Madara is not > FTG

illidanson

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As retarded as it sounds its true.

... If you're telling me that what you said earlier is true. Then you must be pretty damn stupid to still think that after me explaining everything and making it painfully obvious that you're wrong.

But if you're telling me that what I'm saying is true.... Then I'm glad you finally came to your senses :D
 

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FTG can only be countered with extreme reaction times and speed to match.

FTG would be uncounterable if the user would teleport and have their weapon stuck in the enemy as soon as they appear, or have their justu hit the enemy as soon as they appear, but that is not how it has been shown to work in the manga.

The user has always been shown to appear near their target and than have to make additional movements to attack or defend giving their target the same opperatunity to do the same.
 

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... If you're telling me that what you said earlier is true. Then you must be pretty damn stupid to still think that after me explaining everything and making it painfully obvious that you're wrong.

But if you're telling me that what I'm saying is true.... Then I'm glad you finally came to your senses :D

Look up speed in the data book. It's the swiftness of their movements and their reaction time.
Nothing is swifter than instant and in order to use ftg to the fullest (or any st tech for that matter) you need the best reactions. Or you'd end up like obito(on multiple occasions)

You can break it down further(I.e. foot speed, reaction speed, no argumentations etc) but it all still falls under the umbrella that nv calls "speed"
 

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FTG can only be countered with extreme reaction times and speed to match.

FTG would be uncounterable if the user would teleport and have their weapon stuck in the enemy as soon as they appear, or have their justu hit the enemy as soon as they appear, but that is not how it has been shown to work in the manga.

The user has always been shown to appear near their target and than have to make additional movements to attack or defend giving their target the same opperatunity to do the same.

Exactly. Shelke doesn't get that.

And that extra movement is dependant on the user.
Tobirama taking two panels to do things while minato takes one.
 

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why is everyone always commenting how Bee countered Minato? :| how they stalemated each other..

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Minato only had to put that kunai in Bee's neck and it was sayonara for Bee.
Bee had nothing on him , lol at people thinking he could actually do something, i'm not sure how some people's motoric works but when I put my arm like that I can hardly move more backwards let alone put any force in it.

Minato spared Bee his life, and himself a 2 millimeter deep wound.
 
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He was already ordered to leave. And already planned on leaving. There was nothing stopping him from stabbing bee but since he's following orders he didn't.
Ay even said in the many times they fought they weren't even able to touch him. Yet you think be really had a chance?
He didn't even attack, he threatened bee and forced ay in a position to stand down since obviously ay wasn't listening to him.

It doesn't matter. According to you decent reflexes is reflexes equal to or greater than that of a sane juubito.

Bee reacted and had a sword pointed at his stomach - Case closed. Your repeated denials are getting far too ridiculous now. FTG was intercepted with good reflexes. That's a fact.

No, that must be your own interpretation as Jubito tanked Minato's FTG and ***** slapped him into a wheel chair. No one is talking about Juubito here, only Bee. Stay on the topic or don't reply.
 

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Look up speed in the data book. It's the swiftness of their movements and their reaction time.
Nothing is swifter than instant and in order to use ftg to the fullest (or any st tech for that matter) you need the best reactions. Or you'd end up like obito(on multiple occasions)

You can break it down further(I.e. foot speed, reaction speed, no argumentations etc) but it all still falls under the umbrella that nv calls "speed"

Well it depends on what you mean by "movement", it has more than one meaning.
Teleportation isn't movement if we look at it's classic meaning, which is moving from one place to another, since it's just disappearing somewhere and reappearing somewhere else, there's technically no movement.
But if we look at movement as simply getting to someplace, with the means not really mattering, then sure, then Teleportation is the swiftest way to "move" there.
Reaction time is irrelevant for this particular discussion, since it has nothing to do with moving or teleporting.

But even if we look at movement that way, that would still mean that it is the term "speed" that is different in the NV, not the physics.
As long as we can agree that teleportation is not speed as we know it (Despite whatever NV's term "speed" may be), then it's fine.
 
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