Madara using Susaanoo with no eyes [Theory]

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Quick one here, and just as the title says

it is a ''Theory''

Of course we have had no explanation for this.

The only logical answer to this is that after someone uses Susanoo, they can use it again without accessing the Mangekyou Sharingan.

The manga never stated explicitly and clearly , that Susanoo required the usage of the MS. Rather it stated that Susanoo is the third technique MS users obtain after Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

Looking Japanese Mythology into the equation,[from where Kishi took inspiration], we can argue that Susano does not require any eye techniques .

Please read the following

Wikipedia Page:

All three were born from Izanagi, when he washed his face clean of the pollutants of Yomi, the underworld. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susanoo from the washing of the nose.

Theory:

Kishi related that Susaanoo is not relying on the eyes because, Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu comes from the eyes, whereas Susanoo comes from the nose, so one does not need eyes to use Susanoo.

Proof:

Itachi did not have MS activated once when accessing it :
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In Chapter 578, Itachi then goes on to access his MS when he needs it

Thus I argue MS isn't required to use Susanoo.

Also, when Madara fights the five kages and has both Rinnegan, he is also able to use Susanoo.


The only counter argument is that it was a drawing error, which is common from Kishi, so it can be just an error

what do you guys think
 
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I can agree. I think same but them arises 1 quetsion
and that s

If its not require MS to use it after you have awakend Susano then why overuse of susano costs blindness?
 

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I can agree. I think same but them arises 1 quetsion
and that s

If its not require MS to use it after you have awakend Susano then why overuse of susano costs blindness?
Not susaanoo directly, but the MS, just getting the MS means you are slowly going blind, constantly using it means you speed it up:

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I can agree. I think same but them arises 1 quetsion
and that s

If its not require MS to use it after you have awakend Susano then why overuse of susano costs blindness?
this is best question.!!

cause im pretty sure sasuke lost his eye sight while using susanoo against Kakashi and Naruto.!!

it has to be a plothole now.!!
 

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Not susaanoo directly, but the MS, just getting the MS means you are slowly going blind, constantly using it means you speed it up:

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I see . Susano is awakend due to MS . So I guess if your using susano you would face same disadvantages as MS like blindness
 

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i think it's related to the chakra that sprouts in a uchiha's brain
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because the more hatred sasuke got the bigger susano'o got
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that's why madara said he had the power of senju and uchiha when he didn't have his eyes because he still has that chakra
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sasuke started using it all up against kakashi
sasuke's blind because he used it all;madara was blind because he didn't have his eyes
susano'o is a rarity to awaken in a uchiha
 

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this is best question.!!

cause im pretty sure sasuke lost his eye sight while using susanoo against Kakashi and Naruto.!!

it has to be a plothole now.!!
it is a great question, one we all have, i addressed it a couple posts up

btw Sasuke used Amaterasu and Genjutsu on multiple occasions against the following prior to Kakashi:

Genjutsu: Shi, Danzo
Amaterasu: Raikage x 2 plus made a wall around himself , Danzo
 

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i think it's related to the chakra that sprouts in a uchiha's brain
You must be registered for see images
because the more hatred sasuke got the bigger susano'o got
You must be registered for see images
that's why madara said he had the power of senju and uchiha when he didn't have his eyes because he still has that chakra
You must be registered for see images
sasuke started using it all up against kakashi
sasuke's blind because he used it all;madara was blind because he didn't have his eyes
susano'o is a rarity to awaken in a uchiha
that's what i said, chakra to the brain
 

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i think it's related to the chakra that sprouts in a uchiha's brain
You must be registered for see images
because the more hatred sasuke got the bigger susano'o got
You must be registered for see images
that's why madara said he had the power of senju and uchiha when he didn't have his eyes because he still has that chakra
You must be registered for see images
sasuke started using it all up against kakashi
sasuke's blind because he used it all;madara was blind because he didn't have his eyes
susano'o is a rarity to awaken in a uchiha
Another possibility also
 

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I see . Susano is awakend due to MS . So I guess if your using susano you would face same disadvantages as MS like blindness
Exactly

A better question would be not him awakening it, but how he fought blind.

I answered this in another thread, and related it to his use of Hashirama's sage chakra to sense those around him

Similar to how Naruto killed that pain in the darkness of Gamabunta's mouth
 

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this is best question.!!

cause im pretty sure sasuke lost his eye sight while using susanoo against Kakashi and Naruto.!!

it has to be a plothole now.!!
thanks . Actully I came with same solution as OP in case of Madara but then this question it bothers me a lot.

Exactly

A better question would be not him awakening it, but how he fought blind.

I answered this in another thread, and related it to his use of Hashirama's sage chakra to sense those around him

Similar to how Naruto killed that pain in the darkness of Gamabunta's mouth
hmmm,, Well its true that he was able to fight blind bcoz of Hashi's DNA and SM
 
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it is a great question, one we all have, i addressed it a couple posts up

btw Sasuke used Amaterasu and Genjutsu on multiple occasions against the following prior to Kakashi:

Genjutsu: Shi, Danzo
Amaterasu: Raikage x 2 plus made a wall around himself , Danzo
during the fight with Naruto and Kakashi, sasuke still had his eye sight intact.!!

so if what you are saying is right, and susanoo and sharingan dont share any connection after unlocking then,
sasuke shouldnt lose his eye sight.!!

it doesnt matter how many times he used his MS tech previously.!!

since in the fight with Naruto and Kakashi, sasuke never actually used any MS tech.!!

so his eye sight should be in his previously set standard and shouldnot lose sight.!!
 
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