Madara is to Obito as Yahiko was to Nagato

[Floydical]

We all know that in this week's chapter, Obito showed that he's been totally converted by Madara and has essentially taken on his will and every negative aspect of his personality:

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But we also saw a greater glimpse into Yahiko's character and his beliefs. Essentially, we were told that all of Nagato's beliefs about teaching the world about pain and understanding eachother was really Yahiko's belief, not Nagato's. I was under the impression to a long time that Nagato thought like he did simply as a result of loosing Yahiko. I thought he only acted like that because he was bitter about loosing his friend and wanted other people to feel the same thing. Now I see that after loosing Yahiko, while he did join Tobi/ Obito, Nagato still lived to carry on the will of his friend and adopted Yahiko's ideology as his own.

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I looked back and realized Yahiko stated things like this in the past, but I didn't notice it as well as I did this chapter:

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So the meaning of this thread is to show how Nagato took on the will and ideology of Yahiko in a very similar way to Obito taking on Madara's will. The only difference is that Obito assumed Madara's identity while Nagato kept his friend's will alive in more than one way, namely carrying on his ideals while talking through his controlled body.

What do you guys think?

 

[Mizukata]

ok!so Kakashi,with the loss of Obito and Rin,became Obito. Obito himself became Madara due the loss of Rin and the slaughter of kirigakure anbu by his own hands.
that makes sense actually...too.
~i guess you are correct then...props to you

 

[WoodDragon]

Yep,you are correct.He followed his ideology until his fight against Naruto.Then he got talk-no-jutsued xD.

 

[TheWillofFire]

I do not believe Nagato carried the SAME will as Yahiko's.
Of course both wills were AIMed at PEACE but Yahiko's method was always the true (correct way)
then Madara came into the picture and misrepresented the ideology of what Yahiko has done and took it to his advantage to do what "Yahiko" was talkin about, but Yahiko was clearly SHUT DOWN by madara saying "People understanding each other is impossible in this World"
That ticked off Yahiko and he LEFT right away, meaning Yahiko didn't share the same will as Tobi's.
It was not until Yahiko's death that Nagato could have the same will as Tobi for what Yahiko was always saying, although misrepresented.
If Yahiko was still alive, he would NOT AGREE to the Bijuu capturing of the Shinobi World, that is just who Yahiko is. Nagato doing that is a way to show that he doesn't carry Yahiko's "right" will, rather tobi's "right" will

 

[Chief Toad]

Just like Naruto took on J-Man's ideology.

 

[Narukarin16]

Obito is actually worst than madara, he doesn't care anymore as you can tell from his attack on his sensei. dude is heartless while madara wants to create a perfect world

 

[TheWillofFire]

Just like Naruto took on J-Man's ideology.

Eventually Nagato's ture ideology was J-man's ideology, and funny enough J-man's ideology was a result from Nagato making J-man believe that will, with that book and all.

But yea J-man and his 3 disciples all carried the same will to peace in the end

 

[Floydical]

Yep,you are correct.He followed his ideology until his fight against Naruto.Then he got talk-no-jutsued xD.

Heh heh, that very well might happen .

I do not believe Nagato carried the SAME will as Yahiko's.
Of course both wills were AIMed at PEACE but Yahiko's method was always the true (correct way)
then Madara came into the picture and misrepresented the ideology of what Yahiko has done and took it to his advantage to do what "Yahiko" was talkin about, but Yahiko was clearly SHUT DOWN by madara saying "People understanding each other is impossible in this World"
That ticked off Yahiko and he LEFT right away, meaning Yahiko didn't share the same will as Tobi's.
It was not until Yahiko's death that Nagato could have the same will as Tobi for what Yahiko was always saying, although misrepresented.
If Yahiko was still alive, he would NOT AGREE to the Bijuu capturing of the Shinobi World, that is just who Yahiko is. Nagato doing that is a way to show that he doesn't carry Yahiko's "right" will, rather tobi's "right" will

Of course Yahiko would not have agreed to the Biju capturing, but Nagato still carried the same original will that Yahiko had. With the influence of Tobi, Nagato simply came to the conclusion that the only way he could accomplish that will was to go extreme. Again, I know Yahiko would not have done what Nagato did if he survived, but Nagato's current ideology is clearly that of Yahiko's, just like Obito's is the same as Madara's.

 

[TheWillofFire]

Sure Nagato had the same "ideology" as Yahiko, but Nagato did not have the same "will" as Yahiko, for Yahiko wouldn't of done those things.
Obito on the other hand actually has Madara's "will" and did everything he did based off of Madara's mind.
Nagato did not do anything based off Yahiko's "right will" just ideology.
So that's why I say they are not the same when compared to Obito and Nagato, Obito is ACTUALLY madara's WILL. Nagato has Yahiko's ideology, NOT Yahiko's will

Of course when he met Naruto that changed, then that became the same "will" of Yahiko, to die for peace, just as Yahiko did.

 

['Nāpalm]

this always crossed my mind, Obito, Yahiko, Naruto all appear to have the same personalities

 

[TheWillofFire]

Yea I always felt like if Naruto had Orange hair, he woulda looked like Yahiko haha