Madara's MS ability is...

[YellowFang]

Madara used it for the first time when he re-acquired his Rinnegan...
So, it's for sure a Rinnegan justu... Maybe an advanced tech. that Nagato couldn't get a hold on...
And don't count Obito, neither those were his eye nor he ever got time to even understand necessary capabilities of it...

 

[V h o]

I don't think so.

 

[TwistedSmile]

ok if you seriously think sasuke wasnt gonna die before being saved you are delusional. madara legitimately didn't feel anything from sasukes attack don't get things twisted just cause sasuke didn't die in the end from some asspull plot no jutsu. also you keep saying he beat ashuras reincarnation which he did no denying that. but he beat him years ago with a super emotional naruto. currently naruto stomps him into the ground. madara and hashirama also fought their entire lives which means madara won some of those fights as well or else there would be no reason for kishi to have stated that the senju and uchiha were equal and when someone hired the senju the other would hire the uchiha. why would people keep hiring madara and his clan if he's always losing? so yeah madara beat hashi at some point he just couldn't kill him.

put naruto against sasuke now so you can see how a properly trained naruto will sh*t on sasuke and his one win

Where did I say he wasn't GONNA die? On the other hand, DID HE? No, so your argument is invalid, judging like that. If Sasuke cutting Maddie was nothing then Maddie stabbing Sasuke was nothing as well, as neither one of the attacks killed the target.
I do not deny by any means that Current Naruto > Current Sasuke. I don't even have a problem with it, after all, it's Naruto's show, isn't it? I'm just saying that Sasuke managed to achieve something that not even Indra himself might not have achieved (SUPPOSITION) which is defeating Asura and his incarnations. I'm not trying to build up a case for EMS Sasuke > EMS Maddie here. Oro himself stated that Sasuke has more talent/potential than Maddie, that's enough for me.

 

[Madarauchiwa]

Where did I say he wasn't GONNA die? On the other hand, DID HE? No, so your argument is invalid, judging like that. If Sasuke cutting Maddie was nothing then Maddie stabbing Sasuke was nothing as well, as neither one of the attacks killed the target.
I do not deny by any means that Current Naruto > Current Sasuke. I don't even have a problem with it, after all, it's Naruto's show, isn't it? I'm just saying that Sasuke managed to achieve something that not even Indra himself might not have achieved (SUPPOSITION) which is defeating Asura and his incarnations. I'm not trying to build up a case for EMS Sasuke > EMS Maddie here. Oro himself stated that Sasuke has more talent/potential than Maddie, that's enough for me.

did you read the rest of what i said? madara has more then likely also defeated hashirama. hashirama just had the most important victory at VOTE because thats where madara finally "died". hashi wouldn't be so excited to fight someone he could defeat at anytime and madara wouldn't have said hashirama is the only one who can fight equally with him before leaving the village if all he'd done the past 28 years is lose to hashi in every fight. what sasuke did is nothing special

 

[Genjin]

This is an interesting thread with a lot of well constructed arguments, and it's definitely a subject I think about often. Obviously, the answer to this question is highly subjective, and I don't believe there is a single right answer. I like reading everyone's opinion on the matter, though, and I hope this discussion goes on.

 

[TwistedSmile]

did you read the rest of what i said? madara has more then likely also defeated hashirama. hashirama just had the most important victory at VOTE because thats where madara finally "died". hashi wouldn't be so excited to fight someone he could defeat at anytime and madara wouldn't have said hashirama is the only one who can fight equally with him before leaving the village if all he'd done the past 28 years is lose to hashi in every fight. what sasuke did is nothing special

We're not supposed to make fanfics battles here. As long as we didn't see any of these fights, we can only talk on what's been presented. We've seen 2 Maddie vs Hashi fights, both ending up with Maddie's defeat. I don't say what Sasuke did is something unbelievable, as they were both mere genin at that point. I'm just pointing out that he did something that Maddie (and MAYBE even Indra) couldn't.

 

[ad0]

Where did I say he wasn't GONNA die? On the other hand, DID HE? No, so your argument is invalid, judging like that. If Sasuke cutting Maddie was nothing then Maddie stabbing Sasuke was nothing as well, as neither one of the attacks killed the target.
I do not deny by any means that Current Naruto > Current Sasuke. I don't even have a problem with it, after all, it's Naruto's show, isn't it? I'm just saying that Sasuke managed to achieve something that not even Indra himself might not have achieved (SUPPOSITION) which is defeating Asura and his incarnations. I'm not trying to build up a case for EMS Sasuke > EMS Maddie here. Oro himself stated that Sasuke has more talent/potential than Maddie, that's enough for me.

As Madarauchiwa said Ems Madara and Sage Harshiram are Equal

They are Equal then Why would madara clearly said they are equal?. The reason he lost because harshirama betrayed him madara never tought harshirama would use such a dirty move on his friend

 

[Madarauchiwa]

We're not supposed to make fanfics battles here. As long as we didn't see any of these fights, we can only talk on what's been presented. We've seen 2 Maddie vs Hashi fights, both ending up with Maddie's defeat. I don't say what Sasuke did is something unbelievable, as they were both mere genin at that point. I'm just pointing out that he did something that Maddie (and MAYBE even Indra) couldn't.

i suppose if we can't deduce things from what kishi has said in the manga and use our brains then yeah i guess the second main character is always gonna have more feats.

 

[TwistedSmile]

As Madarauchiwa said Ems Madara and Sage Harshiram are Equal

They are Equal then Why would madara clearly said they are equal?. The reason he lost because harshirama betrayed him madara never tought harshirama would use such a move on him

You take everything that's been said in the manga for good? If so then I suppose Itachi can defeat Maddie easily, because BZ said so. Words should be backed up with facts. I don't say Hashirama is a God and Maddie is an ant compared to him. But Hashi is definitely stronger, just like Naruto > Sasuke now. I guess Asura > Indra as well.

 

[TwistedSmile]

i suppose if we can't deduce things from what kishi has said in the manga and use our brains then yeah i guess the second main character is always gonna have more feats.

Kishi said Itachi is invincible. Use your brain to deduce how true that is please.
Mathematical: Words = Facts/2.

 

[Madarauchiwa]

Where did I say he wasn't GONNA die? On the other hand, DID HE? No, so your argument is invalid, judging like that. If Sasuke cutting Maddie was nothing then Maddie stabbing Sasuke was nothing as well, as neither one of the attacks killed the target.
I do not deny by any means that Current Naruto > Current Sasuke. I don't even have a problem with it, after all, it's Naruto's show, isn't it? I'm just saying that Sasuke managed to achieve something that not even Indra himself might not have achieved (SUPPOSITION) which is defeating Asura and his incarnations. I'm not trying to build up a case for EMS Sasuke > EMS Maddie here. Oro himself stated that Sasuke has more talent/potential than Maddie, that's enough for me.

also real quick on this whole orochimaru thing. he d*ck rides sasuke on everything. said he's got better eyes and would surpass itachi with his help and when sasuke goes and fights itachi he basically loses if itachi wasn't throwing the fight. he said the same about madara and even tho you don't accept this) sasuke again after being hyped by orochimaru goes and tries to kill madara and gets one paneled. you can't really take the word of a man who wants your body to seriously ya know? girls on here this advice goes for you too

 

[Madarauchiwa]

Kishi said Itachi is invincible. Use your brain to deduce how true that is please.
Mathematical: Words = Facts/2.

white zetsu said itachi is invincible because he was awestruck by the power he saw. in the heat of battle when you see an unblock able sword and an unbreakable shield you get a bit carried away. sorry you couldn't deduce that, that amateur white zetsu was just hyping

 

[TwistedSmile]

also real quick on this whole orochimaru thing. he d*ck rides sasuke on everything. said he's got better eyes and would surpass itachi with his help and when sasuke goes and fights itachi he basically loses if itachi wasn't throwing the fight. he said the same about madara and even tho you don't accept this) sasuke again after being hyped by orochimaru goes and tries to kill madara and gets one paneled. you can't really take the word of a man who wants your body to seriously ya know? girls on here this advice goes for you too

BOLDED: He never said Sasuke > Maddie at that moment. He said Sasuke had more potential/talent. Which is true IMO. Also, Oro is definitely one of the smartest persons this manga has, even tho you might not agree it, because he's a Sasuke fan. But I'm pretty sure he is not having biased opinions just because of that.

 

[TwistedSmile]

white zetsu said itachi is invincible because he was awestruck by the power he saw. in the heat of battle when you see an unblock able sword and an unbreakable shield you get a bit carried away. sorry you couldn't deduce that, that amateur white zetsu was just hyping

It was Black Zetsu, and it applies in this context as well. At least in that case, it was hinted that Itachi's invincible. The fact that you say Maddie defeated Hashirama several times before VOTE battle is pure fanfic, as it was never even slightly hinted.

 

[Madarauchiwa]

at the end of the day i wish madara had lost to gai. he was the only one worthy of madara in my opinion lol after those gai flashbacks i wanted gai to win sooooo bad. this way we wouldn't have to argue over this crap.

 

[TwistedSmile]

at the end of the day i wish madara had lost to gai. he was the only one worthy of madara in my opinion lol after those gai flashbacks i wanted gai to win sooooo bad. this way we wouldn't have to argue over this crap.

Tsunade + 8 gates would solo both Sasuke and Maddie neg diff lol. If she can heal herself, that is.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Madara didn't have Limbo as his MS ability but I do think it's related to the technique in some way.

 

[Madarauchiwa]

It was Black Zetsu, and it applies in this context as well. At least in that case, it was hinted that Itachi's invincible. The fact that you say Maddie defeated Hashirama several times before VOTE battle is pure fanfic, as it was never even slightly hinted.

its hinted when they say "when one side would hired the senju the other would hire the uchiha or vice versa. think about it logically would you continue to hire the side that loses every single time? obviously he had his victories or he wouldn't have been so feared. would hashi really consider a man who's never won a fight against him a rival? would you?

 

[TwistedSmile]

its hinted when they say "when one side would hired the senju the other would hire the uchiha or vice versa. think about it logically would you continue to hire the side that loses every single time? obviously he had his victories or he wouldn't have been so feared. would hashi really consider a man who's never won a fight against him a rival? would you?

As a matter of fact, if that person would give me a fight each time, in spite of losing every time, I would.

 

[Madarauchiwa]

Tsunade + 8 gates would solo both Sasuke and Maddie neg diff lol. If she can heal herself, that is.

i was thinking shed be boss but doesn't opening the 8th gate focus all your chakra on your heart or something? leaving you like unable to use other jutsu? idk just guessing