Madara vs Itachi. Vote now!!!

Who is stronger? Madara or Itachi?

  • Madara

    Votes: 30 69.8%
  • Itachi

    Votes: 7 16.3%
  • Draw

    Votes: 6 14.0%

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zumorikato

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First of, I just want to say that Im not agreeing to anybody, but I would want to say that we all are speculating and none can be right or wrong, since these to did not fight I think that its best to say that anything can be assumed.

Second, This is a very good thread and allows for a lot of opinions

I honestly think that Itachi might give Madara a run for his money.
The reason I made this statement is not due to a specific do jitsu on any one of these two's behalf.

I think it all came down to mind vs mind. I have a lot of respect for Itachi, as he is a mere fraction of Madara's age, with age comes experience and thats something you cant learn, so Madara have the upper hand on that one. The reason I say Itachi would give him a good battle is due to the ability that Itachi had to annalise a situation and come up with a plan that is more than 4 steps in the future. I compare this to a chess game. I can see Madara as this old fart, versus a kid of 13 (Itachi), and the kid giving him a hard time and there is nothing he can do about it, and it frustrates him. Itachi even had the ability to prepare certain methods to cause Madara a headache after his death, and Im not just talking about the Ameterasu that Sasuke used on him. But providing Sasuke with his jitsu's, and giving Sasuke the ability to stand up against Madara, one day.

This is mere my prediction on the following chapters of naruto :
I think Sasuke is playing the fool on purpose due to the abilities that Itachi gave him. He is going to go to Konoha to fight Naruto, I think he really wants to fight Naruto, but the only way they will be able to do that is if they face each other as enemies. This is only to confirm if Sasuke is better than Naruto. But I think in the end they will need to work together in order to get rid of Madara.

I have writed all this, and you might think what the hell does this even have to do with the thread. But I think that Itachi had the ability to see even that far in the future, to prepare Sasuke to beat Madara, and he even gave Naruto "something" as a backup plan incase there is a failure! This tells me that this person is an increadable genius! At his age!

One last thing that you need to remember is that a person that is smarter than his opponent in war knows when to give up and make alternative arrangements in order to defeat his enemy through another means and that is exactly what Itachi did. He knew that due to his sickness and disability's (Weakening eyes) at that time he will not provide Madara with a competitive battle, but he made arrangements prior to his death to destroy Madara at the end of the day, even though it costed him is live, he still will defeat his enemy, and that is what he wanted to accomplish.

For all practicle reasons and not to be biased I will grant Itachi, and Madara a tie, even though Itachi is already dead, through his death he caused Madara's.

Thanks all for the read.
 

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...i ask you in a fight to death who would have won?

Without the kuybi. And itachi being healthy.
WHAT THE F$?& ?

Whats the point of making one of this vs threads if u "set the stage" like that ?
LOL, from the beginning ur tryin to give itachi an advantage!
why not: madara with kyubi and itachi without susano ???
ooh i forgot itachi is so cool !! :mad:
this vs. threads are getting useless if ur not impartial while setting things up
(even if those threads are useless anyway)
 

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WHAT THE F$?& ?

Whats the point of making one of this vs threads if u "set the stage" like that ?
LOL, from the beginning ur tryin to give itachi an advantage!
why not: madara with kyubi and itachi without susano ???
ooh i forgot itachi is so cool !! :mad:
this vs. threads are getting useless if ur not impartial while setting things up
(even if those threads are useless anyway)
Yeah liek whos stronger- naruto without a sage mode and rasengans or ten ten with EMs
 

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WHAT THE F$?& ?

Whats the point of making one of this vs threads if u "set the stage" like that ?
LOL, from the beginning ur tryin to give itachi an advantage!
why not: madara with kyubi and itachi without susano ???
ooh i forgot itachi is so cool !! :mad:
this vs. threads are getting useless if ur not impartial while setting things up
(even if those threads are useless anyway)
It is simple. Because we will have to argue who controls kuybi. Itachi too was able to control kuybi.
 

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Seriously, i do not want to offend anyoby but some of you have to read the manga again:
I agree with you that the possibility is there. But what you are doing is cherry picking, read the previous page where they state that the more you use the eyes the quicker the user becomes blind! To take control over Kyuubi is only one of the things that guarantees blindness. The fact that the Mangekyou has the ability doesnt mean that Itachi also have the ability, it only indicates that the possibility was there.
Its like stating because Kakashi can "teleport" things in another dimention and have MS so can Sasuke! Which is not true as "could" perhapse maybe, one day, need I carry on be able to do that.
 

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I agree with you that the possibility is there. But what you are doing is cherry picking, read the previous page where they state that the more you use the eyes the quicker the user becomes blind! To take control over Kyuubi is only one of the things that guarantees blindness. The fact that the Mangekyou has the ability doesnt mean that Itachi also have the ability, it only indicates that the possibility was there.
Its like stating because Kakashi can "teleport" things in another dimention and have MS so can Sasuke! Which is not true as "could" perhapse maybe, one day, need I carry on be able to do that.
No, you are wrong. Itachi is able to control Kuybi. You do not know how difficult it is and anything more is just speculation. -That is why i did not include kuybi, sigh-
 

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No, you are wrong. Itachi is able to control Kuybi. You do not know how difficult it is and anything more is just speculation. -That is why i did not include kuybi, sigh-
again agree, but to speculate that Itachi have that ability is also an assumption. Did you ever see Itachi use the Kyuubi? Did you ever feel Itachi using the Kyuubi, did you ever hear that Itachi, used the Kyuubi?

No, so its also just speculation that Itachi could use the Kyuubi. Btw whom else used the Kyuubi other than Madara?
 

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Seriously, i do not want to offend anyoby but some of you have to read the manga again:
wow i dont want to offend U but u dont understand what they are talking about !!
they are talking about the MS:
itachi tells sasuke that using MS makes u blind!
and sasuke answers : Blindnes so that the price for gaining control over kyubi!

that means that the MS could control the kyubi but there is not a single line in 450 chapter's where its said that itachi was able to do it.
madara was the only one, whose MS was strong enough to control kyubi otherwise kakashi too could control the kyubi !
 

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wow i dont want to offend U but u dont understand what they are talking about !!
they are talking about the MS:
itachi tells sasuke that using MS makes u blind!
and sasuke answers : Blindnes so that the price for gaining control over kyubi!

that means that the MS could control the kyubi but there is not a single line in 450 chapter's where its said that itachi was able to do it.
madara was the only one, whose MS was strong enough to control kyubi otherwise kakashi too could control the kyubi !
Very interesting that you have produced such evidence my friend. Because like you said that If it was true that ALL MS user CONTROLS the Kyuubi, Kakashi wouldnt have needed Yamto inorder to assist Naruto with his training. I mean, when ever Naruto pops a tail, Kakashi could just said: Bad Fox, get back into your seal and tada! There you have it folks, the kyuubi in a box!

Thanx for the view, I didnt even see that one! ; )
 

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Very interesting that you have produced such evidence my friend. Because like you said that If it was true that ALL MS user CONTROLS the Kyuubi, Kakashi wouldnt have needed Yamto inorder to assist Naruto with his training. I mean, when ever Naruto pops a tail, Kakashi could just said: Bad Fox, get back into your seal and tada! There you have it folks, the kyuubi in a box!

Thanx for the view, I didnt even see that one! ; )
Ty very much! thats exactly what i meant!! :D
 

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Very interesting that you have produced such evidence my friend. Because like you said that If it was true that ALL MS user CONTROLS the Kyuubi, Kakashi wouldnt have needed Yamto inorder to assist Naruto with his training. I mean, when ever Naruto pops a tail, Kakashi could just said: Bad Fox, get back into your seal and tada! There you have it folks, the kyuubi in a box!

Thanx for the view, I didnt even see that one! ; )
-facepalm- So that is the price you pay for controling kuybi?

Blindness that ms causes giving you the ability to contol the fox...
with ms you can tame the fox. And of course Kakashi cannot control the fox because he is not an uchiha and does not have both eyes...
 

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And of course Kakashi cannot control the fox because he is not an uchiha and does not have both eyes...
lol ms is ms it doesnt matter how many of them u have lol !! otherwise he wouldnt be able to use any ms jutsus !!

and for
-facepalm- So that is the price you pay for controling kuybi?

Blindness that ms causes giving you the ability to contol the fox...
with ms you can tame the fox.
what do mean ??

MS is causing blindness and controling kyubi is one of its abilities!!
 
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-facepalm- So that is the price you pay for controling kuybi?

Blindness that ms causes giving you the ability to contol the fox...
with ms you can tame the fox. And of course Kakashi cannot control the fox because he is not an uchiha and does not have both eyes...
The latter is likely, but it is conjecture.
 

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lol ms is ms it doesnt matter how many of them u have lol !! otherwise he wouldnt be able to use any ms jutsus !!

and for


what do mean ??

MS is causing blindness and controling kyubi is one of its abilities!!
Here:
 

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-facepalm- So that is the price you pay for controling kuybi?

Blindness that ms causes giving you the ability to contol the fox...
with ms you can tame the fox. And of course Kakashi cannot control the fox because he is not an uchiha and does not have both eyes...
lol ms is ms it doesnt matter how many of them u have lol !! otherwise he wouldnt be able to use any ms jutsus !!

and for


what do mean ??

MS is causing blindness and controling kyubi is one of its abilities!!
No, my friend, he is saying that you need to whip off your ars be fore you sh!t. Because due to the fact that you are going blind, it gives you the ability to control the fox, and not the other way around, thats his logic.

I tend to think that you go blind due to the fact that you use the MS. wheter it is for summoning Susanoo or controlling the Kyuubi. But dont worry, the explination that he gave you is merely an assumption as he doesnt have proof, and is speculation. That what he accuses the rest of us from.
 

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Here:
what do u want me to do ?

No, my friend, he is saying that you need to whip off your ars be fore you sh!t. Because due to the fact that you are going blind, it gives you the ability to control the fox, and not the other way around, thats his logic.

I tend to think that you go blind due to the fact that you use the MS. wheter it is for summoning Susanoo or controlling the Kyuubi. But dont worry, the explination that he gave you is merely an assumption as he doesnt have proof, and is speculation. That what he accuses the rest of us from.
wow, didnt expect that he thinks that way! after his philosophy threads!!
 
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No, my friend. As far as I can remember Madara have already took his brothers eyes prior to fighting Shodaime with the fox, thus he had EMS and not MS. Please correct me if Im wrong. But I though that Madara's brother gave his eyes to Madara in order for him to continue fighting Senju. After he gave his eyes, the clan wanted a peace treaty with Senju. Madara was forced to agree for the sake of his clan, but felt that his brothers death was in vain. When the Hidden Village was created, Shodaime was elected as the Hokage, and thus pushed Madara off the edge. He then Challanged Shodaim for the title, using the Kyuubi, but failed. So, he already had the EMS prior to the fight.
 
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