I find all this funny talking about borrowed power why isn't anyone complaining about Hashirama taking the Kyuubi from Madara?
Hashirama never used Kurama. Kurama was sealed in his wife, Mito. She would have used Kurama not Hashirama
Uchiha clan have produced more capable figters then senju.
2 EMS users. Kamui koto tsuki spiritual items.
Top 5 uchihas solo top 5 of the world making them undisputably strongest clan
Madara Uchiaha-Soloed by Hashirama
Izuna Uchiha- Soloed by Tobirama
Itachi and Sasuke- Would have lost to Kabuto had he been trying to kill them. He could have just undone edo Tensei and released Itachi, and then Sasuke would have had to contend with him alone and would have died doing so. (it's debatible I know, but most likely this would have been the outcome)
The Uchiha clan submitted to Hashiarama's will and joined Kanoha because they feared being wiped out. Madara is the only one who stood his ground in this. The last fight the Senju had ended in Madara's AND his clan's defeat.
And the top 5 Uchiha you just mentioned are the only Uchiha left in their clan. If you ask me they aren't as top tier as you would have everyone believe.
Shit , this argument is . Use the Kyuubi in VOTE battle , Madara did . Not Hashirama .
Seal away the Kyuubi , Hashirama did . Use the Kyuubi , Hashirama never did .
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Obito become this strong because Madara saved his little life, taught him everything, and Itachi who didn't kill Obito because Plot.
But agreed about Madara, the guy just did it all by himself and the knowledge he gathered for years.
Because Hashirama's cell didn't have anything to do with his awakening of the Rinnegan, or controlling the juubi, and, of course he didn't steal Hashirama's Sage Mode before fighting the 9 bijuu. No it was all Uchiha power, right?
this guy is to funny to argue with lmao
True, but his points are still valid.