[Discussion] Luffy's time limit in G4

[Valhalla]

I am posting this because I feel like it warranted it considering that there is some confusion as to just how long Luffy sustained his G4 form, when he fought against Doflamingo....

Chapter 783 - Doflamingo tells Luffy about the one hour time limit, and explicitly states that after 30 minutes, the Birdcage is going to start "Killing people"

Quote : "Within 30 minutes the dead will begin to amount somewhere or another"

Immediately afterwards, Luffy enters into G4 mode....

Chapter 784: We get a few pages of whats going on around Dressrosa, and the rest of the chapter is Luffy going beast mode in G4....

Chapter 785: On the 8th pages of the chapter, we get to the scene where it says "20 minutes after, and in that first panel, someone is yelling "Watch out, it cuts" <-----This indicates the Birdcage has started cutting people down....

That entire page coincides with what Doflamingo stated during chapter 783, when he said, "After 30 minutes, the dead will begin to amount somewhere or another"

So this is the breakdown.... From the time Luffy first went into G4 mode, to the time that Doflamingo revealed awakening, 10 minutes had passed. Then we get a little bubble that says "20 Minutes after" and the scene that takes place is that of the people of Dressrosa are starting to get cut down. That is the 30 minute Marker Doflamingo was speaking of in Chapter 783....

Chapter 786 - Luffy and Doflamingo continue to fight for a awhile, and after Luffy depletes all of his Haki, he then tells Gats he will need 10 minutes to recover enough for a final attack, but there is only 9 minutes left until the Birdcage kills everyone on Dressrosa.... We know this because....

(Remember, the time frame from when Luffy first entered into G4, till when the Birdcage was going to kill everyone on the Island, was one hour)

Chapter 787 - At the end of the Chapter it says there is only 3 minutes left until the Birdcage Kills everyone on the Island, and there is 4 minutes left until Luffy recovers his Haki. So that means there is a minute difference between the time Luffy stopped being in G4, and the time it will take for the Birdcage to kill everyone on the Island. 9 Minutes until the Birdcage kills everyone, and 10 minutes until Luffy recovers his haki. That means Luffy spent 51 minutes in G4 mode... (Keep in mind Luffy was not at 100 percent)

Luffy enters into G4 mode when Doflamingo says "In one hour everyone on Dressrosa will be killed"

Luffy exits G4 Mode 9 minutes before everyone on Dressrosa in about to be killed

Therefore 51 minutes have passed since Luffy entered G4 mode, and when it wore off....

 

[Punk Hazard]

Aren't those last three paragraphs all you needed to say?
Still not enough time to defeat an almost dead Doffy. Cant rip off the Diff Doff.

 

[Haywood Jablomi]

Thank you for the thread. Thought it was very interesting

 

[BaseGodNaruto]

Shows hes strong enough too defeat Doflamingo but not strong enough to finish it in that much little of time. Error on Oda Part I guess he didn't want too show oh new gear Solo Doflamingo lets wait for next gear. When gears were previous introduced they had a drawback so does this one and in time he will master it.

When has Luffy ever defeated an Opponent without a couple tries the Gods favor Luffy

 

[WhistleBlower]

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[Rιver]

Full powered Doflamingo would have won mid-high diff.

 

[OG sama]

Still changes nothing, Doffy still got his ass handed to him and was getting owned for 51 minutes. He never had the upper hand until it ran out.

Not that any of that is going to matter, considering the next time Luffy uses G4 the time and its power will be even greater than it was on dressrosa.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Does it matter? Luffy couldn't take out of a half-dead Doflamingo before it wore off.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Aren't those last three paragraphs all you needed to say?
Still not enough time to defeat an almost dead Doffy. Cant rip off the Diff Doff.

That last line made me think I can't believe no one's made a Doff Ziggler connection, the blond hair, the pink clothes, the charisma. Doff Ziggler should be a thing.

 

[OG sama]

Does it matter? Luffy couldn't take out of a half-dead Doflamingo before it wore off.

He wasn't half dead, that half dead crap is made up.

If GK never was shown on panel you wouldn't have even noticed a difference in Doffys health. The guy got hit with GK and got up almost as fast as he was hit, moved around like nothing happened, you call that half dead?

 

[Punk Hazard]

He wasn't half dead, that half dead crap is made up.

If GK never was shown on panel you wouldn't have even noticed a difference in Doffys health. The guy got hit with GK and got up almost as fast as he was hit, moved around like nothing happened, you call that half dead?

Mfw getting your organs destroyed and almost dying isn't less than half your health

That last line made me think I can't believe no one's made a Doff Ziggler connection, the blond hair, the pink clothes, the charisma. Doff Ziggler should be a thing.

I've always thought Dolph could play him in real life.

 

[OG sama]

Mfw getting your organs destroyed and almost dying isn't less than half your health.

His organs were stitched together, they weren't destroyed. And really? He was half dead but yet gets up a page or two later and acts like nothing happened.

Not denying he was weakened but he wasn't half dead, just goes to show you how insane his durability is to get up and shrug it off like it never happened mere seconds later.

 

[Punk Hazard]

His organs were stitched together, they weren't destroyed. And really? He was half dead but yet gets up a page or two later and acts like nothing happened.

Not denying he was weakened but he wasn't half dead, just goes to show you how insane his durability is to get up and shrug it off like it never happened mere seconds later.

Mfw stiched together still means destroyed

Mfw he went from swatting away Jet attacks to being surprised by them

Mfw he almost died and said he didn't heal, so that means no damage reversal

Mfw he went from countering Admiral level attacks to falling to Luffy

Mfw he went from disabling Jozu to being broken out of by Luffy

 

[OG sama]

Mfw stiched together still means destroyed

Mfw he went from swatting away Jet attacks to being surprised by them

Mfw he almost died and said he didn't heal, so that means no damage reversal

Mfw he went from countering Admiral level attacks to falling to Luffy

Mfw he went from disabling Jozu to being broken out of by Luffy

How can you stitch something that's destroyed? Try again.

You mean that clone, who later got took out by a jet gatling? Hardly reliable.

Stitch them together and got up and acted like it never happened, it obviously didn't damage him as much as you think.

Fuji blocked a kick from Doffy and that was it. Law stopped that meteor as well, no reason G4 Luffy couldn't do the same.

Health had nothing to do with the power of his strings, saying there weaker because Luffy of all people broke out is a weak argument, jozu wasn't trapped for long so its not unreasonable to think Luffy is just that strong.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How can you stitch something that's destroyed? Try again.

You mean that clone, who later got took out by a jet gatling? Hardly reliable.

Stitch them together and got up and acted like it never happened, it obviously didn't damage him as much as you think.

Fuji blocked a kick from Doffy and that was it.

Health had nothing to do with the power of his strings, saying there weaker because Luffy of all people broke out is a weak argument, jozu wasn't trapped for long so its not unreasonable to think Luffy is just that strong.

...how do you stitch something back together if it wasn't torn apart in the first place?

It still shows an inferior clone could deflect a Jet attack, while Doffy couldn't react to a similar Jet Attack until it was at his chest. What other explanation for that is there?

I'm talking about Kuzan freezing him.

Yeah no, he still almost died. He's not acting as though nothing happened, he just has great pain tolerance.

Jozu was trapped for about the same time as Luffy brah

 

[ssjelf]

Mfw stiched together still means destroyed

Mfw he went from swatting away Jet attacks to being surprised by them

Mfw he almost died and said he didn't heal, so that means no damage reversal

Mfw he went from countering Admiral level attacks to falling to Luffy

Mfw he went from disabling Jozu to being broken out of by Luffy

The damage from cutting up someones organs comes from organ failure and blood loss. By stitching them together he has effectively received medical treatment and is no longer bleeding and his organs are working again. It may have been half his health prior to stitching them up, but after stitching them he should have little damage. They may not be working 100% but it was not half his health. It definitely weakened him and kept him from being at full power but it didnt do half the damage needed to beat doffy. \

How is a red hawk + gamma knife + counter shock = king kong gun + kong gun + rhino shnieder + Culverin + Leo bazooka

king kong gun alone is better than gamma knife (considering doffy stiched up the cuts) , leo bazooka is better than counter shock and any one of the others is better than red hawk.

 

[OG sama]

...how do you stitch something back together if it wasn't torn apart in the first place?

It still shows an inferior clone could deflect a Jet attack, while Doffy couldn't react to a similar Jet Attack until it was at his chest. What other explanation for that is there?

I'm talking about Kuzan freezing him.

Yeah no, he still almost died. He's not acting as though nothing happened, he just has great pain tolerance.

Jozu was trapped for about the same time as Luffy brah

That's damage, saying his organs were destroyed is saying that he put an end to its existence, they were still there just damaged.

Doffy blocked that same jet gating attack that took out his clone, and with armament haki to boot. He felt the need to block the attack. But I guess that means nothing, he also moved out the way for hawk gatling.

Yeah one obviously lower end attack from an admiral who wasn't trying to kill him, if that feat was to mean something he would have not gotten hurt period by either Luffy or Law.

Endurance, durability, it doesn't matter that just proves my point, it didn't hurt him enough to say he was half dead.

Jozu no doubt didn't know what the hell was happening to break out of it so quickly, doesn't matter as he still broke out, I don't understand how Luffy breaking out seemingly faster, not that Oda gives a damn, is suppose to make him inferior.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The damage from cutting up someones organs comes from organ failure and blood loss. By stitching them together he has effectively received medical treatment and is no longer bleeding and his organs are working again. It may have been half his health prior to stitching them up, but after stitching them he should have little damage. They may not be working 100% but it was not half his health. It definitely weakened him and kept him from being at full power but it didnt do half the damage needed to beat doffy.

While this would stop Doffy from dying by restoring function, it wouldn't remove the pain caused. It'd just increase it by rapidly piercing through his organs and surrounding tissue and then forcing them to move back into place. Simply stitching it up doesn't heal the wound. A wound is healed when the flesh fuses back together and seals over the cut, that didn't happen, as Doffy explicitly said it's not healing. He probably has to continuously stitch himself up since he moved around a ton afterwards. The pain is also gonna be continuously there.

How is a red hawk + gamma knife + counter shock = king kong gun + kong gun + rhino shnieder + Culverin + Leo bazooka

king kong gun alone is better than gamma knife (considering doffy stiched up the cuts) , leo bazooka is better than counter shock and any one of the others is better than red hawk.

Because Luffy's power is brute strength while Law's is hax. Meaning, Luffy's arsenal and fighting style is set around gradually beating an amount of damage into the opponent over time by continuously attacking them. Law's arsenal and fighting style is set around inflicting that same amount of damage(basically the damage needed to defeat an opponent) as quickly as possible in as few moves as possible because Law can only use a few powers at a time. That's why his DF isn't heavily based on causing pain or doing continuous large scale damage to the area. It's why the effect of GK is so ridiculously high. Luffy doesn't have any techniques that destroy all of the opponent's internal organs(aside from brain obviously). When Luffy finished beating on Doffy for 20-30 minutes, he was momentarily stunned and immobile, but then stitched himself and got back up. The same thing happened with GK. I'd say Luffy did 45, Law did 45, and King Kong Gun delivered the final amount needed to take away enough from that 10% to knock him out without killing him.

 

[ssjelf]

While this would stop Doffy from dying by restoring function, it wouldn't remove the pain caused. It'd just increase it by rapidly piercing through his organs and surrounding tissue and then forcing them to move back into place. Simply stitching it up doesn't heal the wound. A wound is healed when the flesh fuses back together and seals over the cut, that didn't happen, as Doffy explicitly said it's not healing. He probably has to continuously stitch himself up since he moved around a ton afterwards. The pain is also gonna be continuously there.



Because Luffy's power is brute strength while Law's is hax. Meaning, Luffy's arsenal and fighting style is set around gradually beating an amount of damage into the opponent over time by continuously attacking them. Law's arsenal and fighting style is set around inflicting that same amount of damage(basically the damage needed to defeat an opponent) as quickly as possible in as few moves as possible because Law can only use a few powers at a time. That's why his DF isn't heavily based on causing pain or doing continuous large scale damage to the area. It's why the effect of GK is so ridiculously high. Luffy doesn't have any techniques that destroy all of the opponent's internal organs(aside from brain obviously). When Luffy finished beating on Doffy for 20-30 minutes, he was momentarily stunned and immobile, but then stitched himself and got back up. The same thing happened with GK. I'd say Luffy did 45, Law did 45, and King Kong Gun delivered the final amount needed to take away enough from that 10% to knock him out without killing him.

I understand how doffys stitching works. Its just that other than pain and some minor bleeding the damage was mitigated. Doffy was literally on the floor stunned and unable to move and the he got hit by counter shock. But then he got up and was able to fight again. it didn't even leave him stunned for as long as leo bazooka did. The only major thing it contributed was slowing doffy down. I don't think 2 more gamma knifes and counter shocks would have put doffy down if he had time to stitch like he did.

No its rather that laws style focus on surgery techniques which are almost all cutting techniques. Doffy is a good counter to that because he can sticth the cuts. Luffy however focuses on blunt trauma which stitching can't fix. i can't rememeber the last time i was able to stitch a broken bone or a bruise. If enough bruises collect the bleeding begins to become very serious. You can blees without being cut by breaking cells. The organ may still be intact and thus unstichable, but it would still blees (inside itself) due to smashed cells. Eventually an organ will cease to function if anough cells are destroyed like that.

TL;DR gamma knife is countered by doffy because the damage he received was stichable, he doesnt counter luffy because you can't stich blunt trauma. IMO luffy did 65 and law did 35. Gamma knife being the majority of laws damage and king kong gun being about 15% of luffys.

 

[Punk Hazard]

That's damage, saying his organs were destroyed is saying that he put an end to its existence, they were still there just damaged.

Doffy blocked that same jet gating attack that took out his clone, and with armament haki to boot. He felt the need to block the attack. But I guess that means nothing, he also moved out the way for hawk gatling.

Yeah one obviously lower end attack from an admiral who wasn't trying to kill him, if that feat was to mean something he would have not gotten hurt period by either Luffy or Law.

It actually wasn't lower end. Compare it to the attack that defeated Jozu. The ice on their immediate bodies was about the same, but when used on Doffy, it spread across the ground as well. That's an indicator that he used a stronger version of the same attack on Doffy.

Endurance, durability, it doesn't matter that just proves my point, it didn't hurt him enough to say he was half dead.

What do you mean they don't matter?

Jozu no doubt didn't know what the hell was happening to break out of it so quickly, doesn't matter as he still broke out, I dI
on't understand how Luffy breaking out seemingly faster, not that Oda gives a damn, is suppose to make him inferior.

Luffy didn't know either. Neither knew what Parasite really was, but Luffy was able to break out. Either Luffy is stronger or a better fighter than Jozu, or Doffy's strings got weaker.

I understand how doffys stitching works. Its just that other than pain and some minor bleeding the damage was mitigated. Doffy was literally on the floor stunned and unable to move and the he got hit by counter shock. But then he got up and was able to fight again. it didn't even leave him stunned for as long as leo bazooka did. The only major thing it contributed was slowing doffy down. I don't think 2 more gamma knifes and counter shocks would have put doffy down if he had time to stitch like he did.

There really isn't that much difference between the time GK downed him and the time G4 downed him. Counter Shock didn't work on Vergo, Law just used it to make Doffy shut up and die faster, which couldn't happen because he was stitching himself. Two GKs woulda definitely killed him, come on now.

No its rather that laws style focus on surgery techniques which are almost all cutting techniques. Doffy is a good counter to that because he can sticth the cuts. Luffy however focuses on blunt trauma which stitching can't fix. i can't rememeber the last time i was able to stitch a broken bone or a bruise. If enough bruises collect the bleeding begins to become very serious. You can blees without being cut by breaking cells. The organ may still be intact and thus unstichable, but it would still blees (inside itself) due to smashed cells. Eventually an organ will cease to function if anough cells are destroyed like that.

While stitching can't fix broken bones caused by blunt force, Doffy did stitch himself up. It's evident by the fact that afterwards, his hand was on his stomach and there were "Snap" and "Zuzu" speech bubbles directed towards it.

TL;DR gamma knife is countered by doffy because the damage he received was stichable, he doesnt counter luffy because you can't stich blunt trauma. IMO luffy did 65 and law did 35. Gamma knife being the majority of laws damageT and king kong gun being about 15% of luffys.

If they did 35 and 65, Doflaminto would be dead. 45, then 45, 5 make a lot more sense since he's alive and was in the same state after GK and G4 assault.