Learning [Genjutsu] with [Vision]

[Ndlovu]

I am feeling slightly torn between two answers pending on what I have seen but I guess I can only learn from my mistakes =D

Well, personally I would think inserting foreign chakra into your system would be the quickest way to dispel any genjutsu. I don't think in certain situations it's the easiest but I think if done, it is the quickest most natural way as it instantly dispels the genjutsu and requires minimal effort on the users part. Kai requires effort and mental work as it forcefully stops the users chakra flow, it also requires a hand seal and certain genjutsu can prevent you from doing so.
[Insert fight scence between Naruto and Itachi here to enhance reasoning].. U_U

Even in the manga, the preferred method is inserting foreign chakra, in our RP it has been made easier to counter genjutsu but the time taken for inserted foreign chakra dispel is almost effortless and instantaneous. For example, it's not that a Jinchūriki is impervious to genjutsu, but the fact that they posses foreign chakra in them which allows the Bijuu to lightly tap in B's case(In my opinion slightly push their own chakra into the hosts system like what happens when Kurama he takes over Naruto's body in the beginning of the manga.)
This process also seems to have an instantaneous effect, Ha ha I feel like I am beginning to ramble on...

 

[Vision]

go to this link

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then read about layering.

Come back here with a summery and some questions

 

[Ndlovu]

Well; I guess I will quote myself because the assumption was pretty correct, the bold is part of the summery... I will try to make it very summarised but also express my understanding of it simultaneously ..

I have only seen it once. To my knowledge, it is when a user casts a genjutsu on an opponent successfully, then casts another genjutsu onto of it. Creating a layered genjutsu, but the execution of it is very detrimental because the second genjutsu cast must be similar to the first one cast or not interfere with the first ones effect in anyway. (Zero interference) They need to blend correctly, it is a precise and difficult thing to get right. If I am not mistaken it therefore allows you to make a two toned/layered genjutsu with two genjutsu effects working simultaneously as if it is one... ?

When it comes to casting the order and rank in which you decide to layer your genjutsu is just as quintessential as the choice of genjutsu. When it comes to layering genjutsu of different ranks. Layering a lower rank illusion then a higher one causes the higher rank to overtake the first lower illusion negating its effects. Therefore one should always cast the higher ranked genjutsu first for effectiveness. Also when using a genjutsu one has to make sure that they are fully aware of the effects of each genjutsu used. When casting a layered genjutsu timeframe still applies and each genjutsu cast still counts as a move done. If their effects coincide it is a dead give-away and will be broken in seconds wasting two moves and your chakra. The opponent will then counter you and gain advantage with his extra two remaining slots, even worse your layered genjutsu is broken in freeform. You also can't layer two genjutsu of the same rank because they neutralise each other out and force the illusion to end entirely.
While I am on it, breaking a layered genjutsu simply requires countering the highest ranked genjutsu alone. The layering requires less skill then the countering, but we must look at deducing a layered genjutsu because once the genjutsu is locked and the effects of both genjutsu are working simultaneously (Especially if they are flashy) You will have to act natural and almost simultaneously analyse the situation accordingly whilst including normal reactions to each genjutsu. You have to break the highest rank genjutsu of the two to break the layered illusion entirely. Because of timeframe the first genjutsu can be broken within reason before the second one is cast. Um.. I think I got everything without being way too detailed.





Questions: Because it does effect timeframe, can I cast my first lower ranked genjutsu then layer my higher ranked one a few moments later. Therefore the first one would start to work but the second I cast the higher second rank on it would neutralise the first one making it disappear mid illusion . This would give the opponent the sense that the initial genjutsu is over, also making him unaware that the second one has been cast..? (If I am correct, I will then declare this tactic as my own..U_U)

How does knowing which genjutsu to counter not count as "metagaming"? Example: I layer ( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique then layer Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction afterwards. The feathers would seem harmless compared to the snakes crushing you. Therefore logically speaking especially not counting the fact that the opponent doesn't know the technique. He or she would then surely counter the snake instead of the feathers?
I am just curious and this is the time to ask stuff like this..:scorps:

What happens if I layer an A rank and B rank genjutsu and he counters the B rank in freeform? I would surmise the A rank would continue but does the B rank get broken or does it continue?

Why do two genjutsu of the same rank neutralise, does it have to do with quantity of chakra used or is it the potency and frequency of the chakra of the same rank as it oscillates at on the opponents mind that counteract each other?

I don't have to layer both genjutsu in the same turn do I? (Just making sure.)

 

[Vision]

Well; I guess I will quote myself because the assumption was pretty correct, the bold is part of the summery... I will try to make it very summarised but also express my understanding of it simultaneously ..


When it comes to casting the order and rank in which you decide to layer your genjutsu is just as quintessential as the choice of genjutsu. When it comes to layering genjutsu of different ranks. Layering a lower rank illusion then a higher one causes the higher rank to overtake the first lower illusion negating its effects. Therefore one should always cast the higher ranked genjutsu first for effectiveness. Also when using a genjutsu one has to make sure that they are fully aware of the effects of each genjutsu used. When casting a layered genjutsu timeframe still applies and each genjutsu cast still counts as a move done. If their effects coincide it is a dead give-away and will be broken in seconds wasting two moves and your chakra. The opponent will then counter you and gain advantage with his extra two remaining slots, even worse your layered genjutsu is broken in freeform. You also can't layer two genjutsu of the same rank because they neutralise each other out and force the illusion to end entirely.
While I am on it, breaking a layered genjutsu simply requires countering the highest ranked genjutsu alone. The layering requires less skill then the countering, but we must look at deducing a layered genjutsu because once the genjutsu is locked and the effects of both genjutsu are working simultaneously (Especially if they are flashy) You will have to act natural and almost simultaneously analyse the situation accordingly whilst including normal reactions to each genjutsu. You have to break the highest rank genjutsu of the two to break the layered illusion entirely. Because of timeframe the first genjutsu can be broken within reason before the second one is cast. Um.. I think I got everything without being way too detailed.





Questions: Because it does effect timeframe, can I cast my first lower ranked genjutsu then layer my higher ranked one a few moments later. Therefore the first one would start to work but the second I cast the higher second rank on it would neutralise the first one making it disappear mid illusion . This would give the opponent the sense that the initial genjutsu is over, also making him unaware that the second one has been cast..? (If I am correct, I will then declare this tactic as my own..U_U)

It could work and it all depends on the wording and the jutsu's that has been used or going to be used. Mainly i used layering or would use it to mask the small deficiancies of the main genjutsu so that they can not break it. In the customs world, you will not be able to make a genjutsu that is unbreakable. Thus i would like to try to mask my own main genjutsu so that it's harder to break. but thats just me and you finding your own is good

How does knowing which genjutsu to counter not count as "metagaming"? Example: I layer ( Nehan Shōja no Jutsu ) - Temple of Nirvana Technique then layer Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction afterwards. The feathers would seem harmless compared to the snakes crushing you. Therefore logically speaking especially not counting the fact that the opponent doesn't know the technique. He or she would then surely counter the snake instead of the feathers?
I am just curious and this is the time to ask stuff like this..:scorps:

I would just counter the snake ....

What happens if I layer an A rank and B rank genjutsu and he counters the B rank in freeform? I would surmise the A rank would continue but does the B rank get broken or does it continue?

B rank stops and A rank continues

Why do two genjutsu of the same rank neutralise, does it have to do with quantity of chakra used or is it the potency and frequency of the chakra of the same rank as it oscillates at on the opponents mind that counteract each other?

I need clear explanation of this questino... i don't get what you are asking

I don't have to layer both genjutsu in the same turn do I? (Just making sure.)
No you don't.

Check bold please. and then reply back

 

[Ndlovu]

Ahh.. I see, don't worry about the other question. I quickly looked around and found the answer, I think I was either very busy or very tired when I came up with that one..Sorry

I don't think, I have anymore questions...

 

[Vision]

well you sure you dont have anymore questinos???????

 

[Ndlovu]

This is the only layered cannon genjutsu right?

(Magen: Nijū Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu) Demonic Illusion: Double False Surroundings Technique
Type: Supplmentary
Rank: B-Rank
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra: 20
Damage: N/A
Description:
The user will do a sequence of 3 handseals, putting his opponents under a double layered Genjutsu. The user is able to create false surroundings to fool his targets, much like the simpler version of the technique. However, the illusion is in fact layered. If the opponent manages to release the first one, he will then feel the effects of the second illusion. If, for example, the first illusion is that of a desert and the second that of a forest, upon releasing the first one, the opponent will see the desert fade away while the forest appears around him, making him think he dispelled the illusion while in essence he is still caught in one. Each illusion is equivalent to C-Rank and both are cast at the same time. While normal releases will release only one illusion at a time, a strong enough pain or an external source of chakra can dispel both at the same time.

When countering ( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction if one has cleanly identified the snake isn't real and decides to just let then genjutsu run its course what happens to the crushing sensation. Does it subside,does it stay the same because you haven't caused the chakra surge? Once discovered cleanly can you move during it?

Other than that, no I don't think I gave anymore...

 

[Vision]

This is the only layered cannon genjutsu right?

(Magen: Nijū Kokoni Arazu no Jutsu) Demonic Illusion: Double False Surroundings Technique
Type: Supplmentary
Rank: B-Rank
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra: 20
Damage: N/A
Description:
The user will do a sequence of 3 handseals, putting his opponents under a double layered Genjutsu. The user is able to create false surroundings to fool his targets, much like the simpler version of the technique. However, the illusion is in fact layered. If the opponent manages to release the first one, he will then feel the effects of the second illusion. If, for example, the first illusion is that of a desert and the second that of a forest, upon releasing the first one, the opponent will see the desert fade away while the forest appears around him, making him think he dispelled the illusion while in essence he is still caught in one. Each illusion is equivalent to C-Rank and both are cast at the same time. While normal releases will release only one illusion at a time, a strong enough pain or an external source of chakra can dispel both at the same time.

When countering ( Genjutsu: Oshitsubusu Hebi Kubire ) - Illusion Technique: Crushing Snake Constriction if one has cleanly identified the snake isn't real and decides to just let then genjutsu run its course what happens to the crushing sensation. Does it subside,does it stay the same because you haven't caused the chakra surge? Once discovered cleanly can you move during it?

Other than that, no I don't think I gave anymore...

you still have to break the technique. Basically making sure your chakra takes control of you completely. Even if you reconize it, you can't ignore it's effects.

Alright no questions right?

Then we are done here. You have just completed my genjutsu training.

 

[Ndlovu]

Really...? Wow.. I had really gotten so used to this..

Thanks so much for taking the time to teach me genjutsu V-Sensei...

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