingan is enough. Or probably that's not even needed.

 

[Mad Daz]

Am i the only one confused on how madara came back to life? He set izanami/gi to go off on a shadow clone, but his main body was already dead.. So how did that shadow clone stick around?

 

[ComplexCity]

You depend on the Izanagi argument? Proven false with Sasuke's power-up. Proven false with Madara's statement. Proven false by Hagoromo himself. Don't bother to reply, because it's going to be fan-fictional like those who relied on Izanagi.​

Here ya go

That's not how genetics work. Kaguya had Rinnegan, Sharingan (Third Eye was both) and Byakugan. Hagoromo got Rinnegan, and Hamura got Byakugan, meaning Sharingan was recessive, and it came out in Indra.


Lol, there have only been 2 Rinnegan users, Sasuke and Madara, who are Uchiha. Its natural that they unlock the Sharingan at an early age. Not proof that its needed considering Hagoromo already stated the requirements, and Sharingan isn't one of them. Madara showed us this as well.



You only believe that the bold is correct, but clearly Kishimoto disagrees since he had Madara awaken it in both. Meaning the awakening of the Rinnegan is what rejuvenated his eye.

I even bolded the right answer for you


I'm gonna repeat what others are saying to you, I'm not a parrot

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

That's not how genetics work. Kaguya had Rinnegan, Sharingan (Third Eye was both) and Byakugan. Hagoromo got Rinnegan, and Hamura got Byakugan, meaning Sharingan was recessive, and it came out in Indra.


Lol, there have only been 2 Rinnegan users, Sasuke and Madara, who are Uchiha. Its natural that they unlock the Sharingan at an early age. Not proof that its needed considering Hagoromo already stated the requirements, and Sharingan isn't one of them. Madara showed us this as well.



You only believe that the bold is correct, but clearly Kishimoto disagrees since he had Madara awaken it in both. Meaning the awakening of the Rinnegan is what rejuvenated his eye.

The point of my post was to show that the Sharingan is connected to the Rinnegan,recessive or not.

And how much sense does it make for Madara to unlock the Rinnegan in both eyes, when Izanagi seals the eye used for it forever?Not even Hashirama's DNA which has amazing healing properties and being full of Ashura's chakra could logically prevent that.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Instead of thinking of it that way, why don't we just accept an explanation than makes sense.

Ashura's chakra + Indra's chakra = Hagoromo's chakra. Hagoromo's chakra resulted in the awakening of the Rinnegan. His right eye got "healed" after the awakening of the Rinnegan.

Also, EMS is supposedly not needed for Rinnegan. EMS is just the same as MS, only that it's an MS that never blind.

Heck looking at how Hagoromo explained it, it seems like they don't need MS at all. Just a Sharingan is enough. Or probably that's not even needed.

It was already explained that you need both Ashura and Indra's Chakra+EMS to unlock the Rinnegan.Izanagi seals the eye forever,there is no "healing" something that is permamently shut for good.

 

[RedRobin]

Am i the only one confused on how madara came back to life? He set izanami/gi to go off on a shadow clone, but his main body was already dead.. So how did that shadow clone stick around?

He used Izanagi so he could come back to life, reset the events of his death. Once alive he used a shadow clone as a corpse so no one would question where Madara went.

As for why his izangi was able to last so long I have no idea.

 

[mzarif]

It was already explained that you need both Ashura and Indra's Chakra+EMS to unlock the Rinnegan.Izanagi seals the eye forever,there is no "healing" something that is permamently shut for good.

Tell me where it's stated in the manga that you need EMS for Rinnegan.

And the eye isn't destroyed after Izanagi, it's just rendered blind and useless. It's still there in the socket.