LOL @ People trying to make excuses for Yata mirror's power.

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"raikiri can cut through everything"

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"no defense is possible against kamui"

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It does have a weakness. It can be bypassed.
But, the ability of Yata Mirror has been introduced in the manga, reinforced by the data book, and has not been disproved. So until then, Yata Mirror can take any attack.
 

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You are wrong. Kamui is a defence against kamui. Hence the minute Obito blocked kamui with his own kamui, the hype was disproven.

-It's defense...not "defence".
-Saying a tech is it's own weakness...how is this going to exactly apply to the topic of this thread? Is there more than one Yata mirror out there? No, there is not.
 

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lol he's so stiff, it looks like he had a really bad itch, and kinda stiffened up due to the overwhelming pleasure when Minato "hit the spot".

"Oooh, ahhh, ooh, aaaahhhh. So good."
 

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A typical grammar lesson by morons who are losing the argument....... and your point is irrelevant. The databook clearly said there was NO defence against Kamui, and was disproven the moment Obito used his kamui to defend himself when Kakashi attempted to kamui snipe him in the kage summit arc. This already proves that the databook is littered with nothing but hyperboles..

To back up my the point, the kabutowari is said in the databook to "break through any defence" So what happens when the yata mirror and kabutowari meet? It would obviously end in a paradox.(similar to the third raikage incident) As I said, using the no limits fallacy with the yata mirror is stupid.
 
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A typical grammar lesson by morons who are losing the argument....... and your point is irrelevant. The databook clearly said there was NO defense against Kamui, and was disproven the moment Obito used his kamui to defend himself when Kakashi attempted to kamui snipe him in the kage summit arc. This already proves that the databook is littered with nothing but hyperboles..

Am I more than one person? No? Then you should have just called me a moron instead of morons. Thanks for the insult by the way. :win:

Look. No one here is denying that Yata mirror can be bypassed. Just that there is nothing that can yet discredit the fact that it can deflect the attack that is coming in contact with it. Don't really know what's so upsetting about that. The user has been long gone and it hasn't made an appearance since ch 393.

Yeah, kamui can match kamui. Just like I'm sure that another Yata mirror can match another Yata mirror. And an attack that is the equivalent of the other can match it. How does this exactly discredit Yata though? I haven't heard of another Yata mirror out there.
 

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Chie, yes I used a plural, because 99% of the time, people only pick on people's grammar/spelling when they are losing the argument.......and on that point you were wrong as well. "Defense" and "Defence" are practically the same word-it's just that defense is the American variant, whereas British/Australia tend to use defence more.

Second of all, the point is, kamui BLOCKED kamui(as it can be used for both attack and defence). The yata mirror cannot BLOCK the yata mirror, as they are both shields. I can't believe I have to explain it.......
 

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Chie, yes I used a plural, because 99% of the time, people only pick on people's grammar/spelling when they are losing the argument.......and on that point you were wrong as well. "Defense" and "Defence" are practically the same word-it's just that defense is the American variant, whereas British/Australia tend to use defence more.

Second of all, the point is, kamui BLOCKED kamui(as it can be used for both attack and defence). The yata mirror cannot BLOCK the yata mirror, as they are both shields. I can't believe I have to explain it.......

Nice to know. :) Sorry if I came off as a jerk before. I wasn't really being all that serious though about the grammar, you can spell words anyway you want to. I just wanted to see how you'd react. xD

-What do you think will happen if for instance a Yata Mirror collides with it's equivalent? So you don't think that that they'd be even? I don't think one would break, that's for sure.

To back up my the point, the kabutowari is said in the databook to "break through any defence" So what happens when the yata mirror and kabutowari meet? It would obviously end in a paradox.(similar to the third raikage incident) As I said, using the no limits fallacy with the yata mirror is stupid.

On the Kabutowari point, yes this blade that was used by one of the 7 swordsmen of the mist was said to be able to cut through any defense. However, that's not necessarily a paradox and if it collided with Yata it's not quite discrediting the hype for it. Yata mirror changes its properties to match the attack coming at it, so it would be like the Kabutowari blade going against a Kabutowari blade. It would be neutralized.

And as for the 3rd raikage incident, yes only he himself could damage his defense, but that was his own power. I guess this is up to one's point of view. Even though one's own defense may be there weakness at times, because for certain defenses in this series that's the only thing that can match up to it, I wouldn't exactly say that everything stated in the databook about it is bs due to that...it's kind of normal. When something goes up against it's equivalent, it's going to be matched. Or if someone had a defense made by themselves, when they go against there own offense (like in the case of Kakashi vs Obito's kamui) it'll be matched or if someone goes against their defense with their own power (Raikage's defense only penetrated by himself) it'll lose. That's expected. But if you put the 3rd raikage's defense against anything else (bar things that absorb ninjutsu or neutralize it), then it will be fine...hype not quite discredited here.

However, there is not an attack that can go against Yata, nor will there ever be considering its one user is long gone. But once again, that hardly matters. The shield has lost relevance to the series, it can be bypassed, and the one user couldn't hold it up for a long time. I don't see a weakness with the shield, just the user himself.
 
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Nowhere on the scan you posted does it say that raikiri can cut through anything.

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There is no defense possible against kamui. If it's working on you, then either you use FTG, or you're done. However, FTG is not classified as a defense.

then yata's hype of defending against any jutsu is wrong as it cannot do anything against kamui

It does have a weakness. It can be bypassed.
But, the ability of Yata Mirror has been introduced in the manga, reinforced by the data book, and has not been disproved. So until then, Yata Mirror can take any attack.

chiyo's shield was said to repel everything, therefore it repels everything until shown otherwise
 

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then yata's hype of defending against any jutsu is wrong as it cannot do anything against kamui

I was wrong. Thanks for pointing that out. :)

But maybe it can cut through anything. It has yet to be discredited. :hint: No, jk.

Yata is stated to defend against all attacks...not all jutsus.

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Technically, kamui isn't really an attack, the user is just phasing through and not actually making contact, or sending something to the other dimension. Therefore, hype not discredited. :) Since kamui doesn't really touch the shield, naturally it cannot do anything against it...but that's more bypassing it. Not a fault with the shield itself.
 

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Good thing someone posted the definition of hyperbole in this thread...Lol
 

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The only fact here is that yata can have 50000 panels of feats. People will still desperately wait for 1 panel it falls so they can celebrate that they were right.
 

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I don't see why its not legit.

It's a legendary item, one of the top-tier items in the Naruto Verse. Most people [which isn't a lot] that have heard of it just pass it off as some myth. Nobody even knows how old the items are or how they came to be.

When people say Itachi can beat anyone with Yata Mirror - that's Itachi being overrated, not the Yata Mirror.
 

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What's overrated is Itachi himself. His stamina while alive was shitty so he can't maintain his v4 susanoo with the spiritual items for long,

Actually that argument isn't really worth anything. Itachis illness made him him a lot weaker-according to Obito and Kuro Zetsu. Only medicine prolonged his life. But even then he was able to use the techniques of the Mangekyō Sharingan.
 

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I take it ppl don't know what a hyperbole is.
By databook kakashi had two "unstoppable" attacks

Raikiri that cuts through everything
Kamui that can't be defended against.
 

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"raikiri can cut through everything"

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Raikiri was never stated to be able to cut through everything, it was just stated to have cut through lightning, which is true because it did...
 

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Lol @ People calling it hyperbole, there's no hyperbole, just lack of feats.

However according to the DB & the manga yata has been shown to do everything that they both mentioned.

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It blocked every attack coming it's way, & it changed it's properties.

There's nothing contradicting the statements regarding the yata mirror, if kishi wanted to do so he could have had edo itachi use it so it would break. It's been stated & shown that it can block the incoming attack.
 

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I agree, Yata Mirror is underrated.

I don't think Kamui would work on Yata Mirror though.
 

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Yata mirror in the databooks and manga was stated to change its properties to prepare for any incoming attack.

It's stated Yata mirror can stop anything.


I love how people try to put common sense in to Naruto and say "how can Yata possibly stop this or that.", or "Anyone who says Yata is as good as its stated to be is just an Itachi fan boy".

The burden of proof is on you Yata haters, you have to prove Yata's faults/weakness, otherwise it stands firm, and you have no way of saying it can't stop this or that. Love when people use the manga factually, but at the same time try to take away from it to strengthen their arguments.

Inb4 someone says: Well the manga stated that Hiruzen was the strongest of all hokages. Well the manga disproved that 600 chapters later by showing Hashirama Senju's power + he was the only one going toe to toe with Madara while Hiruzen did nothing.

Yata mirror on the other hand is yet to be disproved. #rantover.

Everything has a weakness.
In the case of Yata mirrow the user should be able to to keep up with the opponent to deflect it, otherwise making it useless.
 

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I have no problem with the mirror itself being able to stop anything, but people overrate it by claiming it can cover susanoo completely. I mean, there's no evidence of that, just a vague statement that it has no physical form. Really, if it was that good, no one could beat Itachi. I mean, that's just overrating to the extreme. "Every jutsu has a weakness"-Itachi. Therefore, Yata mirror has a weakness, but due to not seeing the darn thing much, we don't know what that was.


However, Omnyoudon probably takes it down.
 

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Someone already brought other hypeboles disproving Yata.​
 
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