Madara why is he young, why does he have Hashi's face, why is he blind

[Floydical]

First off that was alot longer than it needed to be:

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The above scan was all you really needed to show as it confirms both that Kabuto placed the Hashi Face on Madara and that Madara knew about it. A single sentence and a Scan would have sufficed, as oppose to a dissertation and 5 scans which all, more or less, showed the same point.

Lastly my comment on Kabuto messing with Rinnegan was a throw away comment "or perhaps did something with the Rinnegan" It wasnt meant to be taken seriously, it was merely a possibility that came to mind that wasn't given much though. Sorry you wasted time addressing it.

The first of your last 2 points which is really just one point goes back to the first point you brought up which is the fact that Kabuto put the Hashirama Face on Madara's Body.

"As for 2&3, you have a lot of points completely wrong."
This comment was exaggerated. 2 is not "a lot" and only one of which was an actual point.

Lastly even with the scans you have shown, which are arguable, logic would still dictate that Madara was the one who implanted the Hashirama Face on his own body. This would be the only way to explain why he kept his Edo Body but not his Edo Eyes.

The only other option is another point I raised which was that:



And lastly your entire response doesnt take away from the general idea posed in my response. The context of the thread revolves around his Meows question of:



To that my reply was:



If you merely wanted to inform, for the sake of the discussion, that my side comment on the Hashirama's Face was wrong then that is all well and good. But the way you decided to pick apart and attack a side comment, which was unrelated to the main question of the thread... well one can only take it personal.

Madara looking down his shirt and acting surprised and him referring to Kabuto when Hashirama reacted to his Hashi face is hard evidence that he did not create the Hashirama face on his chest, rather Kabuto did. Again, he did infact add senju DNA to his body, but did not create the face, as seen here:

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If you still think he created the Hashirama face himself after this, I can't help you.

As for his new body, I feel his resurrection simply took the current form of his edo considering it had no real body to return to. This is the most simple answer, and it seems to be the original reason Kishi had Kabuto make his body young in the first place. I don't think it has anything to do with how Madara visualized himself while he cast it. Regarding his eyes, considering he gave his eyes away to Nagato, it makes sense that his actual resurrection would not include them. The reason his Edo had them is because they are required to fulfill the 'all jutsu' rule related to edo tensei, so he got a temporary pair.

Thing is, I take it personally when someone posts assumptions as 'facts' when they are trying to inform someone who is asking a question. I'm simply focusing on the points I think were the most debatable and gave my 2 cents on the matters.

 

[FearxDeath]

Madara looking down his shirt and acting surprised and him referring to Kabuto when Hashirama reacted to his Hashi face is hard evidence that he did not create the Hashirama face on his chest, rather Kabuto did. Again, he did infact add senju DNA to his body, but did not create the face, as seen here:

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If you still think he created the Hashirama face himself after this, I can't help you.

As for his new body, I feel his resurrection simply took the current form of his edo considering it had no real body to return to. This is the most simple answer, and it seems to be the original reason Kishi had Kabuto make his body young in the first place. I don't think it has anything to do with how Madara visualized himself while he cast it. Regarding his eyes, considering he gave his eyes away to Nagato, it makes sense that his actual resurrection would not include them. The reason his Edo had them is because they are required to fulfill the 'all jutsu' rule related to edo tensei, so he got a temporary pair.

Thing is, I take it personally when someone posts assumptions as 'facts' when they are trying to inform someone who is asking a question. I'm simply focusing on the points I think were the most debatable and gave my 2 cents on the matters.

I highly suggest you re-read my last response, because no where in there did I express that I believed that Madara was the one who placed the Hashirama Face on his chest. It is very upsetting to see this as it means that you didnt even bother to read my thread before you decided to respond...

 

[Floydical]

Lastly even with the scans you have shown, which are arguable, logic would still dictate that Madara was the one who implanted the Hashirama Face on his own body. This would be the only way to explain why he kept his Edo Body but not his Edo Eyes.

Well you clearly contradicted yourself here, so that is why I felt I needed to explain it more.

 

[FearxDeath]

Well you clearly contradicted yourself here, so that is why I felt I needed to explain it more.

Please Elaborate

 

[Gyakusetsu]

It was probably Madara's actual body and Kabuto found a loop hole that allowed him to trick the requirements for a sacrifice. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny that Kabuto would have access to Madara's DNA and yet the body is nowhere to be found for a true Rinne Tensei resurrection. The eyes disappeared because they are in use. Madara only had a Sharingan he took off a random fodder so that wasn't his anyway. The final reason that I feel it is Madara's body is because Kabuto knew Obito couldn't be Madara. He knew this because he had the freaking body...

The mystery is how did Kabuto overcome the requirements for ET? Well, there could be any number of explanations. A Zetsu clone could mirror Madara perfectly and be used (Zetsu probably did this cloning at other points in the manga as well), but then we must ask why was Kabuto asking for one from Obito? There are a number of possibilities Kishi can come up with we haven't thought of. This "difference" may also be used to explain why Madara seems able to defy ET and Tobirama apparently cannot.

 

[Floydical]

Please Elaborate

At first you stated that all I needed to prove my point was that single scan, implying you agree with me, but then later you state that it is still logical to assume that Madara put the face on himself considering that would explain why he kept it and not his eyes when he got fully resurrected. So either you are playing both sides of it, or you changed your opinion half way through.

 

[FearxDeath]

At first you stated that all I needed to prove my point was that single scan, implying you agree with me, but then later you state that it is still logical to assume that Madara put the face on himself considering that would explain why he kept it and not his eyes when he got fully resurrected. So either you are playing both sides of it, or you changed your opinion half way through.

The part where you say I agree with you was under the context of your response being longer than it needed to be:

First off that was alot longer than it needed to be:

Let me put it this way, based on what you hve presented I find it somewhat likely that Kabuto was the one who implanted hashirama.... Actually forget about it. I dislike debating on side topic which I had already pointed out was not a part of the context of the thread

 

[BudakPurba]

One thing I want to know is why Madara was revived young, and Hiruzen old :erm:

the answer is... its kishi fault.. nowadays kishi is mess up... he just drew anything he likes whenever he likes... he didn't concern about the facts anymore... if madara prime is when he is a youth... i bet hiruzen also the same... if u remember... oro said during his battle his the 2rd on top of the roof... it seems that old has effected you my teacher... (something like that) ...

so my advised is... stopped thinking about naruto facts anymore... because kishi himself didn't give a s**t about it... so would we?