Lord Gai VS Senju Tsunade

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They call me KingMoron, The retard king with a big ass crown, I'm such a clown, got a big dunce cap on right now, I'll never let another one be more renown for being such a wanker

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Wtf...? Has nothing to do w/ the argument & still doesn't prove your point.



Show me where I ever even said such a thing? & Again, still doesn't prove your point.



Who tf are you even replying to..? Because it sure isn't me...Nothing here has anything to do w/ my point. & Again it doesn't prove yours.



Why are you bringing up points that have nothing to do w/ the argument at hand? For the fourth time, still doesn't prove what you're trying to claim.



Yes he can, based on what was shown in the manga.



Based on zilch, nada, zip, ZERO, nothing but your incessant wank over tsunade



:lmao: Oh boy...coming from the guy who can't even prove a simple point, & has to go beating around the bush because he can't flat out say that he has no evidence. 7th gate releases so much sweat, & so now gai can't use two ATs as a result? What kind of god awful logic is that? Seriously who taught you that using such logic was acceptable..?

Again its been completely portrayed one way. You can't bring up any evidence that he can. Because he simply has never been able to do that. The names have obvious distinctions or else they could be named whatever.

Names go in order and follow through out the day, none of those times come again throughout the day
He has never used hirudora twice
Has never used any tech consecutively
 

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Again its been completely portrayed one way.

Yup, unfortunately you're the one who can't seem to grasp that & thinks it's being portrayed in another way. Oh well, what can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You can't bring up any evidence that he can.

Lmao but I already did. A weak gai using hirudora means a healthy one can use it more than once due to the fact that gai wasn't nearly as physically exhausted after he used one on kisame, not until he deactivated the gates.

Unless you can prove that hirudora isn't based on gai's physical stamina/health then everything you say is nothing but conjecture & assumption, the scans speak for themselves, don't need to show him using it twice to prove that he can.

Because he simply has never been able to do that.

Still appealing to ignorance, argument doesn't hold.

The names have obvious distinctions or else they could be named whatever. Names go in order and follow through out the day, none of those times come again throughout the day

Stop w/ the irrelevant points, doesn't help your case in any way. Actually let me sh*t on this logic real quick, based on the names alone gai has 5 steps to EE, meaning if we go by your logic then gai wouldn't be able to use any previous steps once he performed them already, yet what does he do & ?

Please drop this point, it doesn't help your case at all & in fact makes it look worse..

He has never used hirudora twice

And here we are again, w/ me still waiting for your miracle scan that shows this to be impossible.

Has never used any tech twice consecutively

Irrelevant.
 

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Yup, unfortunately you're the one who can't seem to grasp that & thinks it's being portrayed in another way. Oh well, what can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You are right, when a person uses a technique only once in a specific state, everytime he used it.. then obviously its portrayed as he can use it multiple times. You are right.

Lmao but I already did. A weak gai using hirudora means a healthy one can use it more than once due to the fact that gai wasn't nearly as physically exhausted after he used one on kisame, not until he deactivated the gates.
Hmm, no. His base form has an effect on his 7th gate form? what? Unless Gai broke his arm or got mental damage, his base "low stamina" will not affect his 7th gate Hirudora. He wouldn't be physically exhausted due to the simply fact of all the energy still flowing through him. However, to claim that energy is adequate to create another hirudora will require proof.
Unless you can prove that hirudora isn't based on gai's physical stamina/health then everything you say is nothing but conjecture & assumption, the scans speak for themselves, don't need to show him using it twice to prove that he can.
Hirudora is based on 7th gate's energy. The amount of energy released by the 7th gate, will determine his usage of Hirudora. So far in the manga, hes only been shown able to do it once. This isn't senjutsu chakra that he can gather more of. This is something he has a limit on.



Stop w/ the irrelevant points, doesn't help your case in any way. Actually let me sh*t on this logic real quick, based on the names alone gai has 5 steps to EE, meaning if we go by your logic then gai wouldn't be able to use any previous steps once he performed them already, yet what does he do & ?
You have failed in shitting on his logic. Why? because what he stated were attacks achieveable in different gates. What you showed were steps of one of the attacks that make up the evening elephant. <<< He never talked about the steps in those attacks. He talked about the actual techniques. (but i'm not gonna argue on this, just wanted to point out you didn't shit on his logic)

Please drop this point, it doesn't help your case at all & in fact makes it look worse..
And here we are again, w/ me still waiting for your miracle scan that shows this to be impossible.
1 issue you are trying to claim you are the right one, however you have 0 valid scan to prove it. You can't prove someone wrong when all you can rely on is "he looked healthy" or talk about his base stamina (nothing to do with the energy from the 7th gate)

Lets say SM was limited like the energy of the 7th gate. Hashirama summons the buddha, and uses it.. he gets off of it perfectly fine. You gonna claim he can do it again because he looked healthy? Because that is a baseless assumption you would be making
 

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Hang on, I'm perplexed.

Gai explains Hirudora as a simple fast punch. The technique in the Databook is described as not using any Chakra. But he can't use it more than once, why? The real question is, what is stopping him from not using it more than a bunch of times. What is exactly in the mechanics of Hirudora that makes Gai only able to use it once or it tires him out? Is it the pain of throwing a punch that he can only do it once? He executed Night Gai perfectly in an ash state. What is it? Doesn't use Chakra, doesn't cause him pain. Even the Hachibi said Gai used Hirudora whilst he was at his limit [ ]. So obviously the technique does not need that much to execute.

You ask for evidence saying "Where has Gai used the Hirudora technique more than once." Can you show me evidence why he can't use it more than once? Because I can show you the opposite.

I can show you Gai using Hirudora in a beaten, bloodied, exhausted state, and once after Lee needed to carry him and saving Kakashi. But best of all, I can show you Gai using the much more taxing and self-damaging 8th Gate, and getting away with a number of higher level techniques executed to perfection; even after seeing Lee needing to carry him. Only the second gate has been proven to boost your stamina, that's it. The other Gates only allow you to unlock your inner-potential further until the last Gate. You are literally making things up when evidence, manga panels, are stacked against you.

I can't actually show you Gai using Hirudora or Morning Peacock more than once in a Gated state, because that's all he has needed to defeat his enemies. Portrayal wise, all his techniques are described in the Databook as killing techniques, Morning Peacock and Hirudora. Tsunade can heal, but lets see her revive her self, because death is all that awaits, no room for regeneration. Gai already killed Kisame with Morning Peacock, a 30% Chakra duplicate, no evidence suggesting his durability was affected. The technique Nagato used allowed even a double to have the Sharingan, a complex Kekkei Genkai, to be copied. And you are going to tell me the technique could not duplicate durability, even when it duplicates speed, skill and technique. You know what, even Kisame himself, the enemy, stated the technique "destroys the target" on impact. So I doubt Morning Peacock is out of Tsunade's level of durability to not die from, especially when she took more than about 3 pages to completely heal a stab wound from a Sasuno sword that only needed a a small cluster of cells to be regenerated [the walls of the wounds innards closing in from either side].

I'm talking about all that heat and power that evaporated an entire Tsunami of water, directed, centralized, right to the head of Tsunade. Tell me Tsunade can tank that, and Hirudora, and another set of moves. Tsunade does not have more moisture than the Tsunami wave of water that dwarfed Gai. Tsunade is going to be knocked unconscious, and die from brain damage since a large cluster of brain cells would have been destroyed.

Note: If I have triple posted three times, my apologies, the forum is bugging out on me. I can only see I have posted once.
 
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Hang on, I'm perplexed.

Gai explains Hirudora as a simple fast punch. The technique in the Databook is described as not using any Chakra. But he can't use it more than once, why? The real question is, what is stopping him from not using it more than a bunch of times. What is exactly in the mechanics of Hirudora that makes Gai only able to use it once or it tires him out? Is it the pain of throwing a punch that he can only do it once? He executed Night Gai perfectly in an ash state. What is it? Doesn't use Chakra, doesn't cause him pain. Even the Hachibi said Gai used Hirudora whilst he was at his limit [ ]. So obviously the technique does not need that much to execute.

You ask for evidence saying "Where has Gai used the Hirudora technique more than once." Can you show me evidence why he can't use it more than once? Because I can show you the opposite.

I can show you Gai using Hirudora in a beaten, bloodied, exhausted state, and once after Lee needed to carry him and saving Kakashi. But best of all, I can show you Gai using the much more taxing and self-damaging 8th Gate, and getting away with a number of higher level techniques executed to perfection; even after seeing Lee needing to carry him. Only the second gate has been proven to boost your stamina, that's it. The other Gates only allow you to unlock your inner-potential further until the last Gate. You are literally making things up when evidence, manga panels, are stacked against you.

I can't actually show you Gai using Hirudora or Morning Peacock more than once in a Gated state, because that's all he has needed to defeat his enemies. Portrayal wise, all his techniques are described in the Databook as killing techniques, Morning Peacock and Hirudora. Tsunade can heal, but lets see her revive her self, because death is all that awaits, no room for regeneration. Gai already killed Kisame with Morning Peacock, a 30% Chakra duplicate, no evidence suggesting his durability was affected. The technique Nagato used allowed even a double to have the Sharingan, a complex Kekkei Genkai, to be copied. And you are going to tell me the technique could not duplicate durability, even when it duplicates speed, skill and technique. You know what, even Kisame himself, the enemy, stated the technique "destroys the target" on impact. So I doubt Morning Peacock is out of Tsunade's level of durability to not die from, especially when she took more than about 3 pages to completely heal a stab wound from a Sasuno sword that only needed a a small cluster of cells to be regenerated [the walls of the wounds innards closing in from either side].

I'm talking about all that heat and power that evaporated an entire Tsunami of water, directed, centralized, right to the head of Tsunade. Tell me Tsunade can tank that, and Hirudora, and another set of moves. Tsunade does not have more moisture than the Tsunami wave of water that dwarfed Gai. Tsunade is going to be knocked unconscious, and die from brain damage since a large cluster of brain cells would have been destroyed.

Note: If I have triple posted three times, my apologies, the forum is bugging out on me. I can only see I have posted once.

You won't be able to show, where that weakened state has affected the power he recieves from the 7th gate.
 

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Stp replying that clown.

OT: Gai wins with the 7th Gate. The 6th is troublesome but it all depends if Gai's physical attacks are enough to damage her repeatedly which I doubt due to Byakugo being able to heal her every time. She'll outlast him in the event of him not being able to damage her.

Yes ,his kicks and Punches in 6th gate wouldnt be enough to finish Tsunade but i think he still can use ninja shruken or kunai to cut her head off,alright?
 

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there is a lot of unnecessary debating going on for this lol

7G Gai wins decisively
 

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Seriously, Asakujaku followed up by Hirudora ends her.
 

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Yes ,his kicks and Punches in 6th gate wouldnt be enough to finish Tsunade but i think he still can use ninja shruken or kunai to cut her head off,alright?

Yeah but I don't imagine Gai resorting to that method haha.
 
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