Lord Gai VS Senju Tsunade

[Sublime Green Beast]

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Lets ignore this.

This lasted for mere moments.

Seconds later he was fine, and his body wasn't even damaged to the point where touching him would hurt. Kakashi asked Gai was he ok, Gai responded yes.

I'm literally done with this Lol It's hopeless.

 

[RedRobin]

So basically you're telling me that gai can use hirudora no matter the condition, but he can only use one? Well with such a bold assumption I'm going to need you to prove it, because not a single scan or DB entry supports this laughable notion.



Which is false, as shown when gai had enough power to keep kisame suppressed & still had the reactions to blitz him even w/ a single twitch of the finger. Gai was perfectly fine, nothing suggests he was exhausted until after he deactivated the gates.



Then concession accepted unless you can prove that hirudora doesn't rely on gai's physical ability & stamina, which is even more retarded than saying tsunade's striking speed > FTG or whatever kingmoron spouted.

That is exactly the thing. Lee just kept opening up gates, each allowing for him to push his body further, but opening gates and pushing yourself like so rips the muscles apart.

Never has Lee or Gai used Gates techniques consecutively. They have however used different gates consecutively as each allows for the body to be pushed further.

Just because different gates can be used consecutively =/= Gate techniques can be used consecutively

 

[RedRobin]

This lasted for mere moments.

Seconds later he was fine, and his body wasn't even damaged to the point where touching him would hurt. Kakashi asked Gai was he ok, Gai responded yes.

I'm literally done with this Lol It's hopeless.

Yeah but he had the stamina to use Hirduora again right?

 

[Conspirator.]

Show me Gai using Hirudora consecutively and we are done here.

The only thing I see is Gai being super exhausted after he uses it once.

I dont care how many hirudoras he used throughout the entire war because there is no sense of time throughout that whole arc. Naruto and Sasuke fight the whole entire time.

You don't need everything to be spoon fed to you in the manga for you to come to obvious conclusions.
-Gai uses a Hirudora while exhausted against Madara and low on stamina and chakra.
-This implies that a healthy, fully fresh Gai can use multiple Hirudora's of that level if he's at full strength.

Quite simple. Gai wasn't exhausted immediately after using Hirudora on Kisame either.
As for the "blitz" thing? Irrelevant. Even if Gai can't blitz Tsunade from 50m, which is still an erroneous conclusion given how Gai's movement and attack speed combination was able to cause slight discomfort to Juubi jin Madara, and is able to put up her hand and block, she still gets beat down in CQC because her movement speed and taijutsu skill are piss poor in comparison to Gai.

 

[Sublime Green Beast]

Yeah but he had the stamina to use Hirduora again right?

He had the stamina to use Evening Elephant

 

[RedRobin]

He had the stamina to use Evening Elephant

Why dont you understand about that opening a new gate gives him more stamina. Like its not even that hard to understand. He doesnt just pull the 8th gate ability out of his ass.

 

[Sublime Green Beast]

Why dont you understand about that opening a new gate gives him more stamina. Like its not even that hard to understand.

Why don't you understand that the bold is fan-fiction?

Gate two restores stamina.
Gate two restores stamina.
Gate two restores stamina.

No other gate has been indicated to do so.

 

[Draphsin]

That is exactly the thing. Lee just kept opening up gates, each allowing for him to push his body further, but opening gates and pushing yourself like so rips the muscles apart.

Doesn't prove that gai can only use a single hirudora.

Never has Lee or Gai used Gates techniques consecutively.

Classic argument from ignorance. Absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence, just because gai & lee never showed us the use of two consecutive gated attacks doesn't mean they can't do it. You're not going to use a logical fallacy to try & shift the burden of proof onto me, you need to prove that they can't do it.

They have however used different gates consecutively as each allows for the body to be pushed further.

Irrelevant.

Just because different gates can be used consecutively =/= Gate techniques can be used consecutively

Again irrelevant, has nothing to do w/ my argument. This is about gai's condition during his hirudora attacks, which suggests he can pull them off consecutively unless you can prove that hirudora isn't dependent on gai's stamina.

 

[KingHashirama]

So hes gonna pull out Hirudora out of his ass now?

That denial go hard tho.

 

[-Akuma-]

Wow Kishi really has to spoon feed some fans lol

 

[KingHashirama]

Why decide to bring Kishimoto into this, when you ignore all the other things Kishimoto has portrayed. Either use portrayal on an equal basis.. or stick to your argument on feats.

If you cannot show Gai has the capability to use Hirudora twice, then you don't have an argument. If it was something spamable in 7th gate, Gai would've done it.. considering the many times he could've used it. Hes only ever used it once everytime he went 7th gate.

Stay consistent with how you are going to argue, or stop trying to act like you are right bro.

 

[RedRobin]

Exactly if Gai had the possibility to spam Hirudora he would have.

He went 7th gate 3 times and every single time only used Hirudora once. Its not like we saw it once, we saw it 3 times and it was only ever used once. Come on now.

Dont you think if he could he would have spammed Hirudora throughout that Madara and Obito fight. Come on lets be real here.

 

[-Akuma-]

Coming from the guy who usually begs for "feats".. you shouldn't be talking about others getting spoon fed.

Why decide to bring Kishimoto into this, when you ignore all the other things Kishimoto has portrayed. Either use portrayal on an equal basis.. or stick to your argument on feats.

If you cannot show Gai has the capability to use Hirudora twice, then you don't have an argument. If it was something spamable in 7th gate, Gai would've done it.. considering the many times he could've used it. Hes only ever used it once everytime he went 7th gate.

Stay consistent with how you are going to argue, or stop trying to act like you are right bro.

When do I beg got 'feats' I barley post and when I do I don't get into debates with other people expect for that one time with Physco.

Portyal lol, your whole argument basis depends on the gates giving Gai a stamina boost when the manga says only the second gate does. You can't use portyal as an argument when the manga itself is saying you're wrong.

People have pointed out that Gai has used Hirudora while fatigued so if you use your BRAIN it's safe to say he could multiple while fresh.

 

[RedRobin]

When do I beg got 'feats' I barley post and when I do I don't get into debates with other people expect for that one time with Physco.

Portyal lol, your whole argument basis depends on the gates giving Gai a stamina boost when the manga says only the second gate does. You can't use portyal as an argument when the manga itself is saying you're wrong.

People have pointed out that Gai has used Hirudora while fatigued so if you use your BRAIN it's safe to say he could multiple while fresh.

So Gai just pulls all the energy needed to make hirudora out of his ass?

Do you need to be spoon fed to see that each gate level gives the user new amounts of stamina or else they wouldn't be able to do what they do.

 

[Draphsin]

Exactly if Gai had the possibility to spam Hirudora he would have.

Never had to, so he didn't. Simple.

He went 7th gate 3 times and every single time only used Hirudora once. Its not like we saw it once, we saw it 3 times and it was only ever used once. Come on now.

Still doesn't prove your point.

Dont you think if he could he would have spammed Hirudora throughout that Madara and Obito fight. Come on lets be real here.

No, as that's an argument from ignorance. Just because gai never showed us he can do it doesn't mean he can't.

 

[RedRobin]

Never had to, so he didn't. Simple.



Still doesn't prove your point.



No, as that's an argument from ignorance. Just because gai never showed us he can do it doesn't mean he can't.

Morning peacock
Afternoon tiger
Evening Elephant
Night Guy

You see how they all work in order, afternoon doesnt come again. The gates work consecutively, they always have, Guy has never used the 7th gate and then went down to 6th. He has always went higher and higher. Why? Because each gate only allows energy to use that gates techniques once.

Not to mention for the 7th gate releases so much sweat from every inch of the body, do you really think Guy can do that consecutively, no its only allows for that once.

Its all been portrayed one way. Yet you are trying to push it another way.

 

[KingHashirama]

When do I beg got 'feats' I barley post and when I do I don't get into debates with other people expect for that one time with Physco.

Portyal lol, your whole argument basis depends on the gates giving Gai a stamina boost when the manga says only the second gate does. You can't use portyal as an argument when the manga itself is saying you're wrong.

People have pointed out that Gai has used Hirudora while fatigued so if you use your BRAIN it's safe to say he could multiple while fresh.

Ooop, wrong person. You are the guy who goes around with "Salty". My badd


1 issue never used "portrayal" as an argument. Though your claim of him being able to do it relies on the usage of "portrayal".
Do you know the basics of what a gate does? How did a gai who was knocked out, get all fired up and was able to do all those attacks when he opened a new gate?

Gates provide "energy", aka remove the limits on the chakra flow. Do you know what chakra does? Do you know what happens to ninja without chakra?

His 7th gate has only shown to give him the energy to use Hirudora once. Nothing in the manga shows he is capable of doing it again. If he can do it again, why did he not against Edo Madara? Why did he save it until he needed it the most?

Hirudora over and over has been shown to be a 1 time thing. <<<< This is manga.

As far as spoon feeding goes, i'm sure we don't need Kishimoto to come write it for all of you the basics of gates and how they work, in relation to the power of chakra.

 

[Mugen Onsa]

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(I think I love you baby), I think I love you too
I'm here to save you gurl, come be in Mugen's world
I wanna grow together, lets let our love unfurl
You know you want me baby, You know I want you too
They call me MugenOnsa, I'm here to rescue you
I wanna save you gurl, come be in Mugen's world

(Oooh boy, you drive me crazy), ... This Tsunade wank makes me urrrrlll.

 

[KingHashirama]

you need to take lessons. :'(

 

[Draphsin]

Morning peacock
Afternoon tiger
Evening Elephant
Night Guy

You see how they all work in order, afternoon doesnt come again.

Wtf...? Has nothing to do w/ the argument & still doesn't prove your point.

The gates work consecutively, they always have, Guy has never used the 7th gate and then went down to 6th.

Show me where I ever even said such a thing? & Again, still doesn't prove your point.

He has always went higher and higher. Why? Because each gate only allows energy to use that gates techniques once.

Who tf are you even replying to..? Because it sure isn't me...Nothing here has anything to do w/ my point. & Again it doesn't prove yours.

Not to mention for the 7th gate releases so much sweat from every inch of the body.

Why are you bringing up points that have nothing to do w/ the argument at hand? For the fourth time, still doesn't prove what you're trying to claim.

Do you really think Guy can do that consecutively?

Yes he can, based on what was shown in the manga.

No its only allows for that once.

Based on zilch, nada, zip, ZERO, nothing but your incessant wank over tsunade

Its all been portrayed one way. Yet you are trying to push it another way.

Oh boy...coming from the guy who can't even prove a simple point, & has to go beating around the bush because he can't flat out say that he has no evidence. 7th gate releases so much sweat, & so now gai can't use two ATs as a result? What kind of god awful logic is that? Seriously who taught you that using such logic was acceptable..?